Giga Burst 2WUBRG
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Giga Burst can't be countered.
When you play Giga Burst, you may reveal any number of cards from your hand. If you do, remove those cards from the game. For each instant or sorcery card revealed, add that card's effects to Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card revealed, put a token copy of that card into play. You lose half your life, rounded up.
I think it should say "as an additional cost to play giga burst you may reveal any number of cards from your hand". But other than that I think it would work.
You can just shorten it to "you may remove any number of cards in your hand from the game, face up." sorta like Mind's Desire.
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If you think about it, this card doesnt really do much...
You pay 7 mana, of 5 different colors, whoch is hard enough on its own...
Each card in your hand you "copy" is removed anyways, so theres no card advantage...
Your creatures are tokens, which is not only complicated to have a Morphling token and such, but they are weaker from being tokens...
You lose half yor life, randomly, for all these drawbacks...
The advantage:
You can play your whole hand in one turn...
I think this card tries too hard to be cool whereas it's just a bit mediocre..
Giga Burst 2WUBRG
Instant
Giga Burst can't be countered.
When you play Giga Burst, you may reveal any number of cards from your hand. If you do, remove those cards from the game. For each instant or sorcery card revealed, add that card's effects to Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card revealed, put a token copy of that card into play. You lose half your life, rounded up.
Very problematic.
For one, what happens if you remove Instants and Sorceries that are targeted? Because of the rules for when you check for target legality, versus when you apply effect from the resolving spell, this would effectively enable you to bypass targeting restrictions.
Secondly, you normally only reveal cards during playing a spell if it is either some kind of cost to play the spell or a modal choice (such as Splice). So, this already modifies the rules on how that particular section works.
Thirdly, if you want it to work that way, you can't use "When", you have to use "As". "When" signifies a triggered ability, where "As" represents a static ability (which can be applied as a spell is being played).
So, theoretically, you could word this as:
Giga Burst 2WUBRG Instant Giga Burst can't be countered. As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, you may reveal any number of cards from your hand and remove those cards from the game.
For each card you removed from the game, you may create a copy of that card and may play the copy without paying its mana cost.
Personally, I think the effect is too powerful once you attach the "can't be countered" to it; but then again, it's hard to play this before Turn 5 or 6, and by then you may only have a certain number of cards in hand besides this.
Agreed. The card designer needs to decide if this is supposed to be a "splice-like" effect, where the effect is added to a completely different spell, maybe of a different color; or a "storm-like" effect, where exact copies are created. Your suggestion kinda mixed the two, if I understand it.
For the "splice-like" effect, it really must be a keyword so the the rules can provide definitions, like 502.40 does for splice. The card can't do that, since any text like you wrote should be part of its resolution, and should follow a line break as well (as you seemed to provide). That's what I wasn't sure I understood - if you realized that the card can't specify things that will happen as part of 409.1 process, unless the rules describe it. Oh, and btw, there isn't a point to revealing the cards and removing them as a cost, which would reveal them anyway.
The rule for this splice-like would be almost exactly like Splice, except you don't reveal the cards, you just remove them. And not as a cost, as a chocie at the same time Splice is chosen. Reminder text of this version could be:
Giga Burst
Burst (As you play this spell, you may remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Splice the text of those cards onto this spell.)
For the "storm-like" version, "when" does work. This trigger will go on the stack after Giga Burst is played, and you can play the copies just like you do with storm. Of course, there isn't much point to having it be a trigger if the Giga Burst does nothing else; so your wording covers this case pretty well, IF you keep that line break in there, before you describe the effect.
Note that in both cases, you need to define, in the rules, that either a spliced creature card text, or a copy-spell of type creature, makes a token. I'll also point out than no known effect will knowingly make a token that is not a creature token (you can trick some by making them copy non-creatures that the effect was expecting to be a creature), so some of this is unprecedented.
"As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Until end of turn, you may play cards removed from the game this way without playing their mana cost."
The card is weak by the way. It takes so much effort to play it that you can't have much in your hand anymore, and whatever you want to play this way will hardly be undercosted anymore.
You really just need to embrace the rage. I keep a small colony of hamsters next to my computer and every time I lose a match to mana screw I throw one against the wall.
I don't think, that ability needs keywording as any card can as easily say what it does in its own text instead of in the comprehensive rules.
A card can easily use its text to say what it does in its resolution. With a lot of difficulty, and a lot of unprecedented words that probably woud not fit on a card, I suppose it could describe changes to how you play it. It would be far easier as a rule, and that is how anything at all similar does it now.
As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. For each instant or sorcery card removed this way, you may add that card's effect to Giga Burst.
As epeeguy explained, this can't work, since you would have to choose the targets before you find out what effects are being spliced onto it. Your text would only find that out when you pay the costs. That's why Splice is a special rule - revealing the cards in step 409.1b, choosing the targets in 409.1c, and finally handling the costs ion 409.1f and 409.1h. It's getting the "remove" (or just "reveal") into 409.1b that can't easily be done on the card.
And BTW, it would be a good idea to keep this as one spell, so it can be counterd (with loss of the cards you tried to add) with one counterspell. Greater power requires greater risk.
I think Tahn wording hits the nail on the head. Almost the same effect, no rules headaches. Only minor tweaks to deal with: Are cards removed on resolution or as an additional cost? Should the 'cannot be countered' part be kept or removed?
Giga Burst :2mana::symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:
Sorcery Giga Burst can't be countered. As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Until end of turn, you may play cards removed from the game this way without playing their mana cost.
The parts in italics can be kept or removed according to taste.
Please note that for sake of proper formating and templating, as set down by R&D, you need to have the cost and the effect as separate lines. This is because the cost (or, more specifically, additional cost) is applied in one part of the process of playing/resolving a spell, whereas the effect is applied in another part of the process.
Hence why I posted the suggested text of the spell as I did (keeping cost and effect separate from each other).
Splice
Splice is a static ability that functions while a card is in your hand. “Splice onto [type or subtype] [cost]” means “You may reveal this card from your hand as you play a [type or subtype] spell. If you do, copy this card’s text box onto that spell and pay [cost] as an additional cost to play that spell.” Paying a card’s splice cost follows the rules for paying additional costs in rules 409.1b and 409.1f–h.
You can’t choose to use a splice ability if you can’t make the required choices (targets, etc.) for that card’s instructions. You can’t splice any one card onto the same spell more than once. If you’re splicing more than one card onto a spell, reveal them all at once and choose the order in which their instructions will be followed. The instructions on the main spell have to be followed first.
The spell has the characteristics of the main spell, plus the text boxes of each of the spliced cards. The spell doesn’t gain any other characteristics (name, mana cost, color, supertypes, types, subtypes, etc.) of the spliced cards. Text copied onto the spell that refers to a card by name refers to the spell on the stack, not the card from which the text was copied.
Choose targets for the added text normally (see rule 409.1c). Note that a spell with one or more targets will be countered if all of its targets are illegal on resolution.
The spell loses any splice changes once it leaves the stack (for example, when it’s countered, it’s removed from the game, or it resolves).
So based on that I'd word it like:
Giga Burst 2WUBRG
Instant
Giga Burst cannot be countered by spells or abilities.
You may reveal any number cards from your hand as you play Giga Burst. For each instant or sorcery card revealed this way copy those cards' text boxes onto Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, and land card revealed this way remove that card from the game.
Put all artifact, creature, enchantment, and land cards removed from the game by Giga Burst into play.
And then it should come with all of the rules baggage that makes splice work as well as give you all of your permanents that you revealed.
Giga Burst 2WUBRG
Instant
Giga Burst cannot be countered by spells or abilities.
You may reveal any number cards from your hand as you play Giga Burst. For each instant or sorcery card revealed this way copy those cards' text boxes onto Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, and land card revealed this way remove that card from the game.
Put all artifact, creature, enchantment, and land cards removed from the game by Giga Burst into play.
This would work as well. The only potential downside I can see is when you have Instants and Sorceries that have other abilities (such as Kicker or Buyback). But I think that how 409.1b is worded should be fine (you reveal the cards first, then choose whether or not you wish to do things like Kicker or Buyback).
Well, no, it really wouldn't work. There is no way spell text can tell you to do somethng "extra" while playing the spell. Spell text is executed upon resolution.
Yes, I know the proposed text says "as you play Giga Burst," and that cards override the rules, and that you modeled it on Splice. The splice rule is a rule, not spell text; it specifically tied it to a cost, and says it is done in a specific step of 409.1. Where in that process do you reveal the cards? Epeeguy assumed 409.1b, but I see no reason for that. When are the cards removed? These are the reasons it must nbe in a rule, so the rule can defines the steps.
Well, as I thought I understood it (and I admit, it was something I wasn't 100% certain of), I thought this would have been a modal-type choice. In that case, similar to Splice, you are copying the text of the cards at that time. So, then it would affect how the spell finishes being played (declaring targets and the like), so it could work if written this way.
So, if 409.1b doesn't cover it (which is what I thought would happen), then no it definitely wouldn't work as written. You'd either have to define some kind of keyword mechanic and then modify 409.1b (which is a rule change, and is beyond my scope). Honestly, it is much simpler to have the cards removed as part of the cost and then played separately from this spell (which is cleanest, but doesn't let you keep Instant and Sorcery cards).
Well, as I thought I understood it (and I admit, it was something I wasn't 100% certain of), I thought this would have been a modal-type choice.
Does it say "choose one - " ? Then it isn't a modal choice. It does look similar, and it is quite clear that that is the intent. But no real card does this sort of theing, and there is no rule that says anything that isn't actually listed in 409.1b should be included there.
In that case, similar to Splice, you are copying the text of the cards at that time. So, then it would affect how the spell finishes being played (declaring targets and the like), so it could work if written this way.
But the rules specifically put Splice in 409.1b. They don;t allow for anyting not listed. So this would have to be listed.
Does it say "choose one - " ? Then it isn't a modal choice.
Sorry, when I said modal, it should have been "modal" (that is, the action is taken in this part of the process). I didn't intend to mean modal specifically. Much like when you said "copy", you didn't mean copy.
Sorry, when I said modal, it should have been "modal" (that is, the action is taken in this part of the process). I didn't intend to mean modal specifically. Much like when you said "copy", you didn't mean copy.
I had thought of that, but I couldn't figure out any context for it to mean anything like "the action is taken in this part of the process."
Giga Burst can't be countered.
As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. While Giga Burst is on the stack, you may play those cards without paying their mana cost. You lose half your life, rounded up.
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Giga Burst can't be countered.
When you play Giga Burst, you may reveal any number of cards from your hand. If you do, remove those cards from the game. For each instant or sorcery card revealed, add that card's effects to Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card revealed, put a token copy of that card into play. You lose half your life, rounded up.
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You pay 7 mana, of 5 different colors, whoch is hard enough on its own...
Each card in your hand you "copy" is removed anyways, so theres no card advantage...
Your creatures are tokens, which is not only complicated to have a Morphling token and such, but they are weaker from being tokens...
You lose half yor life, randomly, for all these drawbacks...
The advantage:
You can play your whole hand in one turn...
I think this card tries too hard to be cool whereas it's just a bit mediocre..
Very problematic.
For one, what happens if you remove Instants and Sorceries that are targeted? Because of the rules for when you check for target legality, versus when you apply effect from the resolving spell, this would effectively enable you to bypass targeting restrictions.
Secondly, you normally only reveal cards during playing a spell if it is either some kind of cost to play the spell or a modal choice (such as Splice). So, this already modifies the rules on how that particular section works.
Thirdly, if you want it to work that way, you can't use "When", you have to use "As". "When" signifies a triggered ability, where "As" represents a static ability (which can be applied as a spell is being played).
So, theoretically, you could word this as:
Giga Burst 2WUBRG
Instant
Giga Burst can't be countered.
As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, you may reveal any number of cards from your hand and remove those cards from the game.
For each card you removed from the game, you may create a copy of that card and may play the copy without paying its mana cost.
Personally, I think the effect is too powerful once you attach the "can't be countered" to it; but then again, it's hard to play this before Turn 5 or 6, and by then you may only have a certain number of cards in hand besides this.
For the "splice-like" effect, it really must be a keyword so the the rules can provide definitions, like 502.40 does for splice. The card can't do that, since any text like you wrote should be part of its resolution, and should follow a line break as well (as you seemed to provide). That's what I wasn't sure I understood - if you realized that the card can't specify things that will happen as part of 409.1 process, unless the rules describe it. Oh, and btw, there isn't a point to revealing the cards and removing them as a cost, which would reveal them anyway.
The rule for this splice-like would be almost exactly like Splice, except you don't reveal the cards, you just remove them. And not as a cost, as a chocie at the same time Splice is chosen. Reminder text of this version could be:
Giga Burst
Burst (As you play this spell, you may remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Splice the text of those cards onto this spell.)
For the "storm-like" version, "when" does work. This trigger will go on the stack after Giga Burst is played, and you can play the copies just like you do with storm. Of course, there isn't much point to having it be a trigger if the Giga Burst does nothing else; so your wording covers this case pretty well, IF you keep that line break in there, before you describe the effect.
Note that in both cases, you need to define, in the rules, that either a spliced creature card text, or a copy-spell of type creature, makes a token. I'll also point out than no known effect will knowingly make a token that is not a creature token (you can trick some by making them copy non-creatures that the effect was expecting to be a creature), so some of this is unprecedented.
"As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Until end of turn, you may play cards removed from the game this way without playing their mana cost."
The card is weak by the way. It takes so much effort to play it that you can't have much in your hand anymore, and whatever you want to play this way will hardly be undercosted anymore.
As epeeguy explained, this can't work, since you would have to choose the targets before you find out what effects are being spliced onto it. Your text would only find that out when you pay the costs. That's why Splice is a special rule - revealing the cards in step 409.1b, choosing the targets in 409.1c, and finally handling the costs ion 409.1f and 409.1h. It's getting the "remove" (or just "reveal") into 409.1b that can't easily be done on the card.
And BTW, it would be a good idea to keep this as one spell, so it can be counterd (with loss of the cards you tried to add) with one counterspell. Greater power requires greater risk.
Giga Burst :2mana::symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:
Sorcery
Giga Burst can't be countered.
As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. Until end of turn, you may play cards removed from the game this way without playing their mana cost.
The parts in italics can be kept or removed according to taste.
Hence why I posted the suggested text of the spell as I did (keeping cost and effect separate from each other).
So based on that I'd word it like:
Giga Burst 2WUBRG
Instant
Giga Burst cannot be countered by spells or abilities.
You may reveal any number cards from your hand as you play Giga Burst. For each instant or sorcery card revealed this way copy those cards' text boxes onto Giga Burst. For each artifact, creature, enchantment, and land card revealed this way remove that card from the game.
Put all artifact, creature, enchantment, and land cards removed from the game by Giga Burst into play.
And then it should come with all of the rules baggage that makes splice work as well as give you all of your permanents that you revealed.
3CB and 4CB5CB!This would work as well. The only potential downside I can see is when you have Instants and Sorceries that have other abilities (such as Kicker or Buyback). But I think that how 409.1b is worded should be fine (you reveal the cards first, then choose whether or not you wish to do things like Kicker or Buyback).
Yes, I know the proposed text says "as you play Giga Burst," and that cards override the rules, and that you modeled it on Splice. The splice rule is a rule, not spell text; it specifically tied it to a cost, and says it is done in a specific step of 409.1. Where in that process do you reveal the cards? Epeeguy assumed 409.1b, but I see no reason for that. When are the cards removed? These are the reasons it must nbe in a rule, so the rule can defines the steps.
So, if 409.1b doesn't cover it (which is what I thought would happen), then no it definitely wouldn't work as written. You'd either have to define some kind of keyword mechanic and then modify 409.1b (which is a rule change, and is beyond my scope). Honestly, it is much simpler to have the cards removed as part of the cost and then played separately from this spell (which is cleanest, but doesn't let you keep Instant and Sorcery cards).
But the rules specifically put Splice in 409.1b. They don;t allow for anyting not listed. So this would have to be listed.
Sorry, when I said modal, it should have been "modal" (that is, the action is taken in this part of the process). I didn't intend to mean modal specifically. Much like when you said "copy", you didn't mean copy.
Sorcery
Giga Burst can't be countered.
As an additional cost to play Giga Burst, remove any number of cards in your hand from the game. While Giga Burst is on the stack, you may play those cards without paying their mana cost. You lose half your life, rounded up.