If a card causes a player to skip a step/phase (such as Yosei, the Morning Star), or causes a permanent to not untap in next untap step (such as Queen of Ice), I presume those effects accumulates?
You are correct, the two work together.
A good example of something similar is Cumulative upkeep with Eon Hub. Since there haven’t been upkeeps, no age counters are added, thus if Hub is destroyed, the permanent with cumulative upkeep would only get one more counter said following upkeep than it had prior to Eon Hub first entering the battlefield.
Depending on what you meant they do not stack. Two "does not untap during the next uptap" effects do NOT stack since the next untap only happens once. Two "skip the next untap" effects DO stack.
Note, that Queen of Ice and similar cards with that wording all only refer to the player's next upkeep, that actually occurs. A creature affected by multiple such effects still only doesn't untap during the next upkeep that player has. Because they all refer to that specific upkeep. They are not cumulative.
So I can't infinite sac Yosei to turn off infinite untap step of the same opponent, eh? Guess that's reasonable.
'skip the next Upkeep' is different from 'no untap during next Upkeep'. Yosei does cumulate. Ice Queen does not.
614.10a (…) If two effects each cause a player to skip their next occurrence, that player must skip the next two; one effect will be satisfied in skipping the first occurrence, while the other will remain until another occurrence can be skipped.
It also is written in Yosei's own rulings : 'If more than one effect instructs a player to skip their next untap step, such as if Yosei dies more than once in a turn, that player skips that many untap steps. This is different from effects that state that something doesn’t untap during an untap step.'
So I can't infinite sac Yosei to turn off infinite untap step of the same opponent, eh? Guess that's reasonable.
'skip the next Upkeep' is different from 'no untap during next Upkeep'. Yosei does cumulate. Ice Queen does not.
614.10a (…) If two effects each cause a player to skip their next occurrence, that player must skip the next two; one effect will be satisfied in skipping the first occurrence, while the other will remain until another occurrence can be skipped.
It also is written in Yosei's own rulings : 'If more than one effect instructs a player to skip their next untap step, such as if Yosei dies more than once in a turn, that player skips that many untap steps. This is different from effects that state that something doesn’t untap during an untap step.'
I see. The original question spawned from me giving Queen of Ice doublestrike, so I wonder if that creature would remain tapped for two turns instead of one.
I see. The original question spawned from me giving Queen of Ice doublestrike, so I wonder if that creature would remain tapped for two turns instead of one.
Queen of Ice: The meaning of "its controller's next untap step" doesn't change between the two effects. During that one step, there will simply be two reasons that the creature doesn't untap. During later steps, the effects are already over.
Yosei: Multiple replacement effects are applied one at a time, and only if the impending event is still relevant.
614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615), replacement effects apply continuously as events happen—they aren’t locked in ahead of time. Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event with a different event. They act like “shields” around whatever they’re affecting.
614.1b Effects that use the word “skip” are replacement effects. These replacement effects use the word “skip” to indicate what events, steps, phases, or turns will be replaced with nothing.
614.10a Anything scheduled for a skipped step, phase, or turn won’t happen. Anything scheduled for the “next” occurrence of something waits for the first occurrence that isn’t skipped. If two effects each cause a player to skip their next occurrence, that player must skip the next two; one effect will be satisfied in skipping the first occurrence, while the other will remain until another occurrence can be skipped.
So, one of the skip effects would wait for the next untap step: "Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Untap step? Bye-bye!"
The other skip effect also waits. "Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Untap step? What untap step? Maybe next turn. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting...."
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A good example of something similar is Cumulative upkeep with Eon Hub. Since there haven’t been upkeeps, no age counters are added, thus if Hub is destroyed, the permanent with cumulative upkeep would only get one more counter said following upkeep than it had prior to Eon Hub first entering the battlefield.
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It also is written in Yosei's own rulings :
'If more than one effect instructs a player to skip their next untap step, such as if Yosei dies more than once in a turn, that player skips that many untap steps. This is different from effects that state that something doesn’t untap during an untap step.'
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I see. The original question spawned from me giving Queen of Ice doublestrike, so I wonder if that creature would remain tapped for two turns instead of one.
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Queen of Ice: The meaning of "its controller's next untap step" doesn't change between the two effects. During that one step, there will simply be two reasons that the creature doesn't untap. During later steps, the effects are already over.
Yosei: Multiple replacement effects are applied one at a time, and only if the impending event is still relevant.
So, one of the skip effects would wait for the next untap step: "Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Untap step? Bye-bye!"
The other skip effect also waits. "Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Untap step? What untap step? Maybe next turn. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting...."