If I make a token copy of Sturmgeist using the Scarab God's ability, what will the power and toughness of Sturmgeist be? Will other cards like Mortivore behave in the same manner as sturmgeist in this scenario?
It will be a 4/4. A copy that is created with a specific power/toughness will not copy the characteristic defining ability that usually sets those values. This is the same for all such cards.
It will be a 4/4. A copy that is created with a specific power/toughness will not copy the characteristic defining ability that usually sets those values. This is the same for all such cards.
Am I misinterpreting the rules? I mean... the outcome is right, but that explanation why doesn't seem right.
See next post....
Rules Text on the card is copyable unless otherwise stated. It has more to do with the The Scarab God setting the P/T at Layer 7.B while the Sturmgeist setting P/T at layer 7.A. The P/T setting ability of Sturmgeist is copied but applied too early to be of any good against Scarab. Either way, Sturmgeist is 4/4.
It will be a 4/4. A copy that is created with a specific power/toughness will not copy the characteristic defining ability that usually sets those values. This is the same for all such cards.
Am I misinterpreting the rules? I mean... the outcome is right, but that explanation why doesn't seem right.
Rules Text on the card is copyable unless otherwise stated. It has more to do with the The Scarab God setting the P/T at Layer 7.B while the Sturmgeist setting P/T at layer 7.A. The P/T setting ability of Sturmgeist is copied but applied too early to be of any good against Scarab. Either way, Sturmgeist is 4/4.
Here is the rule (which is the thing that states otherwise):
706.9d. When applying a copy effect that doesn't copy a certain characteristic, retains an original value for a certain characteristic, or modifies the final value of a certain characteristic, any characteristic-defining ability (see rule 604.3) of the object being copied that defines that characteristic is not copied. If that characteristic is color, any color indicator (see rule 204) of that object is also not copied.
Example: Quicksilver Gargantuan is a creature that reads, "You may have Quicksilver Gargantuan enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's still 7/7." Quicksilver Gargantuan enters the battlefield as a copy of Tarmogoyf, which has a characteristic-defining ability that defines its power and toughness. Quicksilver Gargantuan does not have that ability. It will be 7/7.
It will be a 4/4. A copy that is created with a specific power/toughness will not copy the characteristic defining ability that usually sets those values. This is the same for all such cards.
Am I misinterpreting the rules? I mean... the outcome is right, but that explanation why doesn't seem right.
Rules Text on the card is copyable unless otherwise stated. It has more to do with the The Scarab God setting the P/T at Layer 7.B while the Sturmgeist setting P/T at layer 7.A. The P/T setting ability of Sturmgeist is copied but applied too early to be of any good against Scarab. Either way, Sturmgeist is 4/4.
Here is the rule (which is the thing that states otherwise):
706.9d. When applying a copy effect that doesn't copy a certain characteristic, retains an original value for a certain characteristic, or modifies the final value of a certain characteristic, any characteristic-defining ability (see rule 604.3) of the object being copied that defines that characteristic is not copied. If that characteristic is color, any color indicator (see rule 204) of that object is also not copied.
Example: Quicksilver Gargantuan is a creature that reads, "You may have Quicksilver Gargantuan enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's still 7/7." Quicksilver Gargantuan enters the battlefield as a copy of Tarmogoyf, which has a characteristic-defining ability that defines its power and toughness. Quicksilver Gargantuan does not have that ability. It will be 7/7.
I get it now...
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Am I misinterpreting the rules? I mean... the outcome is right, but that explanation why doesn't seem right.
See next post....
Rules Text on the card is copyable unless otherwise stated. It has more to do with the The Scarab God setting the P/T at Layer 7.B while the Sturmgeist setting P/T at layer 7.A. The P/T setting ability of Sturmgeist is copied but applied too early to be of any good against Scarab. Either way, Sturmgeist is 4/4.
Example: Quicksilver Gargantuan is a creature that reads, "You may have Quicksilver Gargantuan enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's still 7/7." Quicksilver Gargantuan enters the battlefield as a copy of Tarmogoyf, which has a characteristic-defining ability that defines its power and toughness. Quicksilver Gargantuan does not have that ability. It will be 7/7.
I get it now...