Hi guys. It's a question about basic of phasing. I've read all rulings but still not sure about who decides whether creature is phase in or phase out the moment it is put onto the battlefield. For example I have two creatures with phasing. On my turn I put them onto the battlefield and what....? Do I inform my opponent that one creature is phase in and another one phase out. Or the MTG rulings by default make them phase in at the moment of coming to the battlefield? And also once it's been setup when creature is phase in or phase out can this be changed? For example creature is phase in during my upkeep can change that status so to make this creature phase out during my upkeep?
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A phased-in permanent with phasing doesn't phase out as soon as it enters the battlefield, but rather, during its controller's next untap step, just before they untap permanents (C.R. 702.25a). At the same time during that untap step, all phased-out permanents "that had phased out under that player's control" phase in (C.R. 702.25a).
Also, there are effects that make a permanent phase out (an example is Reality Ripple).
, but rather, during its controller's next untap step, just before they untap permanents (C.R. 702.25a).
And this is a bit confusing. From what you say during my upkeep creature enters battlefield phase in and then during my next upkeep before untap step it phases out ? are you sure ? I thought that creature phases out after I finished my upkeep so it is invisible to my opponent during his/her upkeep
, but rather, during its controller's next untap step, just before they untap permanents (C.R. 702.25a).
And this is a bit confusing. From what you say during my upkeep creature enters battlefield phase in and then during my next upkeep before untap step it phases out ? are you sure ? I thought that creature phases out after I finished my upkeep so it is invisible to my opponent during his/her upkeep
No. At the "beginning of your turn" (roughly), phased-in permanents you control with phasing phase out, and other phased-out permanents that have already phased out while you controlled them phase in (C.R. 500.1, 501.1, 502.1).
, but rather, during its controller's next untap step, just before they untap permanents (C.R. 702.25a).
And this is a bit confusing. From what you say during my upkeep creature enters battlefield phase in and then during my next upkeep before untap step it phases out ? are you sure ? I thought that creature phases out after I finished my upkeep so it is invisible to my opponent during his/her upkeep
No, phasing in and out happens (not counting the effets of spells and abilities that cause it to happen at other times) during your own untap step. Basically, the permanent is considered to exist only one turn cycle out of two.
502. Untap Step
502.1. First, all phased-in permanents with phasing that the active player controls phase out, and all phased-out permanents that the active player controlled when they phased out phase in. This all happens simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn't use the stack. See rule 702.25, "Phasing."
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Thank you guys for clarification. There is still one question I'd like to ask. How come one creature can be phase in and another phase out since they all start from the same position - phase in after entering the battlefield.
502.1. First, all phased-in permanents with phasing that the active player controls phase out, and all phased-out permanents that the active player controlled when they phased out phase in. This all happens simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn't use the stack. See rule 702.25, "Phasing."
Thank you guys for clarification. There is still one question I'd like to ask. How come one creature can be phase in and another phase out since they all start from the same position - phase in after entering the battlefield.
502.1. First, all phased-in permanents with phasing that the active player controls phase out, and all phased-out permanents that the active player controlled when they phased out phase in. This all happens simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn't use the stack. See rule 702.25, "Phasing."
Also, there are effects that make a permanent phase out (an example is Reality Ripple).
The usual reason you can have some phased in and some phased out is they were played on different turns. Creature A enters the field and on its controllers next untap step it phases out. During that players main phase they play Creature B (anything that has phasing). On their next untap step Creature A will phase in and creature B will phase out.
Thank you guys for clarification. There is still one question I'd like to ask. How come one creature can be phase in and another phase out since they all start from the same position - phase in after entering the battlefield.
Usually, permanents with phasing are phased-in and phased-out in alternate turn cycles, so two creatures with phasing that enter the battlefield on your successive turns will never be in the same status unless an outside effect causes that.
Example: You cast a Breezekeeper on your fourth turn and another on your fifth turn. So the first one enters the battlefield phased in, and at the beginning of your fifth turn it will phase out, and the one you cast that turn will enter the battlefield phased in. At the beginning of your sixth turn, the phased in one will phase out and the phased out one will phase in, and so on.
Thank you guys for clarification. There is still one question I'd like to ask. How come one creature can be phase in and another phase out since they all start from the same position - phase in after entering the battlefield.
If a creature of yours is currently phased out, and you play another creature with phasing, on your next untap step after that, the creature that's phased out phases in, and the one that's phased in (a.k.a in default, normal state like any other permanent) phases out.
Reality Ripple makes it so the permanent it affects is phased out (considered not to exist by anything except things that care specifically about phased out permanents) until its controller's next untap step.
I'm a former judge (lapsed), who keeps up to date on rules and policy. Keep in mind that judges' answers aren't necessarily more valid than those of people who aren't judges; what matters is we can quote the rules to back up our answers. When in doubt, ask for such quotes.
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Also, there are effects that make a permanent phase out (an example is Reality Ripple).
EDIT (Feb. 13): Edited.
which means for me that every creature with phasing enters battlefield phase in. Am I correct ?
And this is a bit confusing. From what you say during my upkeep creature enters battlefield phase in and then during my next upkeep before untap step it phases out ? are you sure ? I thought that creature phases out after I finished my upkeep so it is invisible to my opponent during his/her upkeep
EDIT: Edited after comment 5 was posted.
EDIT (Jul. 9, 2019): One rule was renumbered with Core Set 2020.
No. At the "beginning of your turn" (roughly), phased-in permanents you control with phasing phase out, and other phased-out permanents that have already phased out while you controlled them phase in (C.R. 500.1, 501.1, 502.1).
To clarify the situation:
EDIT (Feb. 13): Edited.
Is it all about cards like reality ripple
The usual reason you can have some phased in and some phased out is they were played on different turns. Creature A enters the field and on its controllers next untap step it phases out. During that players main phase they play Creature B (anything that has phasing). On their next untap step Creature A will phase in and creature B will phase out.
Example: You cast a Breezekeeper on your fourth turn and another on your fifth turn. So the first one enters the battlefield phased in, and at the beginning of your fifth turn it will phase out, and the one you cast that turn will enter the battlefield phased in. At the beginning of your sixth turn, the phased in one will phase out and the phased out one will phase in, and so on.
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Reality Ripple makes it so the permanent it affects is phased out (considered not to exist by anything except things that care specifically about phased out permanents) until its controller's next untap step.