Alms Collector's replacement effect applies to an instruction to draw more than one card before any replacement effects apply to individual cards drawn. For example, if you have a card with dredge in your graveyard, you can't dredge it before the effect of Divination is modified by Alms Collector's replacement effect.
So in this case Wheel of Fortune has everyone try to draw 7 cards.
This is replaced by Alms Collector to you and Charlie each drawing just one card, while Bill now draws 9 cards (7 from Fortune, and 1 extra from each of you).
Then Abundance gives you the choice to replace your card draw with the land or nonland decision.
Why must the replacement effect of Alms Protector apply first before the replacement effect of Abundance?
This rule:
616.1f. While following the steps in 616.1a-d, one replacement or prevention effect may apply to an event, and another may apply to an event contained within the first event. In this case, the second effect can't be chosen until after the first effect has been chosen.
Abundance applies to each card draw individually, while Alms Collector applies to an event of drawing multiple cards. The event that Abundance is looking for is contained within the event Alms Collector is looking for, so we need to apply Collector first. This makes sorting out the interactions with a card like Alms Collector much easier.
What stops the alms collector replacing the whole wheel of fortune?
I'm not sure what you mean here. The Collector does what it says it does fully. Each opponent of the Collector's controller draws just 1 instead of 7, and the Collector's controller draws 2 more, for 9 cards total.
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Why must the replacement effect of Alms Protector apply first before the replacement effect of Abundance?
Because Alms Collector is looking for the event of an opponent being told to draw multiple cards. Which is seen before anyone actually starts drawing cards.
Whereas Abundance is looking for the individual card drawing events.
So Alms Collector has to happen before Abundance.
Edit - See above post for the actual rule that applies here.
Hope that helps.
And Zauzich, not sure what you are getting at with your question.
Alms Collector only applies to your opponent's drawing cards, so won't replacing the discarding cards or the 7 cards the control of Alms Collector would draw from Wheel of Fortune.
I thought since the draw cards portion of wheel was one instruction the alms collector might see all the drawing as one event and since that event includes the thing to be replaced, the whole thing could be eligible for replacement.
I thought since the draw cards portion of wheel was one instruction the alms collector might see all the drawing as one event and since that event includes the thing to be replaced, the whole thing could be eligible for replacement.
No, replacement effects don't necessarily equate a single instruction with a single event. A single instruction can cause multiple instances of an event as defined by the effect, and the effect only cares about these precise events, it leaves other events caused by the instruction untouched. Here, the single instruction generates two events of a an opponent drawing 7 cards that Alms Collector can "catch", and it replaces both of those events. It leaves the rest of the effect of the Wheel's instruction (its controller drawing 7) alone because it doesn't care about that.
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Simple. Alms is a replacement effect that basically negates Wheel. Making Alm's ability to be applicable instead. By playing Alms, you basically shot a counter spell at the Wheel. Alms Collector is boss.
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The reason why Alms Collector's effect is applied first is due to a rules change that happened a little while ago. Here are the relevant rules:
From the MTG comprehensive rulebook:
120.2a An instruction to draw multiple cards can be modified by replacement effects that refer to the number of cards drawn. This modification occurs before considering any of the individual card draws. See rule 616.1f.
616.1f While following the steps in 616.1a–d, one replacement or prevention effect may apply to an event, and another may apply to an event contained within the first event. In this case, the second effect can’t be chosen until after the first effect has been chosen.
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a) Abundance one draw and draw six
b) Abundance six draws and draw one.
c) Alternate between Abundance and drawing.
So in this case Wheel of Fortune has everyone try to draw 7 cards.
This is replaced by Alms Collector to you and Charlie each drawing just one card, while Bill now draws 9 cards (7 from Fortune, and 1 extra from each of you).
Then Abundance gives you the choice to replace your card draw with the land or nonland decision.
Hope that helps.
Because Alms Collector is looking for the event of an opponent being told to draw multiple cards. Which is seen before anyone actually starts drawing cards.
Whereas Abundance is looking for the individual card drawing events.
So Alms Collector has to happen before Abundance.
Edit - See above post for the actual rule that applies here.
Hope that helps.
And Zauzich, not sure what you are getting at with your question.
Alms Collector only applies to your opponent's drawing cards, so won't replacing the discarding cards or the 7 cards the control of Alms Collector would draw from Wheel of Fortune.
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