Of course since, I didn't recevied any card. i opened a Paypal case, but the seller havn't respond yet.
What can I do next ?
Thanks a lot for your help ...
11 days doesn't seen long enough to start the case. Sometimes the post office takes a while to send the mail out, sometimes longer than expected. Give a benefit of the doubt and wait at least a half a month before starting a case.
Commandzonealters auctioned $9000 in cards over couple of weeks without shipping anything to customers. They now claim someone else hacked their account and are working with eBay to resolve. But it's same people who earlier in this thread were scamming people using acesalteredcards, funny coincidence. I'm out $800, other people out 8800$. Big scam
Well eric klug isn't an mtg artist but for some of his best alterations he'll charge over $50 especially for complete redos not just extended original art. They have such a smaller canvass to work with so the detail involved can be incredible.
Dude I know a lot of alters look like crap and trade/sell poorly, but have you SEEN Klug's work? His Escher Maze of Ith and his Van Gogh restoration of a horrifically sharpied Library of Alexandria are outstanding achievements. There aren't that many ways to make altering a piece of power an improvement but he reliably does exactly that and should not be considered part of the same field as most alterers.
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He charges $50 to make your card worth more, but only be tradeable to people who, apparently, are not you.
As a person who does not like the original artwork on many cards, I've paid quite a bit to have them improved.
I have paid up to $100 and the last Terese Nielsen altered card I saw (a Hugh Jackman Force of Will) closed at over $700.
A Terese Nielsen altered FoW sold for $700 because she's the artist of FoW, and she signed it and auctioned it. Anyone else doing the same artwork? Worthless. To commission her to do that, I assure you, would cost far less than $700.
Dude I know a lot of alters look like crap and trade/sell poorly, but have you SEEN Klug's work? His Escher Maze of Ith and his Van Gogh restoration of a horrifically sharpied Library of Alexandria are outstanding achievements. There aren't that many ways to make altering a piece of power an improvement but he reliably does exactly that and should not be considered part of the same field as most alterers.
I'm not saying it doesn't look nice, but a canvas would be a better things to have him paint on than an expensive card.
A piece of power is worth X, when the artist alters it and signs it, X increases, when someone else touches it with anything, X drops to nothing. Regardless of the arts' quality. An altered card is technically damaged. A signed card is technically damaged.
Sure, it may be worth something to you, but no dealer would ever take it, no store would ever care, you might be able to eBay it for it's full price, maybe more, but it's doubtful. In everyone's mind but yours, the cards have become ruined, and when you go to a tournament and get deck checked and the head judge says your altered card has too much paint on it to allow it to be played, which is always a good 50/50 unless every card is altered, it's doubly not worth it, as now you have a worthless and unplayable card.
Hyperbole is fun and all, but... it can obfuscate all of the information needed for your stance to be construable as an argument.
For anything where the value is worth caring about you'll be using sleeves. As such an alter is, in fact, still that card. Badly altered FoW's may not be worth much, but that's great if you need that first playset. For any decent alter the market gets smaller but there's still plenty of value... and the card is still that card. Ask the folks getting by on horrendously ganked revised duals how much something "actually being that card" is worth.
Are there plenty of folks who hate alters? Sure, you're one of them. That's a fine attitude and I rely on that sort of feeling with regards to other matters (reprints with post-8th borders, etc.) when supporting my own rather extreme opinion on other matters with my own hyperbole.
Hyperbole is fun and all, but... it can obfuscate all of the information needed for your stance to be construable as an argument.
For anything where the value is worth caring about you'll be using sleeves. As such an alter is, in fact, still that card. Badly altered FoW's may not be worth much, but that's great if you need that first playset. For any decent alter the market gets smaller but there's still plenty of value... and the card is still that card. Ask the folks getting by on horrendously ganked revised duals how much something "actually being that card" is worth.
Are there plenty of folks who hate alters? Sure, you're one of them. That's a fine attitude and I rely on that sort of feeling with regards to other matters (reprints with post-8th borders, etc.) when supporting my own rather extreme opinion on other matters with my own hyperbole.
Hyperbole? I never said terrible art ruined cards, I said alters done by anyone but the card's artist ruins cards.
I'm all for altered cards, so long as it's done by the person who's name goes under the rule's text.
For the record I've been defining worthless as 'unsellable'.
Hyperbole? I never said terrible art ruined cards, I said alters done by anyone but the card's artist ruins cards.
I'm all for altered cards, so long as it's done by the person who's name goes under the rule's text.
For the record I've been defining worthless as 'unsellable'.
Is that right? I alter cards myself, and every single one that I have sold has sold for more than the original card was worth. There is a market out there for altered cards not done by the original artist, despite you not believing it.
How about you tell your opinions to Eric Klug or Cardkitty, who alter cards for a living?
Is that right? I alter cards myself, and every single one that I have sold has sold for more than the original card was worth. There is a market out there for altered cards not done by the original artist, despite you not believing it.
How about you tell your opinions to Eric Klug or Cardkitty, who alter cards for a living?
Or to me? I own/run Plaguelord Hobby Services...
Even though my prices are low, i'm good and I often receive repeat business...
Tybalt...your argument is invalid.
If you don't like alters, WHY did you comment on a thread about them? Here's a tip, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
You can dislike alters all day long, just keep it to yourself. WE know there are people like you out there. but we'd rather hear from the people who, ya know, actually buy our altered product...
Thanks, but no thanks.
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Just because random people buy things does not mean they're worth anything. And of course you regularly sell your alters for more than the worth of the card, you aren't often charging less for it, now are you?
Just because random people buy things does not mean they're worth anything. And of course you regularly sell your alters for more than the worth of the card, you aren't often charging less for it, now are you?
The very statement that people are willing to buy them does, in fact, mean that they have value.
Just because random people buy things does not mean they're worth anything. And of course you regularly sell your alters for more than the worth of the card, you aren't often charging less for it, now are you?
One of the pillars of economics
Things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them
Hyperbole? I never said terrible art ruined cards, I said alters done by anyone but the card's artist ruins cards.
I'm all for altered cards, so long as it's done by the person who's name goes under the rule's text.
I have a Sharuum the Hegemon altered by a mod on this site and I have had several offers higher than the market price (like over 15x the value to be precise).
The very statement that people are willing to buy them does, in fact, mean that they have value.
that ^
You wont see me ever running out and buying a Coach purse but that doesn't mean they are worth nothing. Just means they are worth nothing to ME
Sure, it may be worth something to you, but no dealer would ever take it, no store would ever care, you might be able to eBay it for it's full price, maybe more, but it's doubtful. In everyone's mind but yours, the cards have become ruined, and when you go to a tournament and get deck checked and the head judge says your altered card has too much paint on it to allow it to be played, which is always a good 50/50 unless every card is altered, it's doubly not worth it, as now you have a worthless and unplayable card.
I buy altered cards because they look pretty in my EDH decks. They are precious to me so I would never sell them so why shoud I care how much a dealer would pay for them? I want cards with pretty art. I do not care who makes that pretty art. Oh and since I play EDH with my friends the cards will always be playable for me. This is why people buy altered cards.
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11 days doesn't seen long enough to start the case. Sometimes the post office takes a while to send the mail out, sometimes longer than expected. Give a benefit of the doubt and wait at least a half a month before starting a case.
So he charges $50 to make your card worthless?
He charges $50 to make your card worth more, but only be tradeable to people who, apparently, are not you.
As a person who does not like the original artwork on many cards, I've paid quite a bit to have them improved.
I have paid up to $100 and the last Terese Nielsen altered card I saw (a Hugh Jackman Force of Will) closed at over $700.
Dude I know a lot of alters look like crap and trade/sell poorly, but have you SEEN Klug's work? His Escher Maze of Ith and his Van Gogh restoration of a horrifically sharpied Library of Alexandria are outstanding achievements. There aren't that many ways to make altering a piece of power an improvement but he reliably does exactly that and should not be considered part of the same field as most alterers.
Thanks to Gabgabdevo for the awesome sig image!
I'm always looking for foil Madcap Skills and Ghitu Fire-Eater, [trade thread link forthcoming]
A Terese Nielsen altered FoW sold for $700 because she's the artist of FoW, and she signed it and auctioned it. Anyone else doing the same artwork? Worthless. To commission her to do that, I assure you, would cost far less than $700.
I'm not saying it doesn't look nice, but a canvas would be a better things to have him paint on than an expensive card.
A piece of power is worth X, when the artist alters it and signs it, X increases, when someone else touches it with anything, X drops to nothing. Regardless of the arts' quality. An altered card is technically damaged. A signed card is technically damaged.
Sure, it may be worth something to you, but no dealer would ever take it, no store would ever care, you might be able to eBay it for it's full price, maybe more, but it's doubtful. In everyone's mind but yours, the cards have become ruined, and when you go to a tournament and get deck checked and the head judge says your altered card has too much paint on it to allow it to be played, which is always a good 50/50 unless every card is altered, it's doubly not worth it, as now you have a worthless and unplayable card.
For anything where the value is worth caring about you'll be using sleeves. As such an alter is, in fact, still that card. Badly altered FoW's may not be worth much, but that's great if you need that first playset. For any decent alter the market gets smaller but there's still plenty of value... and the card is still that card. Ask the folks getting by on horrendously ganked revised duals how much something "actually being that card" is worth.
Are there plenty of folks who hate alters? Sure, you're one of them. That's a fine attitude and I rely on that sort of feeling with regards to other matters (reprints with post-8th borders, etc.) when supporting my own rather extreme opinion on other matters with my own hyperbole.
Hyperbole? I never said terrible art ruined cards, I said alters done by anyone but the card's artist ruins cards.
I'm all for altered cards, so long as it's done by the person who's name goes under the rule's text.
For the record I've been defining worthless as 'unsellable'.
Is that right? I alter cards myself, and every single one that I have sold has sold for more than the original card was worth. There is a market out there for altered cards not done by the original artist, despite you not believing it.
How about you tell your opinions to Eric Klug or Cardkitty, who alter cards for a living?
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Or to me? I own/run Plaguelord Hobby Services...
Even though my prices are low, i'm good and I often receive repeat business...
Tybalt...your argument is invalid.
If you don't like alters, WHY did you comment on a thread about them? Here's a tip, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
You can dislike alters all day long, just keep it to yourself. WE know there are people like you out there. but we'd rather hear from the people who, ya know, actually buy our altered product...
Thanks, but no thanks.
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there is a big market for alters. i'm part of that market. i spend 50-150 dollars on altered items (playmats/cards) just about every month.
this month I brought a 30 dollar batman alter and a 55 dollar playmat.
trading for alters is difficult though if it is not the Original Alterist. People tend to value alters they brought too highly.
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The very statement that people are willing to buy them does, in fact, mean that they have value.
One of the pillars of economics
Things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them
I have a Sharuum the Hegemon altered by a mod on this site and I have had several offers higher than the market price (like over 15x the value to be precise).
that ^
You wont see me ever running out and buying a Coach purse but that doesn't mean they are worth nothing. Just means they are worth nothing to ME
I buy altered cards because they look pretty in my EDH decks. They are precious to me so I would never sell them so why shoud I care how much a dealer would pay for them? I want cards with pretty art. I do not care who makes that pretty art. Oh and since I play EDH with my friends the cards will always be playable for me. This is why people buy altered cards.
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Bolas x Kokusho 4eva!!! <3
Read their story here!
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