I can't really see an issue with this. You could leave Clones and other such cards worded as they and everything should be OK ? Anyone see any rules issues or brokenness that would result from such a keyword ?
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Maybe I'm not understanding you right, but I'm not really seeing how this would work as a keyword. Typically when you have a keyword it will have the same effect in every instance, or it will include a number with it that indicates doing a certain action that many times. However, with enters the battlefield effects, they generally have widely differing effects depending on the card. If it just had a keyword, that wouldn't really tell you what the effect was. Also, if you chose to print the keyword and also the specific effect, it could confuse some players if they associate the keyword with the entire effect rather than just with the enter the battlefield portion. Like I said, it's possible that I'm misunderstanding your idea. Maybe you could give an example to clarify?
I don't see why it needs to be. It could only be an ability word. And it would only add MORE text. Its only four words and the cardname to be saved, in exchange for adding a bunch of reminder text to every card for a loooong time. Plus, this effect is used on a ton of cards, and once it loses reminder text, its just a brand new word for new players to remember - all for the sake of four words.
Advent - Destroy target nonblack creature (when this creature enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature)
Or
When Dakmor Lancer enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
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Basically, replace Keyword with "When this enters the battlefield,"
Oh, I see now. I suppose that could work, but it doesn't really seem necessary because you still have to keep the rest of the effect text. All it would really do is shave a few words of text off of some cards, which isn't really needed IMO.
I don't see why it needs to be. It could only be an ability word. And it would only add MORE text. Its only four words and the cardname to be saved, in exchange for adding a bunch of reminder text to every card for a loooong time. Plus, this effect is used on a ton of cards, and once it loses reminder text, its just a brand new word for new players to remember - all for the sake of four words.
Advent - Destroy target nonblack creature (when this creature enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature)
Or
When Dakmor Lancer enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature.
You can't really include the reminder text when you consider how much text you would save (or add) by using a key word. Plenty of already existing key words have a super long reminder texts for them. The point of a key word is to make a common action in play uniform in the way it's expressed on the card (and simpler) for printing.
reminder text isn't required, so when you don't use it, you cut out a lot.
In addition there are lots of cards that interact with ETB. Electropotence would read "Creatures you control have Advent 2R: This creature deals damage equal to its power to target creature or player"
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As a side note, since they did just key word goes to graveyard from play as Dies... it would seem like Birth or some variant of it might be an appropriate keyword for ETB.
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I believe reminder text is only on the cards first printing ? or a mechanics first printing ? I know theres some stipulation which would lead to reminder text being removed at sometime, which in turn should leave you with a smaller printer area.
I also find reading "When this thing enter the battlefield you may do something" becomes clunky ever since they gave everything a keyword.
The lack of reminder text on dies shows how this change doesn't require a long time of reminder text to affect the current status.
Funny, I thought of that right when I clicked "Last post".
Birth doesn't make much sense, given the flavor of the game. Summon does, since you're literally summoning or creating something out the Interplanar Aether.
However, I think "When ~ enters the battlefield..." is just fine. You'd only cut out one word, going to "When ~ is summoned..." and then it just starts sounding like Yugioh.
I suppose I had been thinking of it wrong. Still, "is summoned" isn't much shorter than "enters the battlefield". I don't see why they would make the change - especially since any word will sound weird and cause a lot of new player confusion. Enters the battlefield is very clear.
We need a word that makes sense when you:
Pay mana for a creature card and put it on the stack
Cheat it into play with Sneak Attack or Quicksilver Amulet
Reanimate it
Flicker it
I can't think of any word or set of words that fits all of those criteria and more - other than enters the battlefield, which is simply what occurs.
I think it could go beyond a pointless ability word, look at kicker. It can do whatever it wants. The trick is finding a word that feels right and fits into other cards that trigger on it too (has to be neutral as well, because some are good some are bad). And if you do that, do you keyword death? But then on-exile/on non-specific leaving battlefield triggers are awkward. Do you clump them together? Then it can't be used to replace on death. Do you add a new keyword for 'as ~ enters the battlefield'? Haunt ruling looks either awkward or out dated with it.
That said, I could see it happening in the future. Maybe they would just leave all those questions unanswered and do their best to just replace ~ enters the battlefield with arrival and enters the battlefield with arrives, or whatever they picked. Either way I don't really care.
The current templating is fine. "Summon" already has its own (obsolete) meaning and introducing a new mechanic called "summon" would needlessly confuse returning players.
Saurus hit the nail on the head though. Dies is a vesy specific event. It must go to the graveyard from the battlefield. As well, it hits a major flavor note which drives it home.
Enters the battlefield is generally worded because it covers many bases. As mentioned, the creature can enter by being flickered, reanimated, put into play or cast legitimately. I'm hard pressed to find a word that meets all notes while maintaining flavor.
Saurus hit the nail on the head though. Dies is a vesy specific event. It must go to the graveyard from the battlefield. As well, it hits a major flavor note which drives it home.
Enters the battlefield is generally worded because it covers many bases. As mentioned, the creature can enter by being flickered, reanimated, put into play or cast legitimately. I'm hard pressed to find a word that meets all notes while maintaining flavor.
I don't buy not being able to find the proper word is what's holding it back from becoming a keyword.
EDIT: Furthermore, the keyword shouldn't have any impact on flickering, reanimated or cheat/cast. The same action happens no matter how its worded.
Perhaps I'm alone in feeling this way, but I'm not convinced that "more" keywords streamlines the game.
I wasn't a huge fan of "dies", for example. I felt there was initial confusion about whether it referred to "put into the graveyard from play" or whether it also included "exile" or "removed from play" or "leaves the battlefield". I felt the specific-ness of "put into a graveyard from play" made a lot more sense.
Similarly, I don't know how "enters the battlefield" could be more streamlined without being somewhat more confusing.
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Basically, replace Keyword with "When this enters the battlefield,"
This is the templating for an ability word, not a keyword. And ability words have no rules meaning; you've still got to use the full text (see Metalcraft).
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
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I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
I don't buy not being able to find the proper word is what's holding it back from becoming a keyword.
EDIT: Furthermore, the keyword shouldn't have any impact on flickering, reanimated or cheat/cast. The same action happens no matter how its worded.
Imagine you are a new player. You and your buddy picked up a duel deck because you had 20 bucks in your pocket.
One of the cards says "When this card is summoned, draw a card".
Easy enough, that makes sense. You cast your creature and draw a card. Then your friend casts an Oblivion Ring on it, which you gleefully Naturalize next turn. You have your creature back... but it was certainly not summoned, was it? It just came back. The rules say you draw a card, and you may or may not have read that part, but what sense does that make? You chalk it up to some weird rules thing this silly game forgot about if you read the little pamphlet, or you just continue with the game and go with what makes sense.
And why wouldn't you? Flavorful words are used because they make things shorter and simpler. Battlefield feels much better than in play and cuts down on confusion - that is what the in play zone is, after all.
Flavorful words are NOT used because they could be, or to save 11 characters on cards. They are certainly not used when they would only increase the barrier to entry, which is already quite high.
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the keyword could be "Advent"
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Basically, replace Keyword with "When this enters the battlefield,"
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Advent - Destroy target nonblack creature (when this creature enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature)
Or
When Dakmor Lancer enters the battlefield, destroy target nonblack creature.
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
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Oh, I see now. I suppose that could work, but it doesn't really seem necessary because you still have to keep the rest of the effect text. All it would really do is shave a few words of text off of some cards, which isn't really needed IMO.
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You can't really include the reminder text when you consider how much text you would save (or add) by using a key word. Plenty of already existing key words have a super long reminder texts for them. The point of a key word is to make a common action in play uniform in the way it's expressed on the card (and simpler) for printing.
reminder text isn't required, so when you don't use it, you cut out a lot.
In addition there are lots of cards that interact with ETB. Electropotence would read "Creatures you control have Advent 2R: This creature deals damage equal to its power to target creature or player"
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I also find reading "When this thing enter the battlefield you may do something" becomes clunky ever since they gave everything a keyword.
The lack of reminder text on dies shows how this change doesn't require a long time of reminder text to affect the current status.
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Funny, I thought of that right when I clicked "Last post".
Birth doesn't make much sense, given the flavor of the game. Summon does, since you're literally summoning or creating something out the Interplanar Aether.
However, I think "When ~ enters the battlefield..." is just fine. You'd only cut out one word, going to "When ~ is summoned..." and then it just starts sounding like Yugioh.
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We need a word that makes sense when you:
Pay mana for a creature card and put it on the stack
Cheat it into play with Sneak Attack or Quicksilver Amulet
Reanimate it
Flicker it
I can't think of any word or set of words that fits all of those criteria and more - other than enters the battlefield, which is simply what occurs.
That said, I could see it happening in the future. Maybe they would just leave all those questions unanswered and do their best to just replace ~ enters the battlefield with arrival and enters the battlefield with arrives, or whatever they picked. Either way I don't really care.
Enters the battlefield is generally worded because it covers many bases. As mentioned, the creature can enter by being flickered, reanimated, put into play or cast legitimately. I'm hard pressed to find a word that meets all notes while maintaining flavor.
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I don't buy not being able to find the proper word is what's holding it back from becoming a keyword.
EDIT: Furthermore, the keyword shouldn't have any impact on flickering, reanimated or cheat/cast. The same action happens no matter how its worded.
I wasn't a huge fan of "dies", for example. I felt there was initial confusion about whether it referred to "put into the graveyard from play" or whether it also included "exile" or "removed from play" or "leaves the battlefield". I felt the specific-ness of "put into a graveyard from play" made a lot more sense.
Similarly, I don't know how "enters the battlefield" could be more streamlined without being somewhat more confusing.
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Imagine you are a new player. You and your buddy picked up a duel deck because you had 20 bucks in your pocket.
One of the cards says "When this card is summoned, draw a card".
Easy enough, that makes sense. You cast your creature and draw a card. Then your friend casts an Oblivion Ring on it, which you gleefully Naturalize next turn. You have your creature back... but it was certainly not summoned, was it? It just came back. The rules say you draw a card, and you may or may not have read that part, but what sense does that make? You chalk it up to some weird rules thing this silly game forgot about if you read the little pamphlet, or you just continue with the game and go with what makes sense.
And why wouldn't you? Flavorful words are used because they make things shorter and simpler. Battlefield feels much better than in play and cuts down on confusion - that is what the in play zone is, after all.
Flavorful words are NOT used because they could be, or to save 11 characters on cards. They are certainly not used when they would only increase the barrier to entry, which is already quite high.
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