I whacked a guy with Duress and to my surprise, he placed his cards down, face up, just behind the graveyard where I can easily see them. New cards he drew into his hand and generally placed them face down with the others. He explained it makes the game run faster to avoid having his opponent write his cards down.
My deck uses Duress and Divest to help keep annoying cards off the board like Goblin Chainwhirler. In this case I managed to keep most of his Angels off the board. Still lost to a damn Karn but that's besides the point.
I thought this was a great idea and started doing it myself. It did make the game run a bit faster not having the opponent write down my full hand.
First question, has anyone encountered this before?
Second question, is there something somewhere in the rules that says this isn't allowed?
It's pretty common in low stakes magic tournaments and casual play. You won't see it at GPs or anything, but if you are at an FNM a lot of players will do it.
The main issue with the rules is that you have to keep the cards clearly separated from anything else. You don't want them beside the GY for example because then it can look like a card in the GY is in the hand. Generally they are kept behind the lands in their own row.
i wont leave my cards exposed because im not about making my opponents job easier. Ppl are more apt to forget or make mistakes when information is not direcrly on the battlefield. Ive seen a number of ppl do as you described....known cards face up, unknown face down, closest to table edge.
This is common practice at the LGSi go to for FNM or weekly events because we're all friends, practice together for the most part, and it facilitates us getting out early. We approach FNM as a practice ground for higher tournaments generally and are less sticky on the rules.
That being said, anything beyond this level or for an unknown opponent (someone from out of town) I won't do this for. It's on them to record whatever information is provided and I'll take whatever edge I can get in a more competitive setting.
While I do think it's good sportsmanship, I don't think it's bad manners by any stretch to not offer.
I'm entirely unsure of the ruling impact on it however, and I know that picking my hand back up is the easiest way to just keep everyone honest and keep a competitive edge if they fail to note what you revealed.
I have a few people I play against that will do it. Against those people, I will reciprocate and keep those cards revealed as well. I see no real problem with it at FNM (it is a bit more relaxed after all). I think there is something to be said about just being a good sport at FNM. I wouldn't do it at any major tournament.
Also, I will *not* reveal cards for people I don't like playing against. I know it is somewhat petty, but if the player is not fun to play against, I am certainly not going to keep my hand revealed for them. And, I mean the person themselves; I don't care as much about the deck they are playing.
It's pretty common in low stakes magic tournaments and casual play. You won't see it at GPs or anything, but if you are at an FNM a lot of players will do it.
I actually started doing this after I saw a pro do it at pro tour in top 8.
i wont leave my cards exposed because im not about making my opponents job easier. Ppl are more apt to forget or make mistakes when information is not direcrly on the battlefield. Ive seen a number of ppl do as you described....known cards face up, unknown face down, closest to table edge.
You are not really making the game easier for your opponent by keeping your revealed cards revealed. Players can write down what cards you have in hand. mtgo and arena do this automatically.
It's pretty common in low stakes magic tournaments and casual play. You won't see it at GPs or anything, but if you are at an FNM a lot of players will do it.
I actually started doing this after I saw a pro do it at pro tour in top 8.
i wont leave my cards exposed because im not about making my opponents job easier. Ppl are more apt to forget or make mistakes when information is not direcrly on the battlefield. Ive seen a number of ppl do as you described....known cards face up, unknown face down, closest to table edge.
You are not really making the game easier for your opponent by keeping your revealed cards revealed. Players can write down what cards you have in hand. mtgo and arena do this automatically.
Then let my opponent write them down. im not going to purposefully make anything easier for my opponent. Ive found others are more likely to make a mistake if they write it down than if its smacking them in the face on the table. Same with stacking the gy vs fanning it out
My opponent can write it down or remember them. If an opponent would do this I wouldn't reciprocate. The Spike in me calls the shots.
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My deck uses Duress and Divest to help keep annoying cards off the board like Goblin Chainwhirler. In this case I managed to keep most of his Angels off the board. Still lost to a damn Karn but that's besides the point.
I thought this was a great idea and started doing it myself. It did make the game run a bit faster not having the opponent write down my full hand.
First question, has anyone encountered this before?
Second question, is there something somewhere in the rules that says this isn't allowed?
The main issue with the rules is that you have to keep the cards clearly separated from anything else. You don't want them beside the GY for example because then it can look like a card in the GY is in the hand. Generally they are kept behind the lands in their own row.
That being said, anything beyond this level or for an unknown opponent (someone from out of town) I won't do this for. It's on them to record whatever information is provided and I'll take whatever edge I can get in a more competitive setting.
While I do think it's good sportsmanship, I don't think it's bad manners by any stretch to not offer.
I'm entirely unsure of the ruling impact on it however, and I know that picking my hand back up is the easiest way to just keep everyone honest and keep a competitive edge if they fail to note what you revealed.
Also, I will *not* reveal cards for people I don't like playing against. I know it is somewhat petty, but if the player is not fun to play against, I am certainly not going to keep my hand revealed for them. And, I mean the person themselves; I don't care as much about the deck they are playing.
I actually started doing this after I saw a pro do it at pro tour in top 8.
You are not really making the game easier for your opponent by keeping your revealed cards revealed. Players can write down what cards you have in hand. mtgo and arena do this automatically.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."