so the question i have is about the ruling on the card Mindleecher . the effect states, "Whenever this creature mutates, exile the top card of each opponent's library face down. You may look at and play those cards for as long as they remain exiled." this is the same as cards like, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver and Intet, the Dreamer that state as long as intet is in play you can cast the exiled cards. but i heard that if it leaves play then returns you can't cast any cards previously exiled with it because the game considers it a different intet. the same if you play another copy of it. thus i thought the same ruling should apply for this mindleecher. but my friend is adamant that even if it leaves play and comes back it should still have access to all the past exile targets. and there isn't a ruling on gatherer yet to say otherwise. any ideas?
607. Linked Abilities
607.1. An object may have two abilities printed on it such that one of them causes actions to be taken or
objects or players to be affected and the other one directly refers to those actions, objects, or
players. If so, these two abilities are linked: the second refers only to actions that were taken or
objects or players that were affected by the first, and not by any other ability.
607.2. There are different kinds of linked abilities.
607.2a If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile
one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards
“exiled with [this object],” these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in
the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability.
201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other
objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
403.4. Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield, it becomes a new object and has no relationship to
any previous permanent represented by the same card, except for the cases listed in rule 400.7.
(This is also true for any objects entering any zone.)
Ashiok's reference to cards "exiled with Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver" means only cards exiled by the first ability of that particular Ashiok, not by any ability of something else that maybe also happened to be named Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver.
Intet is covered by these rules:
611.2. A continuous effect may be generated by the resolution of a spell or ability.
611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by
the spell or ability creating it (such as “until end of turn”). If no duration is stated, it lasts until
the end of the game.
201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other
objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
If Intet leaves the battlefield, the duration "for as long as Intet remains on the battlefield" ends. It doesn't restart if some other object named Intet, the Dreamer enters the battlefield.
Mindleecher is covered by this rule:
611.2. A continuous effect may be generated by the resolution of a spell or ability.
611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by
the spell or ability creating it (such as “until end of turn”). If no duration is stated, it lasts until
the end of the game.
The duration "for as long as they remain exiled" does not end early if Mindleecher happens to leave the battlefield, nor would its departure interfere with looking at and playing those cards.
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my friend is adamant that even if it leaves play and comes back it should still have access to all the past exile targets. and there isn't a ruling on gatherer yet to say otherwise. any ideas?
Your friend is partially correct: you do keep access to the exiled cards, even if Mindleecher leaves, and even if it doesn't come back!
Contrary to the other cards you mentioned, Mindleecher's ability cares solely about the exiled cards, and cares nothing about Mindleecher itself.
You'll need to read those cards very carefully to fully grasp their differences!
so by that logic does that mean then that another mind leecher has access to the exile pool created by your other ones? by that i mean if i killed the original and he played/cloned etc another one would he still have access to the pool as long as a mind leecher was on the field or would he have to start another one?
so by that logic does that mean then that another mind leecher has access to the exile pool created by your other ones? by that i mean if i killed the original and he played/cloned etc another one would he still have access to the pool as long as a mind leecher was on the field or would he have to start another one?
No, but that is because Mindleecher doesn't have 'access' to the pile it created at all. Mindleecher creates a single effect that exiles and gives you permission that is indefinite to cast the exiled spell. Notice how Intet says "You may play that card without paying its mana cost for as long as Intet remains on the battlefield" While Ashiok says "Put a creature card with converted mana cost X exiled with Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver onto the battlefield under your control." Both of those limit your access to the cards based on either their presence or them having exiled the card. Mindleecher says "you may look at and play those cards for as long as they remain exiled." It doesn't care about the Mindleecher at all it only cares that the cards are still in exile. So other mindleechers don't have access to the pile made by a mindleecher because no mindleecher has access to a pile made by a mindleecher.
Killing Mindleecher or otherwise removing it from the battlefield does not affect a player's ability to cast the cards exiled previously regardless of whether or not another mindleecher enters play on either side of the field.
You may look at and play those cards even if Mindleecher leaves the battlefield. If another player gains control of Mindleecher, that player can't look at or play the cards, and you still can.
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Ashiok's reference to cards "exiled with Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver" means only cards exiled by the first ability of that particular Ashiok, not by any ability of something else that maybe also happened to be named Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver.
Intet is covered by these rules:
If Intet leaves the battlefield, the duration "for as long as Intet remains on the battlefield" ends. It doesn't restart if some other object named Intet, the Dreamer enters the battlefield.
Mindleecher is covered by this rule:
The duration "for as long as they remain exiled" does not end early if Mindleecher happens to leave the battlefield, nor would its departure interfere with looking at and playing those cards.
Contrary to the other cards you mentioned, Mindleecher's ability cares solely about the exiled cards, and cares nothing about Mindleecher itself.
You'll need to read those cards very carefully to fully grasp their differences!
RULES OF MAGIC :
http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/rules
Killing Mindleecher or otherwise removing it from the battlefield does not affect a player's ability to cast the cards exiled previously regardless of whether or not another mindleecher enters play on either side of the field.