Wow. She sounded reasonable to me. Everyone in here seems butthurt to read affirmation that their favorite hobby is considered 'nerdy' by mainsteam media. Stop living in denial.
i dont see how magic the gathering being a sort of "omg i cant go out with this guy" sign is reasonable... i mean she met the guy and thought he was pretty normal. If he had been a sneering obese nerd, that is one thing, but she condemns him purely on the basis that he plays magic.
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Wow. She sounded reasonable to me. Everyone in here seems butthurt to read affirmation that their favorite hobby is considered 'nerdy' by mainsteam media. Stop living in denial.
Gizmodo is hardly 'mainstream' media. You can choose to not date someone because they're nerdy. You can choose to not date someone because they're a sports fanatic. You can choose to not date someone for pretty much any reason. Deciding to take your "I'm not going to date someone because of X" and then shout that view from the mountaintop of a website read largely by a nerdy demographic with a "and just deal with it" ending is in pretty poor taste.
She would have sounded reasonable if her article actually contained the message "you should date people with whom you can share time and hobbies." Her message was "hahaha Magic, not going to date you!"
i dont see how magic the gathering being a sort of "omg i cant go out with this guy" sign is reasonable... i mean she met the guy and thought he was pretty normal. If he had been a sneering obese nerd, that is one thing, but she condemns him purely on the basis that he plays magic.
Everyone's got their thing.
If I went out with a girl who chewed her nails, I'd probably just find every way possible to end the date then and there. It being my biggest pet peeve.
I agree that she was not very nice and that her immaturity truly "outshines" any other potential qualities though.
I don't think she's a ***** for it though. I'd never date fat girls cuz...they're not attractive, no matter how smart or interesting they may be. So it's not abnormal for someone to not want to date someone else because they find their hobbies too nerdy.
i dont see how magic the gathering being a sort of "omg i cant go out with this guy" sign is reasonable... i mean she met the guy and thought he was pretty normal. If he had been a sneering obese nerd, that is one thing, but she condemns him purely on the basis that he plays magic.
No, she asked him questions that are reasonable.
Did he still play? "Yes." Strike one. How often? "I'm preparing for a tournament this weekend." Strike two. Who did he hang out with? "I've met all my best friends through Magic." Strike three.
If I was considering a relationship with someone, I would not want to date someone who:
1. Has a major passion for something I have no interest in and can't see myself getting into.
2. Spends a great deal of time on that hobby (no time together)
3. All of their friends are through this hobby (can't find mutual interests in friends).
Personally, that doesn't sound like dating material to me. Maybe it does to you though, if you fit the 'loser' criteria that you're so scared of.
It has less to do with the Magic aspect, all of you becoming so defensive in this thread are only making you seem insecure with yourself.
Did he still play? "Yes." Strike one. How often? "I'm preparing for a tournament this weekend." Strike two. Who did he hang out with? "I've met all my best friends through Magic." Strike three.
If I was considering a relationship with someone, I would not want to date someone who:
1. Has a major passion for something I have no interest in and can't see myself getting into.
2. Spends a great deal of time on that hobby (no time together)
3. All of their friends are through this hobby (can't find mutual interests in friends).
Personally, that doesn't sound like dating material to me. Maybe it does to you though, if you fit the 'loser' criteria that you're so scared of.
It has less to do with the Magic aspect, all of you becoming so defensive in this thread are only making you seem insecure with yourself.
The problem is you're the one attributing reasoning to the author that she does not present herself. You're also presenting reasoning that doesn't fit the tone of her article either. If she had those explanations her article would be reasonable. In fact she defends and presents her reasoning as
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And says nothing about the reasoning you are attributing to her.
Again, I have no problem with her being not being able to date someone whose life is all about it, it makes sense. It's just not her thing, she prefers drinking, and romantic nights. That's fine(And, no, not trying to completely call her a drunkard, just partially. She might just be a social drinker, and have been drunk one night, who am I to call it?)
You go out with someone once, you find out they are a bit overweight but that it was hard to see fromtheir profile picture. Now, do you just tell them the date was just not going well, and you apologize, but you don't want to go out again?
....Or do you slander them over the internet, possibly after flat out calling them a whale(btw, this behaviour is always inappropriate) and leaving them at a table?
I don't care what she thinks of magic, or even that she has the logic of a 13 year old. I care that she's cruel.
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Wow. She sounded reasonable to me. Everyone in here seems butthurt to read affirmation that their favorite hobby is considered 'nerdy' by mainsteam media. Stop living in denial.
Sure it's nerdy, but it's also just a hobby... usually, when people say a hobby is "nerdy" honestly, they more mean the hobbiests than the hobby itself...
Sure, Mtg is nerdy, yeah, it attracts nerds, but just because someone plays it does not automatically make them undatable... I think thats why so many people are mad... sure, it didn't sound like they really hit it off, but what she chose to do in that article is to slander the hobby, and Finkel, while shoving her legitimate reasons for not wanting a third date to the side.
I'll bet there are, realistically, one hundred to five hundred girls who would lose their minds if they ended up on a blind date with Jon Finkel, and thousands who would consider dating the world MTG champion to be awesome. He should probably put that he's the Michael Jordan of MTG on his profile and he could hook himself a cute nerd.
Did he still play? "Yes." Strike one. How often? "I'm preparing for a tournament this weekend." Strike two. Who did he hang out with? "I've met all my best friends through Magic." Strike three.
If I was considering a relationship with someone, I would not want to date someone who:
1. Has a major passion for something I have no interest in and can't see myself getting into.
2. Spends a great deal of time on that hobby (no time together)
3. All of their friends are through this hobby (can't find mutual interests in friends).
Personally, that doesn't sound like dating material to me. Maybe it does to you though, if you fit the 'loser' criteria that you're so scared of.
It has less to do with the Magic aspect, all of you becoming so defensive in this thread are only making you seem insecure with yourself.
1. Having a major passion, in this case a career in magic actually increases time they spend together, because he does not have to "work" a lot.
2. Many people are married and have different passion, this is extremely common.
also, she presents it as a "shallow reason" meaning, she probably just reviles magic itself, not the deeper relationship problems. The article is not about not being able to spend time or not being able to find common interest. It is about how a guy who seemed "normal" turned out to be an "mtg player".
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Wow. She sounded reasonable to me. Everyone in here seems butthurt to read affirmation that their favorite hobby is considered 'nerdy' by mainsteam media. Stop living in denial.
What a profoundly silly, stupid article. It irks me to read a Magic champion being so thoughtlessly derided, when the same would almost certainly not happen to a world champion poker or chess player. Let alone some star athlete.
He's one of the best in the world at a deeply strategic, intellectually challenging and rewarding game. Why is that a cause for revulsion, but being the best in the world at kicking a ball into a net isn't?
I also feel like there's a weird, implicit gender bias in **** like this. Would a guy ever be commissioned to write a piece for a popular blog about how OMG!WEIRD! it was to end up on a blind date with, say, a world champion quilter?
By the way just because you don't connect on one hobby does not mean that you both have totally differing interests. Should I break up with a girl I am dating because we enjoy vastly different types of anime/manga? As long as you both share some interests then it is actually fine. Trust me this must share all interests thing is a freaking joke and only a fool would ever think that.
Even in a living together situation alone time is required or else both of those participating in the relationship will be smothered by the other if every non-working hour they are together.
I find it funny that she mentioned he was a hedge fund manager in the first part shows that she was actually impressed with him until he mentioned the M word.
As stated this is about the same as giving Tiger Woods **** for spending his life playing golf. Crap these days Finkel plays less magic I assume then Tiger does golf. So if you were married to Tiger Woods hypothetically he would be spending more time with his "hobby" then Finkel would with his.
Could you imagine if Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant was the subject of this article this would have been made fun of on ESPN for like 2 years.
She probably has some mild psychological issues, considering she both blames Objectivism for destroying her childhood while actively seeking out dates with hedge funders.
This this quite a few times this. I googled her up after the article, and found her hatchet piece on her father. I had already heard of him in the legal community (he is an attorney) and let's just say the reality did not conform to her imagination. I'm not saying the guy might never have been tough on her... I wasn't there, never met the woman... just that for as messed up as she made him sound (and oh noes! he's into controversial Aristotelian-derived philosophy! the knave!) he really really doesn't carry that reputation among others.
Alyssa Bereznak, congratulations. You have achieved yellow journalist clickbegger fame.
And you know what? Google Image Search her. Guys, you gotta know this: Jonny Magic is out of her league.
This woman will never find love. She meets a guy with a nice job and balanced interests. He doesn't do drugs, he isn't a pervert, he doesn't beat people up, he is perfect in every way, but
OH GOD HE PLAYS A GAME!!!!
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my big problem with the whole article (besides the insulting tone, and the fact that she was being utmost rude with her actions) is that she not only put it that MTG was more then a hobby, that it needed to be highlighted on a dating site. Even further, the fact that she said he "Infiltrated his way into other dates" makes it sound like he was some creeper. Personally, that was really offensive hearing stuff like that.
Truth is, if someone can't get over themselves to get over a simple fact like "HOBBIES" then they need to get themselves head checked. My best relationships have been with women who didn't hold many of my same loves (magic, anime, 80's cartoons, cosplay, video games, metal). They were able to realize that them and I were two different people and we found equal meeting grounds and explored each other.
Now this girl gets online, and Acts like because he didn't include info that he was famous at magic, that he had committed a crime? He is the WORLD CHAMPION! Stupid****************** (actually the astrix are for emphasis...not cussing on the board).
I hope her brother or whoever it was she mentioned, kicks her in the knee...her and her coworker.
My girlfirend just told me about this, because it came up at her work. I believe the Daily Dot wants to write a response to this and would like some expert opinions about Magic Players and dating. I suggested she ask here for comments / interviews.
I'm a reporter for the Daily Dot, a startup that covers stories about online communities. I'm also a non-Magic player in a happy relationship with a relatively serious Magic the Gathering player. So when I read this Gizmodo post by a woman who says dating a Magic player is a huge dealbreaker, I was surprised. To elaborate, the player in question was John Finkel.
I'm interested in speaking to serious players (pro tour qualifiers are ideal) about dating and relationship experiences, especially online dating experiences. If you'd like to be part of my article, please contact me at [email]lauren@dailydot.com[/email]. I look forward to it.
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Jon Finkel is on Reddit doing and IAMA AMA(I Am A- Jon Finkel - Ask Me Anything)
Have fun.
Oh and just so it doesn't become a fan fest of asking Finkel magic questions you might want to know the context of the AMA: He went on a date with a girl he met on OKCupid. Then the girl, a reporter for Gizmodo, did a *****y article on the date seemingly appalled at the fact that Jon Finkel was this huge person in some game called Magic: the Gathering.
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I just love the irony of the situation. She says the point of her article is to 'Google someone before you go on a date with them', but anyone who googles her will now see her being incredibly *****y and publicly badmouthing her date for no reason. Silliness.
I just love the irony of the situation. She says the point of her article is to 'Google someone before you go on a date with them', but anyone who googles her will now see her being incredibly *****y and publicly badmouthing her date for no reason. Silliness.
If she had googled properly, she would have known he had gotten a fair amount of money from winning.
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i dont see how magic the gathering being a sort of "omg i cant go out with this guy" sign is reasonable... i mean she met the guy and thought he was pretty normal. If he had been a sneering obese nerd, that is one thing, but she condemns him purely on the basis that he plays magic.
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Gizmodo is hardly 'mainstream' media. You can choose to not date someone because they're nerdy. You can choose to not date someone because they're a sports fanatic. You can choose to not date someone for pretty much any reason. Deciding to take your "I'm not going to date someone because of X" and then shout that view from the mountaintop of a website read largely by a nerdy demographic with a "and just deal with it" ending is in pretty poor taste.
She would have sounded reasonable if her article actually contained the message "you should date people with whom you can share time and hobbies." Her message was "hahaha Magic, not going to date you!"
Everyone's got their thing.
If I went out with a girl who chewed her nails, I'd probably just find every way possible to end the date then and there. It being my biggest pet peeve.
I agree that she was not very nice and that her immaturity truly "outshines" any other potential qualities though.
I don't think she's a ***** for it though. I'd never date fat girls cuz...they're not attractive, no matter how smart or interesting they may be. So it's not abnormal for someone to not want to date someone else because they find their hobbies too nerdy.
To each their own.
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No, she asked him questions that are reasonable.
Did he still play? "Yes." Strike one. How often? "I'm preparing for a tournament this weekend." Strike two. Who did he hang out with? "I've met all my best friends through Magic." Strike three.
If I was considering a relationship with someone, I would not want to date someone who:
1. Has a major passion for something I have no interest in and can't see myself getting into.
2. Spends a great deal of time on that hobby (no time together)
3. All of their friends are through this hobby (can't find mutual interests in friends).
Personally, that doesn't sound like dating material to me. Maybe it does to you though, if you fit the 'loser' criteria that you're so scared of.
It has less to do with the Magic aspect, all of you becoming so defensive in this thread are only making you seem insecure with yourself.
The problem is you're the one attributing reasoning to the author that she does not present herself. You're also presenting reasoning that doesn't fit the tone of her article either. If she had those explanations her article would be reasonable. In fact she defends and presents her reasoning as
And says nothing about the reasoning you are attributing to her.
You go out with someone once, you find out they are a bit overweight but that it was hard to see fromtheir profile picture. Now, do you just tell them the date was just not going well, and you apologize, but you don't want to go out again?
....Or do you slander them over the internet, possibly after flat out calling them a whale(btw, this behaviour is always inappropriate) and leaving them at a table?
I don't care what she thinks of magic, or even that she has the logic of a 13 year old. I care that she's cruel.
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Sure it's nerdy, but it's also just a hobby... usually, when people say a hobby is "nerdy" honestly, they more mean the hobbiests than the hobby itself...
Sure, Mtg is nerdy, yeah, it attracts nerds, but just because someone plays it does not automatically make them undatable... I think thats why so many people are mad... sure, it didn't sound like they really hit it off, but what she chose to do in that article is to slander the hobby, and Finkel, while shoving her legitimate reasons for not wanting a third date to the side.
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1. Having a major passion, in this case a career in magic actually increases time they spend together, because he does not have to "work" a lot.
2. Many people are married and have different passion, this is extremely common.
also, she presents it as a "shallow reason" meaning, she probably just reviles magic itself, not the deeper relationship problems. The article is not about not being able to spend time or not being able to find common interest. It is about how a guy who seemed "normal" turned out to be an "mtg player".
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The guy is a manager at a hedge fund that seems to specialize in real estate. He's not a career magic player.
He's one of the best in the world at a deeply strategic, intellectually challenging and rewarding game. Why is that a cause for revulsion, but being the best in the world at kicking a ball into a net isn't?
I also feel like there's a weird, implicit gender bias in **** like this. Would a guy ever be commissioned to write a piece for a popular blog about how OMG!WEIRD! it was to end up on a blind date with, say, a world champion quilter?
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Even in a living together situation alone time is required or else both of those participating in the relationship will be smothered by the other if every non-working hour they are together.
I find it funny that she mentioned he was a hedge fund manager in the first part shows that she was actually impressed with him until he mentioned the M word.
As stated this is about the same as giving Tiger Woods **** for spending his life playing golf. Crap these days Finkel plays less magic I assume then Tiger does golf. So if you were married to Tiger Woods hypothetically he would be spending more time with his "hobby" then Finkel would with his.
Could you imagine if Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant was the subject of this article this would have been made fun of on ESPN for like 2 years.
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That's why I read it on this site in the first post. . .
This this quite a few times this. I googled her up after the article, and found her hatchet piece on her father. I had already heard of him in the legal community (he is an attorney) and let's just say the reality did not conform to her imagination. I'm not saying the guy might never have been tough on her... I wasn't there, never met the woman... just that for as messed up as she made him sound (and oh noes! he's into controversial Aristotelian-derived philosophy! the knave!) he really really doesn't carry that reputation among others.
Alyssa Bereznak, congratulations. You have achieved yellow journalist clickbegger fame.
And you know what? Google Image Search her. Guys, you gotta know this: Jonny Magic is out of her league.
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This woman will never find love. She meets a guy with a nice job and balanced interests. He doesn't do drugs, he isn't a pervert, he doesn't beat people up, he is perfect in every way, but
OH GOD HE PLAYS A GAME!!!!
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Truth is, if someone can't get over themselves to get over a simple fact like "HOBBIES" then they need to get themselves head checked. My best relationships have been with women who didn't hold many of my same loves (magic, anime, 80's cartoons, cosplay, video games, metal). They were able to realize that them and I were two different people and we found equal meeting grounds and explored each other.
Now this girl gets online, and Acts like because he didn't include info that he was famous at magic, that he had committed a crime? He is the WORLD CHAMPION! Stupid****************** (actually the astrix are for emphasis...not cussing on the board).
I hope her brother or whoever it was she mentioned, kicks her in the knee...her and her coworker.
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I'm a reporter for the Daily Dot, a startup that covers stories about online communities. I'm also a non-Magic player in a happy relationship with a relatively serious Magic the Gathering player. So when I read this Gizmodo post by a woman who says dating a Magic player is a huge dealbreaker, I was surprised. To elaborate, the player in question was John Finkel.
I'm interested in speaking to serious players (pro tour qualifiers are ideal) about dating and relationship experiences, especially online dating experiences. If you'd like to be part of my article, please contact me at [email]lauren@dailydot.com[/email]. I look forward to it.
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Jon Finkel is on Reddit doing and IAMA AMA(I Am A- Jon Finkel - Ask Me Anything)
Have fun.
Oh and just so it doesn't become a fan fest of asking Finkel magic questions you might want to know the context of the AMA: He went on a date with a girl he met on OKCupid. Then the girl, a reporter for Gizmodo, did a *****y article on the date seemingly appalled at the fact that Jon Finkel was this huge person in some game called Magic: the Gathering.
If she had googled properly, she would have known he had gotten a fair amount of money from winning.
Just saying.
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