I've been reading a lot about sleeping enchantments and other uses of soul sculptor. I have a life gaining deck which has been fun but wanted some clarity on some rules.
Here is the set up:
Soul Sculptor and Soul Warden are in play on my side. For this example, my opponent has a 1/1 red goblin with no abilities.
Now if I use the Soul Sculptor to make the 1/1 into an enchantment on his first main phase, its not a creature any longer and can't attack. On his second main phase, he casts another 1/1 goblin for ease of the example.
My first rule question comes up: When the new goblin comes in, I gain 1 life due to soul warden. It triggers the enchantment to return to a creature, Do I gain a life for this change? Does this returned goblin have summoning sickness also? I've read conflicting things about it.
Also, since I'm here, if soul sculptor dies while there are creatures made into enchantments with its ability, do they return to being creatures if he plays a new creature or do they stay enchantments because soul sculptor's ability is no longer in play to allow that?
Thank you, I apologize on format if I've done it wrong. Brand new to ask this question lol
The enchantment returns to its creature form long before the goblin enters the battlefield, because the effect ends when any player casts a creature spell. No creature has to enter the battlefield for this, and in fact a creature entering the battlefield does not end the effect. Casting a creature spell ends the effect.
The permanent is still the same object, it just changes some of its characteristics, most notably its card type. It doesn't leave and enter the battlefield. It is on the battlefield the entire time. so Soul Warden doesn't trigger when the effect ends. And because it is the same permanent, it does not suffer from summoning sickness due to this change of card type.
Soul Sculptor's ability sets up a continous effect with a duration, that effect is not depending on the Sculptor being on the battlefield. It could even leave the battlefield before the ability resolves without changing anything for the sceanrio, the creature becomes an enchantment until a creature spell is cast.
A permanent changing types is not the same as a zone change, which is what Soul Warden is looking for. A non-creature permanent changing into a creature will not trigger enters the battlefield abilities.
Likewise, type changes have no effect on summoning sickness. The only thing that matters is if the permanent has been on the battlefield under its controller's control since the beginning of the turn. As long as it has, summoning sickness will not reapply unless it changes zones or controllers.
Creatures turned into enchantments will still be able to turn back even after Soul Sculptor leaves the battlefield because the duration of the type change is part of the very same activated ability that changes the creatures' types in the first place.
My first rule question comes up: When the new goblin comes in, I gain 1 life due to soul warden. It triggers the enchantment to return to a creature, Do I gain a life for this change?
There is no trigger involved when he casts a creature spell. The effect of Soul Sculptor just ends. You do not gain a life for that because nothing enters the battlefield at that time. From the glossary of the rules:
Enters the Battlefield
A nontoken permanent “enters the battlefield” when it’s moved onto the battlefield from another zone. A token “enters the battlefield” when it’s created. See rules 403.3, 603.6a, 603.6d, and 614.12.
Does this returned goblin have summoning sickness also? I've read conflicting things about it.
It didn't "return" from anywhere. Has it been under that player's control since the start of their turn? Soul Sculptor doesn't alter that. The "summoning sickness" rule doesn't care how much time it has spent as a creature, just how long it has been under their control.
302.6. A creature’s activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can’t be activated unless the creature has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can’t attack unless it has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the “summoning sickness” rule.
Also, since I'm here, if soul sculptor dies while there are creatures made into enchantments with its ability, do they return to being creatures if he plays a new creature or do they stay enchantments because soul sculptor's ability is no longer in play to allow that?
The duration is "until a player casts a creature spell", not "until a player casts a creature spell while Soul Sculptor is on the battlefield". The enchantment effect ends. Just like the effect of Giant Growth ends on schedule even if Giant Growth isn't on the battlefield at that time.
611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by the spell or ability creating it (such as “until end of turn”). If no duration is stated, it lasts until the end of the game.
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My first rule question comes up: When the new goblin comes in, I gain 1 life due to soul warden. It triggers the enchantment to return to a creature, Do I gain a life for this change?
No. Nothing entered. It was already there and it changed.
Does this returned goblin have summoning sickness also?
No. It was on the battlefield under their control at the start of the turn. This counts even thought it was not a creature at the time.
Also, since I'm here, if soul sculptor dies while there are creatures made into enchantments with its ability, do they return to being creatures if he plays a new creature or do they stay enchantments because soul sculptor's ability is no longer in play to allow that?
They return to being creatures. The trigger to revert them comes from the ability that made them enchantments, not from Sculptor.
I play with soul sculptor, if my opponent has a creature with an enchantment or equipment on it will they fall off if I change then to an enchantment? Also let's say my opponent taps his creature to attack me then I turn it into an enchantment, when the next creature spell is cast will the creature come back tapped? Because I've never seen an enchantment tapped, so we have been playing they come back untapped.
I play with soul sculptor, if my opponent has a creature with an enchantment or equipment on it will they fall off if I change then to an enchantment? Also let's say my opponent taps his creature to attack me then I turn it into an enchantment, when the next creature spell is cast will the creature come back tapped? Because I've never seen an enchantment tapped, so we have been playing they come back untapped.
Soul Sculptor's ability will make the targeted creature become an enchantment and no other card types (including creature) (C.R. 205.1a); as state-based actions, any Equipment attached to it becomes unattached and any Aura attached to it may or may not remain attached to it depending on what the Aura can enchant (e.g., in general, an "enchant permanent" Aura will stay while an "enchant creature" Aura will go to the graveyard) (C.R. 704.5m-n, 303.4). If the targeted permanent was attacking or blocking, it will be removed from combat and no longer be attacking or blocking (C.R. 506.4). And if the targeted permanent was tapped, it will remain tapped (C.R. 110.5c, 110.5; note that an enchantment can be tapped like any other permanent — C.R. 110.5 doesn't speak of only nonenchantment permanents).
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EDIT (Jul. 9, 2019): Some rules were renumbered with Core Set 2020.
Soul Sculptor can't target an Aura or Equipment attached to a creature, so I don't know what you mean by "change then" (change them?). If you change the enchanted/equipped creature into an enchantment, then the Equipment will fall off, and you will have to re-evaluate the enchant ability of the Aura to see if it can legally enchant a noncreature enchantment.
When the card type of a permanent changes, as with Soul Sculptor, this does not affect the permanent's status, including the tap/untap status. So if it is tapped, then as it returns to creature-nature, it will still be tapped. Note it could also untap as an enchantment in an untap step, if no creature spell is forthcoming.
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If a creature that's equipped becomes another card type and is no longer a creature, all Equipment on it will become unattached as Equipment can only be attached to creatures. If anything that's enchanted becomes another card type and is no longer its original type, whatever Auras on it will be put into their owners' graveyards if they don't have an enchant ability that covers the new card type. For example: Holy Strength and Faith's Fetters are both attached to a creature that has Song of the Dryads enchant it. The Strength is put into its owner's graveyard as it has enchant creature and can't enchant a land. The Fetters is not as it has enchant permanent and can enchant a land.
A tapped creature that's Soul Sculptor-ed will not become untapped just as a result of it becoming an enchantment. Witch's Mist, Flowstone Embrace, and Second Wind are all examples of (noncreature nonartifact) enchantments that can be tapped due to their own abilities, yet nothing in the rules prevents any enchantments from being tapped.
Here is the set up:
Soul Sculptor and Soul Warden are in play on my side. For this example, my opponent has a 1/1 red goblin with no abilities.
Now if I use the Soul Sculptor to make the 1/1 into an enchantment on his first main phase, its not a creature any longer and can't attack. On his second main phase, he casts another 1/1 goblin for ease of the example.
My first rule question comes up: When the new goblin comes in, I gain 1 life due to soul warden. It triggers the enchantment to return to a creature, Do I gain a life for this change? Does this returned goblin have summoning sickness also? I've read conflicting things about it.
Also, since I'm here, if soul sculptor dies while there are creatures made into enchantments with its ability, do they return to being creatures if he plays a new creature or do they stay enchantments because soul sculptor's ability is no longer in play to allow that?
Thank you, I apologize on format if I've done it wrong. Brand new to ask this question lol
The permanent is still the same object, it just changes some of its characteristics, most notably its card type. It doesn't leave and enter the battlefield. It is on the battlefield the entire time. so Soul Warden doesn't trigger when the effect ends. And because it is the same permanent, it does not suffer from summoning sickness due to this change of card type.
Soul Sculptor's ability sets up a continous effect with a duration, that effect is not depending on the Sculptor being on the battlefield. It could even leave the battlefield before the ability resolves without changing anything for the sceanrio, the creature becomes an enchantment until a creature spell is cast.
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Likewise, type changes have no effect on summoning sickness. The only thing that matters is if the permanent has been on the battlefield under its controller's control since the beginning of the turn. As long as it has, summoning sickness will not reapply unless it changes zones or controllers.
Creatures turned into enchantments will still be able to turn back even after Soul Sculptor leaves the battlefield because the duration of the type change is part of the very same activated ability that changes the creatures' types in the first place.
There is no trigger involved when he casts a creature spell. The effect of Soul Sculptor just ends. You do not gain a life for that because nothing enters the battlefield at that time. From the glossary of the rules:
It didn't "return" from anywhere. Has it been under that player's control since the start of their turn? Soul Sculptor doesn't alter that. The "summoning sickness" rule doesn't care how much time it has spent as a creature, just how long it has been under their control.
The duration is "until a player casts a creature spell", not "until a player casts a creature spell while Soul Sculptor is on the battlefield". The enchantment effect ends. Just like the effect of Giant Growth ends on schedule even if Giant Growth isn't on the battlefield at that time.
No. Nothing entered. It was already there and it changed.
No. It was on the battlefield under their control at the start of the turn. This counts even thought it was not a creature at the time.
They return to being creatures. The trigger to revert them comes from the ability that made them enchantments, not from Sculptor.
EDIT (Dec. 22): Clarification.
EDIT (Jul. 9, 2019): Some rules were renumbered with Core Set 2020.
When the card type of a permanent changes, as with Soul Sculptor, this does not affect the permanent's status, including the tap/untap status. So if it is tapped, then as it returns to creature-nature, it will still be tapped. Note it could also untap as an enchantment in an untap step, if no creature spell is forthcoming.
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A tapped creature that's Soul Sculptor-ed will not become untapped just as a result of it becoming an enchantment. Witch's Mist, Flowstone Embrace, and Second Wind are all examples of (noncreature nonartifact) enchantments that can be tapped due to their own abilities, yet nothing in the rules prevents any enchantments from being tapped.
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