Returning player trying to understand the nuances of the stack and such.
Just played a game and i declared a 2/1 flying as blocker against a 10/10 flying with trample. After declaring when opponent passed priority, i played bladebrand to give the 2/1 deathtouch, and she responded by playing collision//colossus dealing 6 damage. The latter resolves first, so does my creatures deathtouch still take it out? And would i take 10 full damage or only the 9 due to trample?
Thanks for the help. Studied the stack a lot and still very confusing
Damage does not use the stack, and it has not for a decade now. Therefore, your window of priority to use Bladebrand on your creature comes before the creatures deals combat damage, as does your opponent's opportunity to remove your creature with Collision // Colossus. If your opponent removed your creature in response to bladebrand, then your creature wouldn't have even gained deathtouch in the first place (and you wouldn't have gotten to draw a card). Even if your spell had resolved, it would not have changed the outcome because a creature with deathtouch actually has to deal damage to destroy another creature, which is prevented by your creature getting removed prior to damage. When it comes to the assignment of damage, the absence of your creature means the 10/10 trampler is being blocked by a total of zero toughness, allowing its controller to deal all 10 of its damage to you.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks. Yes another way i thought of it was the creature wouldn't even get deathtouch anyway as there is no legal target anymore, so it fizzles. And the creature is gone before combat damage assigned.
Again, thanks
Also the opposite order would be the same result as i understand, deathtouch on top of stack but its then killed w 6 damage and no longer exists to block anyway. BUT id draw a card... i think.
Also the opposite order would be the same result as i understand, deathtouch on top of stack but its then killed w 6 damage and no longer exists to block anyway. BUT id draw a card... i think.
The creature dies in the Declare Blockers step, before it deals damage, so the deathtouch doesn't help. And this is true whether Collision responds to bladebrand, or bladebrand responds to Collision. But bladebrand will give you a card if it resolves, which won't happen if Collision makes the target of bladebrand die, since the black spell is "removed from the Stack without resolving" in that case.
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Also the opposite order would be the same result as i understand, deathtouch on top of stack but its then killed w 6 damage and no longer exists to block anyway. BUT id draw a card... i think.
This is right. The creature would still die, but the spell would have still resolved so you would draw a card.
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Just played a game and i declared a 2/1 flying as blocker against a 10/10 flying with trample. After declaring when opponent passed priority, i played bladebrand to give the 2/1 deathtouch, and she responded by playing collision//colossus dealing 6 damage. The latter resolves first, so does my creatures deathtouch still take it out? And would i take 10 full damage or only the 9 due to trample?
Thanks for the help. Studied the stack a lot and still very confusing
Again, thanks
As the stack works first in -> last out, Collision goes on top of Bladebrand, and Collision resolves first.
So, your opponent killed your blocker before combat damage, and as it's no longer blocking or alive, your creature blocks no damage, and you take 10.
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The creature dies in the Declare Blockers step, before it deals damage, so the deathtouch doesn't help. And this is true whether Collision responds to bladebrand, or bladebrand responds to Collision. But bladebrand will give you a card if it resolves, which won't happen if Collision makes the target of bladebrand die, since the black spell is "removed from the Stack without resolving" in that case.
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This is right. The creature would still die, but the spell would have still resolved so you would draw a card.