Suppose I cast Intuition or Gifts Ungiven (for completeness sake, the creatures are griselbrand, Elesh Norn, Iona, Shield of Emeria and Wurmcoil Engine) and two cards are hitting the graveyard.
Then I cast Shallow Grave. How do we decide which creature is the top creature in the graveyard?
1) Who decides what is the top creature in the graveyard for Gifts Ungiven or Intuition.
2) If my hand of Griselbrand, Elesh Norn, Iona, Shield of Emeria and Wurmcoil Engine were discarded by a mass discard like Wheel of Fortune. Do I decide which order I stack these creatures in the graveyard?
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If two or more cards would go into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards decides their relative order in that graveyard (C.R. 404.3). This is the case whether they are put into that graveyard from a library (as with Intuition or Gifts Ungiven), from a player's hand (C.R. 701.8b), or otherwise.
I have asked the rules manager whether the "top creature card of your graveyard" in Shallow Grave means the "topmost creature card" in that graveyard, so that the effect works even if the top card of that graveyard isn't a creature card, as long as at least one creature card is there.
I'm actively maintaining a comprehensive article to help explain to new cube players how some complex vintage level cards work in a cube environment. Vintage Cube Cards Explained
Then I cast Shallow Grave. How do we decide which creature is the top creature in the graveyard?
1) Who decides what is the top creature in the graveyard for Gifts Ungiven or Intuition.
2) If my hand of Griselbrand, Elesh Norn, Iona, Shield of Emeria and Wurmcoil Engine were discarded by a mass discard like Wheel of Fortune. Do I decide which order I stack these creatures in the graveyard?
Vintage Cube Cards Explained
Here are some other articles I've written about fine tuning your cube:
1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
Draft my Cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/d8i
I have asked the rules manager whether the "top creature card of your graveyard" in Shallow Grave means the "topmost creature card" in that graveyard, so that the effect works even if the top card of that graveyard isn't a creature card, as long as at least one creature card is there.
Vintage Cube Cards Explained
Here are some other articles I've written about fine tuning your cube:
1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
Draft my Cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/d8i