Hello I have a question as I just cannot seem to find the timing of things. So I recently made Athreos, Shroud-Veiled deck and had a timing question. We ran into a instance last night where one of my opponent played Altered ego targeting my Athreos, Shroud-Veiled and I have enough devotion that it is a creature. At this time I also had Krav, the unredeemed in play and coin counters on all my creatures. My question is can I in response use that sac outlet to sacrifice enough creatures to drop my devotion to below 7 to make his targeting fail or would the last trigger on Athreos, Shroud-Veiled cause my creatures to return to the battlefield before his targeting resolves with Altered ego?
When do the creatures hit the graveyard while the stack is being used and when would the final Athreos, Shroud-Veiled trigger actually trigger with multiple things happening on the stack? Would my only recourse to stop him from copying my Athreos, Shroud-Veiled is to sacrifice him?
First, Altered Ego doesn't target. The choice of what to copy is made as it resolves and you cannot respond to this choice. You won't know what they try to copy until the spell starts to resolving.
If, for some reason, they decide to say what they are copying before it resolves, they are locked into that choice unless you do something. If you do something, like sac a bunch of things, they are no longer bound by that choice.
If you are absolutely sure that Athreos is what they will copy, and all of your stuff you want to sac has Coin counters on them, they will return prior to Altered Ego resolving. Athreos's trigger(s) would go onto the stack on top of whatever is there and would resolve before anything else already there waiting to resolve. So, you sac a creature and it will return with Altered Ego still on the stack, waiting for its turn to resolve.
If the stuff you sac doesn't come back and causes Athreos to no longer be a creature, they can simply choose something else to copy but they can't choose Athreos. If the stuff you sac does come back and is enough to make Athreos a creature still, they are free to still choose Athreos as their creature to copy.
Note, that since the creatures return before Altered Ego resolves, you can simply activate Krav's ability again, sacrificing some of the returned creatures, which then will stay dead, because they have no coins. All players can respond after any single object on the stack resolves, you don't have to wait for everything on the stack to resolve, you can add more in between.
When do the creatures hit the graveyard while the stack is being used and when would the final Athreos, Shroud-Veiled trigger actually trigger with multiple things happening on the stack? Would my only recourse to stop him from copying my Athreos, Shroud-Veiled is to sacrifice him?
Thank you for any and all help.
First, Altered Ego doesn't target. The choice of what to copy is made as it resolves and you cannot respond to this choice. You won't know what they try to copy until the spell starts to resolving.
If, for some reason, they decide to say what they are copying before it resolves, they are locked into that choice unless you do something. If you do something, like sac a bunch of things, they are no longer bound by that choice.
If you are absolutely sure that Athreos is what they will copy, and all of your stuff you want to sac has Coin counters on them, they will return prior to Altered Ego resolving. Athreos's trigger(s) would go onto the stack on top of whatever is there and would resolve before anything else already there waiting to resolve. So, you sac a creature and it will return with Altered Ego still on the stack, waiting for its turn to resolve.
If the stuff you sac doesn't come back and causes Athreos to no longer be a creature, they can simply choose something else to copy but they can't choose Athreos. If the stuff you sac does come back and is enough to make Athreos a creature still, they are free to still choose Athreos as their creature to copy.
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