Possibly needs templating help and a legality check.
"Look at target opponents hand and remove from the game any number of nonland cards in his or her hand until end of turn. Until end of turn, you may play those cards without paying their mana costs at any time that player could play them. Spells played in this way come under his or her control, but you choose all targets and pay any additional costs."
My problem is Lava Axe. Oh yes, another Lava Axe question. Seriously, you're playing their card for them basically, so what do you do in the case of "target opponent"? I was thinking "You have to target them, so you target them as your opponent, spell goes on the stack, there's a legality check on resolution, its an illegal target, and fizzle."
But maybe there's a way that it can still target you or a way to make it have to target you? Help me out.
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Getting the last word does not mean that you win the argument.
Lava Axe says nothing about opponent.
Now, if you want a card like Ravenous Rats, you can't choose an illegal target. "An opponent" is the opponent of whoever is playing the spell. If they are playing the spell, even if you are controlling them, they are still playing the spell and can only target one of their opponents (you).
You play the opponent's Lava Axe: Can zap anybody you choose.
You play the opponent's Ravenous Rats: Only you are the legal target.
See Word of Command for the correct templating. The way you word it does not work.
Lava Axe says nothing about opponent.
Now, if you want a card like Ravenous Rats, you can't choose an illegal target. "An opponent" is the opponent of whoever is playing the spell. If they are playing the spell, even if you are controlling them, they are still playing the spell and can only target one of their opponents (you).
You play the opponent's Lava Axe: Can zap anybody you choose.
You play the opponent's Ravenous Rats: Only you are the legal target.
See Word of Command for the correct templating. The way you word it does not work.
Thanks a lot. I don't know why I thought Axe was "target opponent" nor do I know why I didn't bother checking.
Edit: Current templating:
Look at target opponents hand and reveal any number of cards in his or her hand until end of turn. You may have that player play a revealed card without paying its mana cost at any time they may legally play it. You make all decisions it calls for.
Now, I'm not so much concerned with the templating as I am with additional costs and searching. Tooth and Nail is a great example of this. If I made an opponent play a Tooth, would they have to pay the 2 for entwine if I told them to, or is that a part of the mana cost? What about additional costs like "sacrifice a creature"? How about searching your library? If I were to Word of Command a Rampant Growth, would I search their library for the land? Would they? Shouldn't that count as a decision I should make?
You should be concerned with the templating. That player plays that card with his or her own mana, but you make all decisions it calls for.
I would say "decisions" is pretty clear. Everything that can have different outcomes depending on a choice is a decision. This includes: choosing modes, choosing target, searching for cards, choosing damage/life/X/whatever numbers/which cards in play/creatures to sacrifice or cards to discard/opponents/mana to tap/blah.
If used with a Demonic Tutor being the card the other player casts, you do not get to look through that player's library. You get to name a card for them to take. If it is in the library, they take it. If not, you name another card. Repeat until you name one that they have. [D'Angelo 1995/04/11] Remember that even on-resolution decisions are made by the Word of Command caster.
No, you do not get to look through the library... but you get to play "find that Heartbeat of Spring" -__- How you would enforce this without an outside party I don't know...
The basic word here is "decisions." You do not DO. You DECIDE.
They can't fail to search. If it is in the library, they must take it. You'll probably need a judge or somebody to enforce this.
(And now you know why they didn't reprint Word of Command.)
They can fail to search.
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If you’re required to search a zone not revealed to all players for cards of a given quality, such as type or color, you aren’t required to find some or all of those cards even if they’re present; however, if you do choose to find cards, you must reveal those cards to all players. Even if you don’t find any cards, you are still considered to have searched the zone.
If you’re simply searching for a quantity of cards, such as “a card” or “three cards,” you must find that many cards (or as many as possible). These cards often aren’t revealed.
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They cannot fail to search if YOU are making decisions for them.
The rulings by D'Angelo was pretty clear.
You get to name a card for them to take. If it is in the library, they take it. If not, you name another card. Repeat until you name one that they have. [D'Angelo 1995/04/11]
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"Look at target opponents hand and remove from the game any number of nonland cards in his or her hand until end of turn. Until end of turn, you may play those cards without paying their mana costs at any time that player could play them. Spells played in this way come under his or her control, but you choose all targets and pay any additional costs."
My problem is Lava Axe. Oh yes, another Lava Axe question. Seriously, you're playing their card for them basically, so what do you do in the case of "target opponent"? I was thinking "You have to target them, so you target them as your opponent, spell goes on the stack, there's a legality check on resolution, its an illegal target, and fizzle."
But maybe there's a way that it can still target you or a way to make it have to target you? Help me out.
Now, if you want a card like Ravenous Rats, you can't choose an illegal target. "An opponent" is the opponent of whoever is playing the spell. If they are playing the spell, even if you are controlling them, they are still playing the spell and can only target one of their opponents (you).
You play the opponent's Lava Axe: Can zap anybody you choose.
You play the opponent's Ravenous Rats: Only you are the legal target.
See Word of Command for the correct templating. The way you word it does not work.
Thanks a lot. I don't know why I thought Axe was "target opponent" nor do I know why I didn't bother checking.
Edit: Current templating:
Look at target opponents hand and reveal any number of cards in his or her hand until end of turn. You may have that player play a revealed card without paying its mana cost at any time they may legally play it. You make all decisions it calls for.
Now, I'm not so much concerned with the templating as I am with additional costs and searching. Tooth and Nail is a great example of this. If I made an opponent play a Tooth, would they have to pay the 2 for entwine if I told them to, or is that a part of the mana cost? What about additional costs like "sacrifice a creature"? How about searching your library? If I were to Word of Command a Rampant Growth, would I search their library for the land? Would they? Shouldn't that count as a decision I should make?
I would say "decisions" is pretty clear. Everything that can have different outcomes depending on a choice is a decision. This includes: choosing modes, choosing target, searching for cards, choosing damage/life/X/whatever numbers/which cards in play/creatures to sacrifice or cards to discard/opponents/mana to tap/blah.
- If used with a Demonic Tutor being the card the other player casts, you do not get to look through that player's library. You get to name a card for them to take. If it is in the library, they take it. If not, you name another card. Repeat until you name one that they have. [D'Angelo 1995/04/11] Remember that even on-resolution decisions are made by the Word of Command caster.
No, you do not get to look through the library... but you get to play "find that Heartbeat of Spring" -__- How you would enforce this without an outside party I don't know...The basic word here is "decisions." You do not DO. You DECIDE.
(And now you know why they didn't reprint Word of Command.)
They can fail to search.
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The rulings by D'Angelo was pretty clear.
You get to name a card for them to take. If it is in the library, they take it. If not, you name another card. Repeat until you name one that they have. [D'Angelo 1995/04/11]