Hello everyone! I am looking to possibly build a Brokkos, Apex of Forever deck at some point in the near future. I am looking to know, in regards with having a mutated creature, how does one go about cloning it? Would it clone the top creature and all mutated abilities, or would it simply clone the top card as I presume it might do?
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As clarified by the release notes for Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths, the characteristics added to a permanent by a mutating creature spell are copiable values, so they can be copied by another object (such as a Clone that enters the battlefield) (C.R. 706.2).
As clarified by the release notes for Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths, the characteristics added to a permanent by a mutating creature spell are copiable values, so they can be copied by another object (such as a Clone that enters the battlefield) (C.R. 706.2).
So it copies the mutated creature(s) and all other added bonuses as a whole?
As clarified by the release notes for Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths, the characteristics added to a permanent by a mutating creature spell are copiable values, so they can be copied by another object (such as a Clone that enters the battlefield) (C.R. 706.2).
So it copies the mutated creature(s) and all other added bonuses as a whole?
If an object becomes a copy of a merged permanent, that object generally acquires the copiable values of that permanent (which in the case of a "mutated" permanent, are generally the characteristics of its topmost component plus the usual [copiable] abilities of its other components). In general, other effects (such as "gets +1/+1" and counters) are not copied this way.
For example, in general, if the "mutated" permanent is made up of Archipelagore on top and Metallic Mimic on the bottom, and a Clone enters the battlefield and the merged permanent is chosen, Clone will become a copy of the merged permanent, such that Clone will have the name Archipelagore, be blue, be a Leviathan creature (and no other card types), be 7/7 (not 2/1), and have Archipelagore's and Metallic Mimic's usual abilities, so that as a result, a creature type is chosen for Clone (C.R. 616.2) and Clone will have that type in addition to its other types, but the existing type chosen for Metallic Mimic, if any, is not reused since it's not the result of a copiable effect (C.R. 706.2, 613.1d).
EDIT (Apr. 27): Correctness edit in view of updated rules with Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths.
Hey all. I have a follow-up question on this topic. Would a Clone also copy the value of the number of times the original creature has mutated? Or is that value set by the number of physical cards stacked under the top card?
Hey all. I have a follow-up question on this topic. Would a Clone also copy the value of the number of times the original creature has mutated? Or is that value set by the number of physical cards stacked under the top card?
The number of times a permanent has mutated is not a copiable value (C.R. 706.2), so that number doesn't carry over to an object that becomes a copy of another object, such as a mutated creature.
The "number of times [a creature] has mutated" is the number of events in which a mutating creature spell merges with that creature (see also C.R. 702.140c-d). It's not necessarily the number of cards and tokens that make up that permanent minus one (consider the case of a melded permanent such as Chittering Host that merges into Archipelagore).
A Clone entering the battlefield hasn't merged with any mutating creature spell, so it hasn't "mutated" yet.
EDIT (Jun. 25): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime.
Hey all. I have a follow-up question on this topic. Would a Clone also copy the value of the number of times the original creature has mutated? Or is that value set by the number of physical cards stacked under the top card?
If I'm not mistaken, the count of number of mutations is "impossible to fake", since those cards will always come into the pile* and stay there so long as the permanent exists. Effectively yes, you can just count the pile.
(It's not technically a pile.)
The Clone neither truly mutated, nor does it have a collection of "merged components".
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So it copies the mutated creature(s) and all other added bonuses as a whole?
For example, in general, if the "mutated" permanent is made up of Archipelagore on top and Metallic Mimic on the bottom, and a Clone enters the battlefield and the merged permanent is chosen, Clone will become a copy of the merged permanent, such that Clone will have the name Archipelagore, be blue, be a Leviathan creature (and no other card types), be 7/7 (not 2/1), and have Archipelagore's and Metallic Mimic's usual abilities, so that as a result, a creature type is chosen for Clone (C.R. 616.2) and Clone will have that type in addition to its other types, but the existing type chosen for Metallic Mimic, if any, is not reused since it's not the result of a copiable effect (C.R. 706.2, 613.1d).
EDIT (Apr. 27): Correctness edit in view of updated rules with Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths.
The "number of times [a creature] has mutated" is the number of events in which a mutating creature spell merges with that creature (see also C.R. 702.140c-d). It's not necessarily the number of cards and tokens that make up that permanent minus one (consider the case of a melded permanent such as Chittering Host that merges into Archipelagore).
A Clone entering the battlefield hasn't merged with any mutating creature spell, so it hasn't "mutated" yet.
EDIT (Jun. 25): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime.
EDIT (Jun. 20): Edited.
If I'm not mistaken, the count of number of mutations is "impossible to fake", since those cards will always come into the pile* and stay there so long as the permanent exists. Effectively yes, you can just count the pile.
(It's not technically a pile.)
The Clone neither truly mutated, nor does it have a collection of "merged components".
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