Im a curious guy, is there a place where wizards has said specifically what exactly is offensive about the 7 cards they banned?
Some seem pretty obvious to me....invoke prejudice
Others, less so....imprision...
Have they given specific reasons?
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Racism, the cards are either obviously racist, contextually racist, or obscurely racist. I think you can track down how each individual card is racist but I don't believe there is a single place with the reasons. Though our own forum probably covered all of them in the thread that mentioned this.
I think they have created a new reserve list on these cards. Have you seen the prices of these cards after they were banned? Some of them are reserve list before, but Crusade has shot up.
I think they have created a new reserve list on these cards. Have you seen the prices of these cards after they were banned? Some of them are reserve list before, but Crusade has shot up.
Which really makes no sense now that the cards are not legal anywhere. You can't even purchase them on retailers such as TCGPlayer. You can't play them in any format. Even if you wanted crusade, you'd obviously play Honor of the Pure nowadays as it's strictly better. Glorious Anthem for the second copy of the effect...
Like, if people want to scoop these up to "spec" on them, it's their money...seems like a shaky investment, for overall low RoR - just go to Vanguard and dive into some low-cost index funds ffs, if that's really your end game. Or buy into other RL cards that will have demand.
Restriction of things creates a market for it. Why do people buy ivory elephant tusk, have exotic pets, or buy fully automatic guns when they are hard to get or illegal? It's the desire to get something that others don't have, regardless of how useful or playable it is. The cards aren't banned in kitchen table magic, which is what WoTC wants us to believe is the one of the biggest formats in magic.
They will have a demand because these cards make people uncomfortable, are harder to find than other RL cards, and are the first cards in MTG to have been banned (HUGE historic banning that we've had in the entire game of magic)from all formats due to artistic direction or name. Most of the cards aren't that great, but they are unique in those regards.
Banning the cards really hurts no one, since they're all fringe playable at best, and makes a portion of the playerbase more comfortable in the community. Seems like a no-brainer win-win to me. Obviously there is a financial motive on WotC's part, but their heart is in the right place too, I know and work with a lot of these folks and this really did come from a good place.
That said, I definitely had to have a few of them explained to me, but they all make sense after that:
Invoke Prejudice: Obviously KKK imagery, from an avowed and vehement racist, with 1488 (a neo-nazi dogwhistle) as its gatherer number. Ouch.
Cleanse: A white card (ok). That destroys black creatures (ok). Named Cleanse (...ok?). Ethnic cleansing (oooooooh).
Stone-Throwing Devils: Apparently an old middle-eastern pejorative, and once you know that the art is super obviously a racist caricature.
Pradesh Gypsies: 'Gypsy' is basically the N-word for the Romani people. It has been appropriated to mean something fairly benign in modern media, but its roots are that of baseless bigotry towards an out-group. A lot of folks with that heritage have repappropriated it and use the word proudly, but at the same time a lot of folks still find it offensive.
Jihad: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Crusade: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Imprison: What appears to be a starving black man in a torture mask, with a card name that sniffs of slavery.
Both Cleanse and Imprison are a bit of a stretch, but honestly they toe the line enough and are unplayably bad enough that it feels free to axe them just to be safe.
Speaking to the newly found value of these cards, its a temporary bubble with two types of people participating. 1) Speculators who knew that the banning would spike interest due to FOMO, and 2) Actual full-blown racists who want to collect and protect racist iconography. Eventually the price on these will go back down as folks lose interest, and we'll be left with slightly richer speculators and slightly poorer racists, so it all works out. Invoke itself may very well hold its price, since it is the rarest of them and holds a sort of freak-show novelty, but the rest will absolutely fall off a cliff and take a lot of stupid peoples' money with them.
Banning the cards really hurts no one, since they're all fringe playable at best, and makes a portion of the playerbase more comfortable in the community. Seems like a no-brainer win-win to me. Obviously there is a financial motive on WotC's part, but their heart is in the right place too, I know and work with a lot of these folks and this really did come from a good place.
That said, I definitely had to have a few of them explained to me, but they all make sense after that:
Invoke Prejudice: Obviously KKK imagery, from an avowed and vehement racist, with 1488 (a neo-nazi dogwhistle) as its gatherer number. Ouch.
Cleanse: A white card (ok). That destroys black creatures (ok). Named Cleanse (...ok?). Ethnic cleansing (oooooooh).
Stone-Throwing Devils: Apparently an old middle-eastern pejorative, and once you know that the art is super obviously a racist caricature.
Pradesh Gypsies: 'Gypsy' is basically the N-word for the Romani people. It has been appropriated to mean something fairly benign in modern media, but its roots are that of baseless bigotry towards an out-group. A lot of folks with that heritage have repappropriated it and use the word proudly, but at the same time a lot of folks still find it offensive.
Jihad: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Crusade: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Imprison: What appears to be a starving black man in a torture mask, with a card name that sniffs of slavery.
Both Cleanse and Imprison are a bit of a stretch, but honestly they toe the line enough and are unplayably bad enough that it feels free to axe them just to be safe.
Speaking to the newly found value of these cards, its a temporary bubble with two types of people participating. 1) Speculators who knew that the banning would spike interest due to FOMO, and 2) Actual full-blown racists who want to collect and protect racist iconography. Eventually the price on these will go back down as folks lose interest, and we'll be left with slightly richer speculators and slightly poorer racists, so it all works out. Invoke itself may very well hold its price, since it is the rarest of them and holds a sort of freak-show novelty, but the rest will absolutely fall off a cliff and take a lot of stupid peoples' money with them.
this post right here should just get stickied to the top of the forum so we don't have to have a thread about it every two days. you summed it all up perfectly.
Some seem pretty obvious to me....invoke prejudice
Others, less so....imprision...
Have they given specific reasons?
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Modern:
Pauper:
Which really makes no sense now that the cards are not legal anywhere. You can't even purchase them on retailers such as TCGPlayer. You can't play them in any format. Even if you wanted crusade, you'd obviously play Honor of the Pure nowadays as it's strictly better. Glorious Anthem for the second copy of the effect...
Like, if people want to scoop these up to "spec" on them, it's their money...seems like a shaky investment, for overall low RoR - just go to Vanguard and dive into some low-cost index funds ffs, if that's really your end game. Or buy into other RL cards that will have demand.
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They will have a demand because these cards make people uncomfortable, are harder to find than other RL cards, and are the first cards in MTG to have been banned (HUGE historic banning that we've had in the entire game of magic)from all formats due to artistic direction or name. Most of the cards aren't that great, but they are unique in those regards.
Standard:
Modern:
Pauper:
That said, I definitely had to have a few of them explained to me, but they all make sense after that:
Invoke Prejudice: Obviously KKK imagery, from an avowed and vehement racist, with 1488 (a neo-nazi dogwhistle) as its gatherer number. Ouch.
Cleanse: A white card (ok). That destroys black creatures (ok). Named Cleanse (...ok?). Ethnic cleansing (oooooooh).
Stone-Throwing Devils: Apparently an old middle-eastern pejorative, and once you know that the art is super obviously a racist caricature.
Pradesh Gypsies: 'Gypsy' is basically the N-word for the Romani people. It has been appropriated to mean something fairly benign in modern media, but its roots are that of baseless bigotry towards an out-group. A lot of folks with that heritage have repappropriated it and use the word proudly, but at the same time a lot of folks still find it offensive.
Jihad: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Crusade: Name and art reference real-world racist, violent religious war/massacre. Let's not do that.
Imprison: What appears to be a starving black man in a torture mask, with a card name that sniffs of slavery.
Both Cleanse and Imprison are a bit of a stretch, but honestly they toe the line enough and are unplayably bad enough that it feels free to axe them just to be safe.
Speaking to the newly found value of these cards, its a temporary bubble with two types of people participating. 1) Speculators who knew that the banning would spike interest due to FOMO, and 2) Actual full-blown racists who want to collect and protect racist iconography. Eventually the price on these will go back down as folks lose interest, and we'll be left with slightly richer speculators and slightly poorer racists, so it all works out. Invoke itself may very well hold its price, since it is the rarest of them and holds a sort of freak-show novelty, but the rest will absolutely fall off a cliff and take a lot of stupid peoples' money with them.
this post right here should just get stickied to the top of the forum so we don't have to have a thread about it every two days. you summed it all up perfectly.
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