Greetings one and all. Welcome to my attempt at a Game of Thrones MTG set. This set will be made in the manner of the Legends set and will contain mostly legendary permanents. Meaning it will be a standalone and abnormally ratioed set.
This whole set is an experiment on card adaptation and theme from something not MTG related. So the cards are really to be seen in a Block format environment rather then things like standard. (Though commander might like this a lot)
Now this set will be based on the characters from the show and will be updated as the episodes are released. I know this will not be as detailed as basing it on the books but I find its easier to adapt from the TV medium as the character images are easier to find.
EDIT: Changing this so the sets go per season/book.
Mechanics:
- Soulbond: Perfect for loyal servants, allies and protectors.
- Card name based effects. To reflect the loyalty to the different houses of Westeros. I decided to work on a name basis instead of a subtype to prevent major abuse and rules confusion. oh and realllly long type lines
- Creature types: Lord, King and Wildling and are creature subtypes.
NOTES:
- My tap symbols seem screwed up. They show up before the manacost, please read as the normal set up (ie: <cost><tap>:)
- Still working on getting the quotes for the flavor texts. If you have some to suggest let me know.
Warning: Contains some spoilers (tried to keep it light for that, mostly family lineages are truthful)
CARDS (72 made, not all uploaded.):
Creatures: The StarksRWG (Minor U)
The Direwolves RGWU
[placeholder for Greywind] [Placeholder for Lady][Placeholder for Nymeria]
Normally I would be adamantly against the whole "name" thing for a large number of reasons, but I'm going to ignore them for now because I think in this theme and setting it actually works really well.
However, I have an alternate suggestion. I know nothing about game of thrones, but from what I've heard it seems like it has a lot to do with noble families. My guess is that each of these families has a crest. What if each card from a particular family had that family's crest as a watermark? (like those in Ravnica or SoM) Then, cards could refer to the watermarks rather than the name. This allows your cards to interact with things like lands or spells or equipment (etc.) that wouldn't normally have the family name. (This still has a whole host of issues in terms of standard magic design, especially parasitism, but i'm putting this set in an alternate reality where I ignore all of those things.)
So far you've posted pretty much only rares and mythics. If you're going to make this an actual set (specifically for limited play) I need to see more of your commons and uncommons since those are what make sets work. I can't really judge your rares because, again, I know nothing about GoT and can't compare them to the characters they represent.
So far the only thing I would suggest would be trying to make each family more distinct. Yeah, maybe characters from that family have facets of all sorts of colors, but from a practical perspective I want to make a deck based around a particular family, which means each should probably exist in 2 (but no more than 3) different colors and have some sort of mechanical identity. Think the tribes of lorwyn here.
It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
Normally I would be adamantly against the whole "name" thing for a large number of reasons, but I'm going to ignore them for now because I think in this theme and setting it actually works really well.
However, I have an alternate suggestion. I know nothing about game of thrones, but from what I've heard it seems like it has a lot to do with noble families. My guess is that each of these families has a crest. What if each card from a particular family had that family's crest as a watermark? (like those in Ravnica or SoM) Then, cards could refer to the watermarks rather than the name. This allows your cards to interact with things like lands or spells or equipment (etc.) that wouldn't normally have the family name. (This still has a whole host of issues in terms of standard magic design, especially parasitism, but i'm putting this set in an alternate reality where I ignore all of those things.)
So far you've posted pretty much only rares and mythics. If you're going to make this an actual set (specifically for limited play) I need to see more of your commons and uncommons since those are what make sets work. I can't really judge your rares because, again, I know nothing about GoT and can't compare them to the characters they represent.
So far the only thing I would suggest would be trying to make each family more distinct. Yeah, maybe characters from that family have facets of all sorts of colors, but from a practical perspective I want to make a deck based around a particular family, which means each should probably exist in 2 (but no more than 3) different colors and have some sort of mechanical identity. Think the tribes of lorwyn here.
Thank you for the comment, I am currently working on the watermarks but they are rather difficult to make for MSE. I also would not like cards to refer to something like the watermark since it is a rather lore breaking term.
So far the set rarities are all rare since well they are all unique and rather important characters. I guess this set is really hard to translate to MTG terms for actual playing because of that fact.
Well it's fine if everything is a rare, but then it's just not a set, it's just a collection of cards. It's perfectly fine to make a collection of cards, but if you wanted to make an actual set, you'd need some commons and uncommons. When you're translating something like a TV show into a set you have to extrapolate a bit. You'll have cards like a generic soldier or a generic pesant etc. etc. that never appear in the show, but you infer they exist in the world. Not everything has to be a direct translation, you have to make some stuff up to fill in space. (Either that or just make some random legends, which is fine too.)
You don't call it a water mark, you just say "Stark cards get blah". Then people will be all like "Stark, what's that?" Then maybe they see a couple of stark legends with the name "Stark" and the crest and think "oh, that must be it!" Maybe your booster packs or promotional artwork features the family names and crests on them. Maybe your rules insert or token slot has a guide to show players which symbol means which family.
If worst comes to worst, just call them "crests". Same thing, people will still know what you mean, but you don't break the flavor.
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It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
Well it's fine if everything is a rare, but then it's just not a set, it's just a collection of cards. It's perfectly fine to make a collection of cards, but if you wanted to make an actual set, you'd need some commons and uncommons. When you're translating something like a TV show into a set you have to extrapolate a bit. You'll have cards like a generic soldier or a generic pesant etc. etc. that never appear in the show, but you infer they exist in the world. Not everything has to be a direct translation, you have to make some stuff up to fill in space. (Either that or just make some random legends, which is fine too.)
You don't call it a water mark, you just say "Stark cards get blah". Then people will be all like "Stark, what's that?" Then maybe they see a couple of stark legends with the name "Stark" and the crest and think "oh, that must be it!" Maybe your booster packs or promotional artwork features the family names and crests on them. Maybe your rules insert or token slot has a guide to show players which symbol means which family.
If worst comes to worst, just call them "crests". Same thing, people will still know what you mean, but you don't break the flavor.
Hmm a good alternative there. I am working out the tweaks of "crest" making. Once I have them applied properly I will test that out for the wording.
I know this collection of cards must be hard to look over as a person that hasnt watched the series or read the books. I do apologize about any confusion it must of caused
Thank you very much for your input though, I will work on that soon.
I *love* this. Stumbled upon this by accident when I was Googling for an image of Maester Aemon. Keep up the great work! I really wish we could play with these one day.
Well, its oseems to me from the thread that this mainly comes from GoT season one, and not the whole five book world. I wouldn't dismiss the cards because of it, but some of the themes become questionable once you know more about the world.
Especially Theon. That is so off
Soulbond for example, may seem to fit if you take a lightly look at the series, but it really only works for some Houses like the Stark. It is however that much more about betrayal and deceit, and not letting that become a theme in such a set would be a miss I think. GoT is much more about Innistrad before the angel's return, with every kind of monster hiding behind a human veil instead of being so obvious.
I like some of the cards, especially Benjen Stark. That card is spot on.
''Human Coward King'' is also cute.
Another little thing, why not use the Old Card Face for these cards? I think it fits so much better than the modern one. Here's my mockup of a Joffrey card to signify it.
Yes this is a correction that I did so that I may make a more valid set out of this. So I will be working on each book/season for now and perhaps group them up later if it indeed goes all the way to 7 in the show, which I truly hope it does.
I am glad you enjoy Benjen, I has hoping the soulbound ability would show the First Ranger of the Black in a good light.
Soulbound so far is a mechanic that I am using for the truely loyal (at least so far) and the mentor type characters. Hence the Maester's and people like Hodor having it.
I did not look at the spoiler as I have yet to read past the second book, lack of time and what not.
This set is to be based on the show rather then the novels since the story is a smidge simplified and easier to seperate the characters in their respective colors.
I am glad you caught the Joffrey typing
Remember, Cowards can't block warriors!
I will see to adding more commons and such to this, I am in the middle of fixing up the house foot soldiers now.
PS: Though I do like the old card faces I think I will stick to the current one so that the split colors don't stand out more then necessary.
I *love* this. Stumbled upon this by accident when I was Googling for an image of Maester Aemon. Keep up the great work! I really wish we could play with these one day.
I am glad you found my topic then! I did notice google picking up my cards in searches which is actually pretty cool if it brings more people along.
NOTE: I am currently working on a betrayal mechanic but kind of drawing a blank, feel free to leave suggestions!
I agree that you should try to make some cards at different rarities if you want anybody to actually play with this. I only really like playing with custom sets in limited (not sure if anybody else feels this way).
I don't know anything about Game of Thrones (literally nothing except what was already posted in this thread), but I don't think it is unreasonable for every rare and mythic rare to be a legendary creature as long as you make sure to use flash liberally and give them some ETB or LTB or dies spell effects. For a large set, that gives you space for ~60-70 main characters. Surely there aren't that many important characters?
For the commons and uncommons, just make a bunch of generic medieval type guys with branding from each of the factions.
Stark Family Blacksmith 1WW
Creature -- Human Artificer (U)
Creatures you control with the Stark crest (watermark) get +1/+0
2/2
If you don't like using watermarks/crests, you can just make up a new creature type and assume that everyone will know that they are humans. E.G.:
Free City Defender 2W
Creature -- Free City Warrior
Other Free City creatures you control get +0/+3 and defender.
0/3
You can also fill up the common and uncommon slots with a slightly higher ratio of spells, to make up for the fact that rares and mythics are all creatures (although only SLIGHTLY, since rares show up much less frequently than commons and uncommons).
This thread makes me smile. I think for the most part the characters are clearly represented, but a few are off. I'll look through again and see what I can come up with.
Since first seeing this thread I have become a fan of game of thrones (through the show, as it matters to some) and I can understand most of the designs and characters now, though now having seen the show I must admit I'm not sure it makes the best translation into a magic set. It's very character driven with very few magical elements. Again, good for a couple of legends and what not, but perhaps not a full set.
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*SPOILERS* Just a warning. My cards are semi-updated through the 3rd season and 3rd book. So, if you haven't read the third book, tread lightly because there are SPOILERS. Anyways, I've been looking online for some ideas for a Game of Thrones set. I've managed to make a bunch of cards here. I even took some ideas from the images posted in this section from a while back. When looking at the Lands, don't be worried that it says "territory acquisition" instead of "mana pool". I just thought that phrase fit better in the GoT universe better. Let me know what you think!
Between the boltons the wall and all the subterfuge and dark history burried in that place you'd think the north would be getting some black cards.
Then again I don't tend to take a very black=badguy sorta approach to things. Bad guys can exist in all colours and all sides in that story do good and awful things so it's hard for me to see breaking it up into colours.
Anyway I think it's too easy to argue over flavor in a thing like this, kudos for your great undertaking.
Awesome. Song of Ice and Fire cards! I kinda feel some of the cards have their colors off though.
In my opinion:
Theon Greyjoy - Black- He's generally an arrogant, mean-spirited fellow.
Tywin Lannister - Blue Black - He's got to be one of the most deliberate characters in the game. A serious thinker, His only motivation is the pride and power of his house
Cersei Lannister- Red/Black - She's NOT a thinker. Shee brutal and aggressive and prone to work on personal feelings over more long term plans.
Ser Jaime Lannister- Red - (till he loses his hand) He lives for battle. Doesn't really think of the future. Doesn't fight for honor but nor does he fight for personal gain. His only real motivation is his love for Cersei and his whims. And Jaime is a knight!
Denearys - Red/White - Yes, she likes dragons. But she has the biggest moral center of anyone in the entire movie. Equal only with Ser Barristan and Eddard Stark.
Syrio - He's very white. A bodyguard basically. Maybe with a little blue thrown in only because of his fighting style's controlly nature and he's so darn observant.
Bronn- Black- He's your stereotype dirty mercenary. He fights for personal gain. That is all. Sure he likes other people. Tyrion for one. But does he really CARE about Tyrion? Not unless Tyrion is paying for it.
Sandor Clegane- White- The man has done nothing his entire life but protect. He's a bitter and angry individual, true. But he serves, protects and obeys. Like a loyal hound. That is until he breaks....
Ser Barristan Selmy. Give him Ser Jorah Mormont's stats. To quote Renly "I know that old man. He needs someone to protect or who is he?" Barristan has led soldiers before but it is nowhere near his affinity. He loves knighthood. Not soldiering. He lives for his king. Barristan is a knight! He would die a knight!
And technically Jon Snow isn't a ranger. He's a steward. lol
Ser Allister Thorne is a Knight.
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"Thou shalt respect all weakness and shalt constitute thyself defender of them."
-leon Guatier Ten commandments of chivalry
Awesome. Song of Ice and Fire cards! I kinda feel some of the cards have their colors off though.
In my opinion:
Theon Greyjoy - Black- He's generally an arrogant, mean-spirited fellow.
Tywin Lannister - Blue Black - He's got to be one of the most deliberate characters in the game. A serious thinker, His only motivation is the pride and power of his house
Cersei Lannister- Red/Black - She's NOT a thinker. Shee brutal and aggressive and prone to work on personal feelings over more long term plans.
Ser Jaime Lannister- Red - (till he loses his hand) He lives for battle. Doesn't really think of the future. Doesn't fight for honor but nor does he fight for personal gain. His only real motivation is his love for Cersei and his whims. And Jaime is a knight!
Denearys - Red/White - Yes, she likes dragons. But she has the biggest moral center of anyone in the entire movie. Equal only with Ser Barristan and Eddard Stark.
Syrio - He's very white. A bodyguard basically. Maybe with a little blue thrown in only because of his fighting style's controlly nature and he's so darn observant.
Bronn- Black- He's your stereotype dirty mercenary. He fights for personal gain. That is all. Sure he likes other people. Tyrion for one. But does he really CARE about Tyrion? Not unless Tyrion is paying for it.
Sandor Clegane- White- The man has done nothing his entire life but protect. He's a bitter and angry individual, true. But he serves, protects and obeys. Like a loyal hound. That is until he breaks....
Ser Barristan Selmy. Give him Ser Jorah Mormont's stats. To quote Renly "I know that old man. He needs someone to protect or who is he?" Barristan has led soldiers before but it is nowhere near his affinity. He loves knighthood. Not soldiering. He lives for his king. Barristan is a knight! He would die a knight!
And technically Jon Snow isn't a ranger. He's a steward. lol
Ser Allister Thorne is a Knight.
I think the principle lannister villains are mostly white if anything. If taking care of your own and bringing people into the kings peace, courtly demonstrations of power and taking vengeance on those who have wronged you have always been incredibly white traits.
The fact is these houses don't fit very well into the traditional colour pie.
I think the principle lannister villains are mostly white if anything. If taking care of your own and bringing people into the kings peace, courtly demonstrations of power and taking vengeance on those who have wronged you have always been incredibly white traits.
The fact is these houses don't fit very well into the traditional colour pie.
White is not about taking caring of your own, it's about taking care of all.
White is a moral color, it does not see a world were personal feelings and wishes should play a role. White see the bigger picture.
White is about a overarching order and peace, not order and peace for you or the ones you arbitrarily choose. White is concern if with society and civilization as whole, not with it's group and family alone. White can also be concern with abstract concepts such as honor, faith and duty.
In ASoFaI context, white would be the characters who's interested in the welfare and survival of the realm, not for their families status. Character with clear white traits are Jon Snow, Tyrion, Daenerys, Barristan Selmy and Eddard.
Cersei is not even close to be white. For her the throne is a game to be owned, not the responsibility to govern a realm. She's certainly mono B, U and B or and (or Grixix).
Tywin has a mild white tendency as his a lot more orderly then his children. Since his not a POV character, it's really difficult to know what's going on in his heart but he certainly have a anti-red white trait I would say he definitely have a big black on his casting cost because of how pragmatic and apathetic he can be. I would give Tywin :symw::symb: colors.
Jaime starts of pretty and start to develop his again.
Most house we have good info can somewhat be fitted in mtg scheme, the Lannisters are a exception. That's a house on conflict.
White does a lot of saving permanents you control, hurting people who hurt you, giving all your friends and underlings bonuses, generating expendable underlings, and discriminating. I consider protection abilities, especially creature type ones to be discrimination and contemptuous forethought embodied. Maybe not in it's natural resistance form on most green creatures but certainly on red and blue and whites protection. White knows how it thinks things ought to be, and for all it's talk of justice and honor it is willing to walk right past you and your protests and do it. I bet it would claim it's ability to do it was evidence of natural righteousness and virtue too.
Does ser kevan sound like anything other than a white creature to you?
Frankly I can see cersie as some sort of tapper or prison effect or somone who gets your own guys in and out of play or combat. She just exacerbates things for most of the books or complicates things and ties people's hands. Robert wasnt an enemy creature she got rid of and it wasn't as if that was a crime of passion.
We're you playing when Akroma seemed like as much a good guy as bad guy? I always think it's so depressing when white is the colour of justice and good or at least it's the misguided into bad decisions paladin colour. What was that the septon and mormont said about how soldiers rape and sack? Which colour has got all the soldiers? I really thought asoiaf was all about dispelling these high minded misconceptions about honor and valor and glory and good guys and bad. All magical invaders aside, and maybe even with that, Tywin was probably the best thing that could have happened to the seven kingdoms.
If you think dany had altruistic reasons for wanting the thrones until like the 4th book I really don't think you are paying enough attention. She wants revenge. She wants to depose usurpers and anyone who's benefitted from the people who over threw her crazy father. She's like got herself into a real self justifying cycle that all revolves around her blood and fire thing and it takes her running amok through the world's oldest civilizations, fickle, terrifying in her wrath and obtuse in her willful lack of understanding and turning everything she touches to poop for her to understand there is more to leadership and her role as a monarch than just winning and not feeling disgusted.
Eddard may have had the honor and lawful minded thing down right but jeeze did he have no consideration for the way anyone else did things. What's good for the realm completely played second fiddle to his personal navigation and he made no effort to understand the climate he was bubbling into or the ways the realm actually worked. He was a fish out of water, with his own agenda throwing his weight around. Does feeling righteous or being trapped in a weird situation make it any better? Not really, he just knew who is friends and enemies were and played things like they were back at home.
I also think between the greyjoys you have an incredible difference.
Does victarion seem anything at all like theon or euron? What about the damphir? They get a really slim portion of blue's colour pie too if any.
I don't see a thing in common between arya and get father.
As far as I can figure, the only armies that aren't marauding and pillaging groups of rapists and murderers are stannis', tarly's and Danny's eunuchs. Asoiaf is not clean cut enough for colour pie to feel right and be able to get groups working together in reasonable ways. I'd suggest maybe making more stuff less colour dependent and focus more on say colour or faction based unlocked value bonuses. It would go farther to let characters be more versatile to adapt to the tone of their setting.
So does blue, black and green. Only the method changes.
hurting people who hurt you
It's actually hurting any aggressor as you can play condemn and alike to creatures not attacking you (attacking a ally or another player).
You forgot white removal also evolves pacifying creatures (pacifism, arrest, StP) and some of then even evolves compensation. White is really concerned about the fairness of their spells.
giving all your friends and underlings bonuses
White trusts in the workings of a group. Anthem effect is white's leadership. On this matter all colors discriminate between creature types (tribal +1/+1 bonus on tribal lords) but white have by far the broader bonuses, hitting all white creatures (ignoring types) on Crusade or even all creatures on Glorious Anthem.
generating expendable underlings
Why white tokens are classified as "expendable" ? The whole point of white tokens is to use Anthem effects to make then stronger. When white make tokens they are not doing it to sacrifice then.
I consider protection abilities, especially creature type ones to be discrimination and contemptuous forethought embodied. Maybe not in it's natural resistance form on most green creatures but certainly on red and blue and whites protection. White knows how it thinks things ought to be, and for all it's talk of justice and honor it is willing to walk right past you and your protests and do it. I bet it would claim it's ability to do it was evidence of natural righteousness and virtue too.
You consider things wrong. A creature block is not a protest.
Protection mechanic is simply white's mana tendency to protect instead of harm.
Does ser kevan sound like anything other than a white creature to you?
Oh Kevan is surely a white creature, but his very different from Cersei and Joffrey.
Kevans animosity towards Cersei is actually a demonstration of white vs. black view on things.
Frankly I can see cersie as some sort of tapper or prison effect or somone who gets your own guys in and out of play or combat.
Cersei is only protective to their children and she protects then in aggressive way, like moving faster then her opponents. Cersei do not focus her energy on protecting her children, she destroy enemy creatures before they go out of summoning sickness and discard dangerous cards from a opponents hand.
Robert wasnt an enemy creature she got rid of and it wasn't as if that was a crime of passion.
Robert was a allied creature and was sacrificed for her own gain. What color does that ?
We're you playing when Akroma seemed like as much a good guy as bad guy? I always think it's so depressing when white is the colour of justice and good or at least it's the misguided into bad decisions paladin colour. What was that the septon and mormont said about how soldiers rape and sack? Which colour has got all the soldiers?
I was and Akroma was the typical white "villain". I'm not saying white can't be misguided, I'm just challenging the point that you believe the Lannister villains (Tywin, Cersei, Jofrey) were white. If you take a white Villain such as Akroma or Konda and look at the Lanisters you see there's a world of difference between their motivations and attitudes.
White soldiers and ASoFaI soldiers are not the same. In general magic is much more fantasy then AsoFaI. White's soldiers and knights are the ones on Sansa's songs and dreams, not the "real" ones.
I really thought asoiaf was all about dispelling these high minded misconceptions about honor and valor and glory and good guys and bad. All magical invaders aside, and maybe even with that, Tywin was probably the best thing that could have happened to the seven kingdoms.
You thought wrong. Asoiaf is about a lot of things but most definitely not a moral limbo. It does not place 'evil' characters in the position of honor, in any moment. It definitely throws some 'real world' light on chivalry hood and really shows a 'not so righteous' part of the white pie but this part is definitely not tied to Cersei and Jofrey.
About Tywin being good for the realm, you're pretty crazy. He pillaged King's Landing in the past and completely devastated the river lands. He left a army of rapist psychopatic murders run rampart to cause chaos and disable his enemy's advance. Would any Stark ever do what Tywin did ? No - they would prefer to loose their heads, like they ****ing did. That's the difference between a white and a non-white character.
If you think dany had altruistic reasons for wanting the thrones until like the 4th book I really don't think you are paying enough attention. She wants revenge. She wants to depose usurpers and anyone who's benefitted from the people who over threw her crazy father. She's like got herself into a real self justifying cycle that all revolves around her blood and fire thing and it takes her running amok through the world's oldest civilizations, fickle, terrifying in her wrath and obtuse in her willful lack of understanding and turning everything she touches to poop for her to understand there is more to leadership and her role as a monarch than just winning and not feeling disgusted.
In the first book Daenerys is just a victim of circumstances. Her real motivations is more about survive the brutal Dothraki world then anything. When she was young, it was offered her the opportunity to not leave the house with the red door, she wouldn't.
It's only when a assassination attempt is done against her she starts to taking her war against Westeros seriously. But in all circumstance she puts her people and even the slaves she freed in front of her ambition. She could have choose to stay on the east for the sake of the people, delaying her revenge and her throne. Do you seriously think that Cersei in her position would do it ? Cersei would let the slave's siffering trouble her in her journey to power ?
Eddard may have had the honor and lawful minded thing down right but jeeze did he have no consideration for the way anyone else did things. What's good for the realm completely played second fiddle to his personal navigation and he made no effort to understand the climate he was bubbling into or the ways the realm actually worked. He was a fish out of water, with his own agenda throwing his weight around. Does feeling righteous or being trapped in a weird situation make it any better? Not really, he just knew who is friends and enemies were and played things like they were back at home.
Yep. Doing what's right even if you loose. Scream white all the day. The only thing we may agree.
timckmorse - I love what you did with these cards and love the game of thrones. I actually printed all your cards so my friends and I can play them. I noticed 1 card "King's Crown" an Artifact has no casting cost. Everything else looks great.
Everyone else needs to relax about the colors. I wouldn't change anything (because I printed them all already) and the characters change from season to season so you can't keep changing the colors based on how any character acts during 1 season because the next season their personality and attitude might change. I have read all 5 books so far so I know what to expect from all the characters over the next few seasons.
That is all of my Stark cards. The set is complete through season 4. Will post em on here when I can. As of now, the Starks and Landowners are on imgur.
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This whole set is an experiment on card adaptation and theme from something not MTG related. So the cards are really to be seen in a Block format environment rather then things like standard. (Though commander might like this a lot)
Now this set will be based on the characters from the show and will be updated as the episodes are released. I know this will not be as detailed as basing it on the books but I find its easier to adapt from the TV medium as the character images are easier to find.
EDIT: Changing this so the sets go per season/book.
Mechanics:
- Soulbond: Perfect for loyal servants, allies and protectors.
- Card name based effects. To reflect the loyalty to the different houses of Westeros. I decided to work on a name basis instead of a subtype to prevent major abuse and rules confusion. oh and realllly long type lines
- Creature types: Lord, King and Wildling and are creature subtypes.
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- My tap symbols seem screwed up. They show up before the manacost, please read as the normal set up (ie: <cost><tap>:)
- Still working on getting the quotes for the flavor texts. If you have some to suggest let me know.
Warning: Contains some spoilers (tried to keep it light for that, mostly family lineages are truthful)
CARDS (72 made, not all uploaded.):
Creatures:
The Starks RWG (Minor U)
The Direwolves RGWU
Winterfell Entourage GRWU
The Lannisters UWBR
The Baratheons WGRU
The Targaryans RB
The Dothraki WR
Free Cities and other Easterners WUBR
King's Landing Entourage RWUB
The Small Council UWB
The Night's Watch [mana]GWUR
Artifacts
The Lands
You cannot outrun the beast within.
I like the impressive number of cards you have here, and I may comment more as I go through them all.
Using the card name for effects is a nice touch and makes sense with all the importance put on family or "houses".
Everything combos with Tombstone Stairwell.
However, I have an alternate suggestion. I know nothing about game of thrones, but from what I've heard it seems like it has a lot to do with noble families. My guess is that each of these families has a crest. What if each card from a particular family had that family's crest as a watermark? (like those in Ravnica or SoM) Then, cards could refer to the watermarks rather than the name. This allows your cards to interact with things like lands or spells or equipment (etc.) that wouldn't normally have the family name. (This still has a whole host of issues in terms of standard magic design, especially parasitism, but i'm putting this set in an alternate reality where I ignore all of those things.)
So far you've posted pretty much only rares and mythics. If you're going to make this an actual set (specifically for limited play) I need to see more of your commons and uncommons since those are what make sets work. I can't really judge your rares because, again, I know nothing about GoT and can't compare them to the characters they represent.
So far the only thing I would suggest would be trying to make each family more distinct. Yeah, maybe characters from that family have facets of all sorts of colors, but from a practical perspective I want to make a deck based around a particular family, which means each should probably exist in 2 (but no more than 3) different colors and have some sort of mechanical identity. Think the tribes of lorwyn here.
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Thank you for the comment, I am currently working on the watermarks but they are rather difficult to make for MSE. I also would not like cards to refer to something like the watermark since it is a rather lore breaking term.
So far the set rarities are all rare since well they are all unique and rather important characters. I guess this set is really hard to translate to MTG terms for actual playing because of that fact.
I will look into varying the rarities a bit.
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You don't call it a water mark, you just say "Stark cards get blah". Then people will be all like "Stark, what's that?" Then maybe they see a couple of stark legends with the name "Stark" and the crest and think "oh, that must be it!" Maybe your booster packs or promotional artwork features the family names and crests on them. Maybe your rules insert or token slot has a guide to show players which symbol means which family.
If worst comes to worst, just call them "crests". Same thing, people will still know what you mean, but you don't break the flavor.
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Hmm a good alternative there. I am working out the tweaks of "crest" making. Once I have them applied properly I will test that out for the wording.
I know this collection of cards must be hard to look over as a person that hasnt watched the series or read the books. I do apologize about any confusion it must of caused
Thank you very much for your input though, I will work on that soon.
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Yes this is a correction that I did so that I may make a more valid set out of this. So I will be working on each book/season for now and perhaps group them up later if it indeed goes all the way to 7 in the show, which I truly hope it does.
I am glad you enjoy Benjen, I has hoping the soulbound ability would show the First Ranger of the Black in a good light.
Soulbound so far is a mechanic that I am using for the truely loyal (at least so far) and the mentor type characters. Hence the Maester's and people like Hodor having it.
I did not look at the spoiler as I have yet to read past the second book, lack of time and what not.
This set is to be based on the show rather then the novels since the story is a smidge simplified and easier to seperate the characters in their respective colors.
I am glad you caught the Joffrey typing
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I will see to adding more commons and such to this, I am in the middle of fixing up the house foot soldiers now.
PS: Though I do like the old card faces I think I will stick to the current one so that the split colors don't stand out more then necessary.
I am glad you found my topic then! I did notice google picking up my cards in searches which is actually pretty cool if it brings more people along.
NOTE: I am currently working on a betrayal mechanic but kind of drawing a blank, feel free to leave suggestions!
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I don't know anything about Game of Thrones (literally nothing except what was already posted in this thread), but I don't think it is unreasonable for every rare and mythic rare to be a legendary creature as long as you make sure to use flash liberally and give them some ETB or LTB or dies spell effects. For a large set, that gives you space for ~60-70 main characters. Surely there aren't that many important characters?
For the commons and uncommons, just make a bunch of generic medieval type guys with branding from each of the factions.
Stark Family Blacksmith 1WW
Creature -- Human Artificer (U)
Creatures you control with the Stark crest (watermark) get +1/+0
2/2
If you don't like using watermarks/crests, you can just make up a new creature type and assume that everyone will know that they are humans. E.G.:
Free City Defender 2W
Creature -- Free City Warrior
Other Free City creatures you control get +0/+3 and defender.
0/3
You can also fill up the common and uncommon slots with a slightly higher ratio of spells, to make up for the fact that rares and mythics are all creatures (although only SLIGHTLY, since rares show up much less frequently than commons and uncommons).
As prompted by certain threads on the forums, I'm now certain that the planeswalkers in DGM will be.... Ral Zarek, Morsel of the Firemind.
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Then again I don't tend to take a very black=badguy sorta approach to things. Bad guys can exist in all colours and all sides in that story do good and awful things so it's hard for me to see breaking it up into colours.
Anyway I think it's too easy to argue over flavor in a thing like this, kudos for your great undertaking.
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In my opinion:
Theon Greyjoy - Black- He's generally an arrogant, mean-spirited fellow.
Tywin Lannister - Blue Black - He's got to be one of the most deliberate characters in the game. A serious thinker, His only motivation is the pride and power of his house
Cersei Lannister- Red/Black - She's NOT a thinker. Shee brutal and aggressive and prone to work on personal feelings over more long term plans.
Ser Jaime Lannister- Red - (till he loses his hand) He lives for battle. Doesn't really think of the future. Doesn't fight for honor but nor does he fight for personal gain. His only real motivation is his love for Cersei and his whims. And Jaime is a knight!
Denearys - Red/White - Yes, she likes dragons. But she has the biggest moral center of anyone in the entire movie. Equal only with Ser Barristan and Eddard Stark.
Syrio - He's very white. A bodyguard basically. Maybe with a little blue thrown in only because of his fighting style's controlly nature and he's so darn observant.
Bronn- Black- He's your stereotype dirty mercenary. He fights for personal gain. That is all. Sure he likes other people. Tyrion for one. But does he really CARE about Tyrion? Not unless Tyrion is paying for it.
Sandor Clegane- White- The man has done nothing his entire life but protect. He's a bitter and angry individual, true. But he serves, protects and obeys. Like a loyal hound. That is until he breaks....
Ser Barristan Selmy. Give him Ser Jorah Mormont's stats. To quote Renly "I know that old man. He needs someone to protect or who is he?" Barristan has led soldiers before but it is nowhere near his affinity. He loves knighthood. Not soldiering. He lives for his king. Barristan is a knight! He would die a knight!
And technically Jon Snow isn't a ranger. He's a steward. lol
Ser Allister Thorne is a Knight.
-leon Guatier Ten commandments of chivalry
I think the principle lannister villains are mostly white if anything. If taking care of your own and bringing people into the kings peace, courtly demonstrations of power and taking vengeance on those who have wronged you have always been incredibly white traits.
The fact is these houses don't fit very well into the traditional colour pie.
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White is not about taking caring of your own, it's about taking care of all.
White is a moral color, it does not see a world were personal feelings and wishes should play a role. White see the bigger picture.
White is about a overarching order and peace, not order and peace for you or the ones you arbitrarily choose. White is concern if with society and civilization as whole, not with it's group and family alone. White can also be concern with abstract concepts such as honor, faith and duty.
In ASoFaI context, white would be the characters who's interested in the welfare and survival of the realm, not for their families status. Character with clear white traits are Jon Snow, Tyrion, Daenerys, Barristan Selmy and Eddard.
Cersei is not even close to be white. For her the throne is a game to be owned, not the responsibility to govern a realm. She's certainly mono B, U and B or and (or Grixix).
Tywin has a mild white tendency as his a lot more orderly then his children. Since his not a POV character, it's really difficult to know what's going on in his heart but he certainly have a anti-red white trait I would say he definitely have a big black on his casting cost because of how pragmatic and apathetic he can be. I would give Tywin :symw::symb: colors.
Jaime starts of pretty and start to develop his again.
Most house we have good info can somewhat be fitted in mtg scheme, the Lannisters are a exception. That's a house on conflict.
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Does ser kevan sound like anything other than a white creature to you?
Frankly I can see cersie as some sort of tapper or prison effect or somone who gets your own guys in and out of play or combat. She just exacerbates things for most of the books or complicates things and ties people's hands. Robert wasnt an enemy creature she got rid of and it wasn't as if that was a crime of passion.
We're you playing when Akroma seemed like as much a good guy as bad guy? I always think it's so depressing when white is the colour of justice and good or at least it's the misguided into bad decisions paladin colour. What was that the septon and mormont said about how soldiers rape and sack? Which colour has got all the soldiers? I really thought asoiaf was all about dispelling these high minded misconceptions about honor and valor and glory and good guys and bad. All magical invaders aside, and maybe even with that, Tywin was probably the best thing that could have happened to the seven kingdoms.
If you think dany had altruistic reasons for wanting the thrones until like the 4th book I really don't think you are paying enough attention. She wants revenge. She wants to depose usurpers and anyone who's benefitted from the people who over threw her crazy father. She's like got herself into a real self justifying cycle that all revolves around her blood and fire thing and it takes her running amok through the world's oldest civilizations, fickle, terrifying in her wrath and obtuse in her willful lack of understanding and turning everything she touches to poop for her to understand there is more to leadership and her role as a monarch than just winning and not feeling disgusted.
Eddard may have had the honor and lawful minded thing down right but jeeze did he have no consideration for the way anyone else did things. What's good for the realm completely played second fiddle to his personal navigation and he made no effort to understand the climate he was bubbling into or the ways the realm actually worked. He was a fish out of water, with his own agenda throwing his weight around. Does feeling righteous or being trapped in a weird situation make it any better? Not really, he just knew who is friends and enemies were and played things like they were back at home.
I also think between the greyjoys you have an incredible difference.
Does victarion seem anything at all like theon or euron? What about the damphir? They get a really slim portion of blue's colour pie too if any.
I don't see a thing in common between arya and get father.
As far as I can figure, the only armies that aren't marauding and pillaging groups of rapists and murderers are stannis', tarly's and Danny's eunuchs. Asoiaf is not clean cut enough for colour pie to feel right and be able to get groups working together in reasonable ways. I'd suggest maybe making more stuff less colour dependent and focus more on say colour or faction based unlocked value bonuses. It would go farther to let characters be more versatile to adapt to the tone of their setting.
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So does blue, black and green. Only the method changes.
It's actually hurting any aggressor as you can play condemn and alike to creatures not attacking you (attacking a ally or another player).
You forgot white removal also evolves pacifying creatures (pacifism, arrest, StP) and some of then even evolves compensation. White is really concerned about the fairness of their spells.
White trusts in the workings of a group. Anthem effect is white's leadership. On this matter all colors discriminate between creature types (tribal +1/+1 bonus on tribal lords) but white have by far the broader bonuses, hitting all white creatures (ignoring types) on Crusade or even all creatures on Glorious Anthem.
Why white tokens are classified as "expendable" ? The whole point of white tokens is to use Anthem effects to make then stronger. When white make tokens they are not doing it to sacrifice then.
You consider things wrong. A creature block is not a protest.
Protection mechanic is simply white's mana tendency to protect instead of harm.
Oh Kevan is surely a white creature, but his very different from Cersei and Joffrey.
Kevans animosity towards Cersei is actually a demonstration of white vs. black view on things.
Cersei is only protective to their children and she protects then in aggressive way, like moving faster then her opponents. Cersei do not focus her energy on protecting her children, she destroy enemy creatures before they go out of summoning sickness and discard dangerous cards from a opponents hand.
Robert was a allied creature and was sacrificed for her own gain. What color does that ?
I was and Akroma was the typical white "villain". I'm not saying white can't be misguided, I'm just challenging the point that you believe the Lannister villains (Tywin, Cersei, Jofrey) were white. If you take a white Villain such as Akroma or Konda and look at the Lanisters you see there's a world of difference between their motivations and attitudes.
White soldiers and ASoFaI soldiers are not the same. In general magic is much more fantasy then AsoFaI. White's soldiers and knights are the ones on Sansa's songs and dreams, not the "real" ones.
You thought wrong. Asoiaf is about a lot of things but most definitely not a moral limbo. It does not place 'evil' characters in the position of honor, in any moment. It definitely throws some 'real world' light on chivalry hood and really shows a 'not so righteous' part of the white pie but this part is definitely not tied to Cersei and Jofrey.
About Tywin being good for the realm, you're pretty crazy. He pillaged King's Landing in the past and completely devastated the river lands. He left a army of rapist psychopatic murders run rampart to cause chaos and disable his enemy's advance. Would any Stark ever do what Tywin did ? No - they would prefer to loose their heads, like they ****ing did. That's the difference between a white and a non-white character.
In the first book Daenerys is just a victim of circumstances. Her real motivations is more about survive the brutal Dothraki world then anything. When she was young, it was offered her the opportunity to not leave the house with the red door, she wouldn't.
It's only when a assassination attempt is done against her she starts to taking her war against Westeros seriously. But in all circumstance she puts her people and even the slaves she freed in front of her ambition. She could have choose to stay on the east for the sake of the people, delaying her revenge and her throne. Do you seriously think that Cersei in her position would do it ? Cersei would let the slave's siffering trouble her in her journey to power ?
Yep. Doing what's right even if you loose. Scream white all the day. The only thing we may agree.
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Everyone else needs to relax about the colors. I wouldn't change anything (because I printed them all already) and the characters change from season to season so you can't keep changing the colors based on how any character acts during 1 season because the next season their personality and attitude might change. I have read all 5 books so far so I know what to expect from all the characters over the next few seasons.
That is all of my Stark cards. The set is complete through season 4. Will post em on here when I can. As of now, the Starks and Landowners are on imgur.