If race/class is so vital to creatures, why doesn't Hero of Bladehold produce Human soldier tokens? Do Soldiers suddenly have no race?
Looking at Standard cardpool, I see Elspeth Tiriel as well.. But then I see Conqueror's Pledge in the same cardpool. Kor Soldiers are allowed but Humans are not, apparently.
So is this just limited to 'Human' race? I haven't investigated any of the others.
Isn't this just completely arbitrary?
I'm guessing they're trying to tip-toe around Human race to avoid being overpowered. Looking around at some of the other 'good' tribes, that seems a bit laughable. (Slivers, Goblins, Elves)
Thoughts?
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If race/class is so vital to creatures, why doesn't Hero of Bladehold produce Human soldier tokens? Do Soldiers suddenly have no race?
For one, having tokens with multiple different types is ugly when playing them together. (Having all solider tokens be merely 1/1 soldiers allows you to use all the soldier tokens you previously collected as well.)
Additionally, there's no real reason why Hero of Bladehold can't train Leonin to be soldiers...
Exactly what Crypt Rat said, Mirrodin had several races on their side, and there was no human theme. Conqueror's Pledge on the other hand fit in with the kor tribal theme in zendikar. I'm willing to bet if there is a white soldier token maker in ISD than it will make human soldiers.
Because until now Wizards has, in fact, avoided making "Human" cards unless they are tied to a specific race (like the ones on Mirrodin).
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For one, having tokens with multiple different types is ugly when playing them together. (Having all solider tokens be merely 1/1 soldiers allows you to use all the soldier tokens you previously collected as well
Additionally, there's no real reason why Hero of Bladehold can't train Leonin to be soldiers...
that makes sense, if there is no flavor or mechanic reason for them to be human or leonin or whatever tokens should keep creature types at minimum.
conqueror's pledge is tied to a race and plane in flavor, elspeth tirel isn't and hero of bladehold trains soldier white creatures of any kind in flavor terms.
its a really old topic, but since we recently got alot of cards that care about being human or non-human i think they should make another erata change, especially to soldier and knight token, that are still no human (i mean we got human soldiers, soldier tokens are pictured as humans, so why not change the erata of other cards)
The token problem gets annoying if they actually print "Human, Knight" and then do "Knight" and "Human" tokens that all look like Humans in the artwork on the token, which is incredible frustratingly confusing to play with, when the creature types suddenly matter for some kind of lord either for human or knight.
For soldiers the same deal.
If a creature type of "soldier" without a race is shown, it should at least display multiple soldiers, to clarify its not a human.
There could certainly be done something to clean that mess up, or they could just stream line the tokens instead of mixing up creature types, especially multiple creature types of races and classes.
If race/class is so vital to creatures, why doesn't Hero of Bladehold produce Human soldier tokens? Do Soldiers suddenly have no race?
Looking at Standard cardpool, I see Elspeth Tiriel as well.. But then I see Conqueror's Pledge in the same cardpool. Kor Soldiers are allowed but Humans are not, apparently.
So is this just limited to 'Human' race? I haven't investigated any of the others.
Isn't this just completely arbitrary?
I'm guessing they're trying to tip-toe around Human race to avoid being overpowered. Looking around at some of the other 'good' tribes, that seems a bit laughable. (Slivers, Goblins, Elves)
Thoughts?
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Additionally, there's no real reason why Hero of Bladehold can't train Leonin to be soldiers...
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Not specifically about Hero of Bladehold, but enlightening.
that makes sense, if there is no flavor or mechanic reason for them to be human or leonin or whatever tokens should keep creature types at minimum.
conqueror's pledge is tied to a race and plane in flavor, elspeth tirel isn't and hero of bladehold trains soldier white creatures of any kind in flavor terms.
That's specifically what prompted this thread in the first place.
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For soldiers the same deal.
If a creature type of "soldier" without a race is shown, it should at least display multiple soldiers, to clarify its not a human.
There could certainly be done something to clean that mess up, or they could just stream line the tokens instead of mixing up creature types, especially multiple creature types of races and classes.
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