A simple question about adding a new gameplay mode in mtg where you would buy random generated decks, open them and play sealed. The decks would have a name posted on card and there will be a new format that will allow you to play deck vs deck. The cards would need a new card frame that will include a name of the deck. Those cards would be legal as singles in every other format. What do you think? And the decks would include all the key pieces as 4 of and be designed for 2 specific color combinations. The decks should contain modern staples and be designed as a new unique format for budget players. MSRP would be 40 $.
Yes, but that is made by building a deck while picking up a new pre-constructed deck and playing it in a new format is better for new players. Also it can prove to be better long time as you will have the deck for ever with you to play in the same format.
They already tried that with the pre-con decks of yore, e cept your proposal
1) Has a new format attached to it
2) 40$ mrsp for modern staples.
Some precon decks will just gather dust as they're crap compared to the others. Kinda boring to have a format with only 1 deck is playable.
40$ msrpt on the decks will mean only the barest of modern staples will be included -- this won't be a cheap source for modern staples, because then people who have no interest in the format will just buy the precons and chop up the deck for the individual cards, leading to the failure of the format and the increase in the price despite what msrp says,
See what happened to rat's nest and war of attrition.
My main question is what the heck is a random generated deck? Because what that brings to mind is completely at odds with your other points about the deck.
The main points of the deck
1. Random??? (I'm guessing you don't actually mean anything close to random but mean not an established deck)
2. Limited to 2 colors
3. Essentially all 4 ofs
4. Contains Modern Staples(This is vague as heck, what is a modern staple? How many should each deck get since you the above clause means that you get 4 in the deck)
5. Designed as a Unique format(this is the main reason{besides the absurdity} I assume you don't actually mean Random)
6. Cheap
1 & 5 are directly at odds with one another as you can't both be random and designed. If you mean truly random then the people with actual proper decks randomly generated will be the only playable decks and the format will be awful. Since you said the format will be designed I assume your "random" means not 'real' powerful decks. This puts it in conflict with point 4, but only in conjunction with point 3. Modern Staples are Modern Staples because they are very powerful if your decks are going to contain them then you will quickly find that your decks are far more Modern decks than they are "random" decks.
In the end this sounds more like buying rather large rather expensive booster packs with the major difference being you will get 4 ofs, of what ever modern staple you manage to actually pull.
As I understand keyforge literally every single deck would be unique. Rather than having a display contain 4-5 copies of 4-5 precon decks, the display would have 20 unique precons.
Each precon would possessed semi-randomized cards from two random colors (guaranteeing an okay mana curve and card type distribution) from the modern card pool, leaning heavily towards modern-playable cards. As the decks are randomized, however, they are less likely to be dissected by investors.
Within the proposed "new format", these precon decks have to be played As-Is. Much as stone-forge mystic could be played in a totally unmodified version of the it's precon after it was banned, you would not be able to move your new tarmogoyf into a deck with cards from different precons and would be stuck with the other cards in the original deck (which may be less good). This is why the OP recommends changing the frame so a randomized deck name (or set symbol) can prove that all cards from the same deck are being used together with zero mixing and matching.
This idea... has promise. Now that wizards has learned how to semi-randomize products with its theme boosters, wizards could certainly produce a "random precon" that is designed to be played against other precons. I could imagine some players liking a random product that is playable right out of the box.
My main question is what the heck is a random generated deck? Because what that brings to mind is completely at odds with your other points about the deck.
The main points of the deck
1. Random??? (I'm guessing you don't actually mean anything close to random but mean not an established deck)
2. Limited to 2 colors
3. Essentially all 4 ofs
4. Contains Modern Staples(This is vague as heck, what is a modern staple? How many should each deck get since you the above clause means that you get 4 in the deck)
5. Designed as a Unique format(this is the main reason{besides the absurdity} I assume you don't actually mean Random)
6. Cheap
1 & 5 are directly at odds with one another as you can't both be random and designed. If you mean truly random then the people with actual proper decks randomly generated will be the only playable decks and the format will be awful. Since you said the format will be designed I assume your "random" means not 'real' powerful decks. This puts it in conflict with point 4, but only in conjunction with point 3. Modern Staples are Modern Staples because they are very powerful if your decks are going to contain them then you will quickly find that your decks are far more Modern decks than they are "random" decks.
In the end this sounds more like buying rather large rather expensive booster packs with the major difference being you will get 4 ofs, of what ever modern staple you manage to actually pull.
Keyforge, also designed by Richard Garfield is random, per se. There are algorithms for sure (they are procedurally generated), every single deck is unique, and you can only play with cards in that deck. You can't swap anything out. They are branded with a name randomly generated for an avatar printed on one of the cards. There are different factions (colors in Magic). Each deck is 3 colors. Cards aren't guaranteed in any quantity, and there are many cards in each faction that won't be in a given deck. It's actually quite fun.
On BGG Richard Garfield wrote: I can't go into details, but the construction algorithm does reject decks and do small amounts of construction. In balancing the goals of variety against playability (both too powerful and too weak) we tried to cut as few decks as possible, but we did cut some. More often than too powerful or too weak was 'not fun', it is not fun to get a card that refers to Robots and then have no robots in your deck - or even just have one.
As I understand keyforge literally every single deck would be unique. Rather than having a display contain 4-5 copies of 4-5 precon decks, the display would have 20 unique precons.
Each precon would possessed semi-randomized cards from two random colors (guaranteeing an okay mana curve and card type distribution) from the modern card pool, leaning heavily towards modern-playable cards. As the decks are randomized, however, they are less likely to be dissected by investors.
This idea... has promise. Now that wizards has learned how to semi-randomize products with its theme boosters, wizards could certainly produce a "random precon" that is designed to be played against other precons. I could imagine some players liking a random product that is playable right out of the box.
As I understand keyforge literally every single deck would be unique. Rather than having a display contain 4-5 copies of 4-5 precon decks, the display would have 20 unique precons.
Each precon would possessed semi-randomized cards from two random colors (guaranteeing an okay mana curve and card type distribution) from the modern card pool, leaning heavily towards modern-playable cards. As the decks are randomized, however, they are less likely to be dissected by investors.
Within the proposed "new format", these precon decks have to be played As-Is. Much as stone-forge mystic could be played in a totally unmodified version of the it's precon after it was banned, you would not be able to move your new tarmogoyf into a deck with cards from different precons and would be stuck with the other cards in the original deck (which may be less good). This is why the OP recommends changing the frame so a randomized deck name (or set symbol) can prove that all cards from the same deck are being used together with zero mixing and matching.
This idea... has promise. Now that wizards has learned how to semi-randomize products with its theme boosters, wizards could certainly produce a "random precon" that is designed to be played against other precons. I could imagine some players liking a random product that is playable right out of the box.
The way Keyforge does this is each deck has an avatar on one card with a randomly generated name. Each card from the deck has that name written on it near the artist line in MtG. That's how you know which cards belong in which deck. It's very simple. So your deck might have the Avatar card Lightblazer the Sunlord on it. Mine might be Quetzalatl, Destroyer of Worlds. Our cards would have those names on the bottom of them.
Having a look at key forge and I think the basic concept is possible but it can't hit all if your criteria. The card pool being used would have to be carefully selected such that the most number of different decks are viable. Assuming the same format of "not too weak, not too strong, and not unfun" is copied I don't think you can get 4 ofs or modern staples. By reducing the number of 4 ofs you increase the number of possible decks and lower the power level of every deck. Modern staples have the problem I already brought up, they are staples because they are so strong.
While possible i don't think it's a good idea. I don't think there would be a significant market for such a product.
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1) Has a new format attached to it
2) 40$ mrsp for modern staples.
Some precon decks will just gather dust as they're crap compared to the others. Kinda boring to have a format with only 1 deck is playable.
40$ msrpt on the decks will mean only the barest of modern staples will be included -- this won't be a cheap source for modern staples, because then people who have no interest in the format will just buy the precons and chop up the deck for the individual cards, leading to the failure of the format and the increase in the price despite what msrp says,
See what happened to rat's nest and war of attrition.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
The main points of the deck
1. Random??? (I'm guessing you don't actually mean anything close to random but mean not an established deck)
2. Limited to 2 colors
3. Essentially all 4 ofs
4. Contains Modern Staples(This is vague as heck, what is a modern staple? How many should each deck get since you the above clause means that you get 4 in the deck)
5. Designed as a Unique format(this is the main reason{besides the absurdity} I assume you don't actually mean Random)
6. Cheap
1 & 5 are directly at odds with one another as you can't both be random and designed. If you mean truly random then the people with actual proper decks randomly generated will be the only playable decks and the format will be awful. Since you said the format will be designed I assume your "random" means not 'real' powerful decks. This puts it in conflict with point 4, but only in conjunction with point 3. Modern Staples are Modern Staples because they are very powerful if your decks are going to contain them then you will quickly find that your decks are far more Modern decks than they are "random" decks.
In the end this sounds more like buying rather large rather expensive booster packs with the major difference being you will get 4 ofs, of what ever modern staple you manage to actually pull.
As I understand keyforge literally every single deck would be unique. Rather than having a display contain 4-5 copies of 4-5 precon decks, the display would have 20 unique precons.
Each precon would possessed semi-randomized cards from two random colors (guaranteeing an okay mana curve and card type distribution) from the modern card pool, leaning heavily towards modern-playable cards. As the decks are randomized, however, they are less likely to be dissected by investors.
Within the proposed "new format", these precon decks have to be played As-Is. Much as stone-forge mystic could be played in a totally unmodified version of the it's precon after it was banned, you would not be able to move your new tarmogoyf into a deck with cards from different precons and would be stuck with the other cards in the original deck (which may be less good). This is why the OP recommends changing the frame so a randomized deck name (or set symbol) can prove that all cards from the same deck are being used together with zero mixing and matching.
This idea... has promise. Now that wizards has learned how to semi-randomize products with its theme boosters, wizards could certainly produce a "random precon" that is designed to be played against other precons. I could imagine some players liking a random product that is playable right out of the box.
Keyforge, also designed by Richard Garfield is random, per se. There are algorithms for sure (they are procedurally generated), every single deck is unique, and you can only play with cards in that deck. You can't swap anything out. They are branded with a name randomly generated for an avatar printed on one of the cards. There are different factions (colors in Magic). Each deck is 3 colors. Cards aren't guaranteed in any quantity, and there are many cards in each faction that won't be in a given deck. It's actually quite fun.
On BGG Richard Garfield wrote: I can't go into details, but the construction algorithm does reject decks and do small amounts of construction. In balancing the goals of variety against playability (both too powerful and too weak) we tried to cut as few decks as possible, but we did cut some. More often than too powerful or too weak was 'not fun', it is not fun to get a card that refers to Robots and then have no robots in your deck - or even just have one.
The way Keyforge does this is each deck has an avatar on one card with a randomly generated name. Each card from the deck has that name written on it near the artist line in MtG. That's how you know which cards belong in which deck. It's very simple. So your deck might have the Avatar card Lightblazer the Sunlord on it. Mine might be Quetzalatl, Destroyer of Worlds. Our cards would have those names on the bottom of them.
While possible i don't think it's a good idea. I don't think there would be a significant market for such a product.