A friendly reminder: please vote in the CCL February Finals Poll if you haven't already done so. The poll closes tomorrow night. Some really nice cards were designed by FreshMeat and IcariiFA, so go check them out!!!
I hope everyone enjoyed February's challenges. I tried to make them fun and tried to make each round feel different than the last. Thanks to everyone for participating. I think Round 3 was my favorite - I really enjoyed seeing the Form cards.
Rounds 1 and 2 are finished! Sadly lack of top 3s kinda warped round 2's scores, but round three will be up shortly for our top 8:
|Katamari|: Side note: I really dislike when someone feels the need to explain their designs. If you feel you have to explain it, its a sign that it doesn't stand up well on its own.
My goal was to answer preventively to the question: does this mess up with other cards with ice counters? I could have used other counters but it seemed fine to use something already existing
You didn't need to explain that. It's a given. Explaining your design process for people to consider when judging I see to be poor form/covering weaker design. Why? Because the goal of our designs is to be of a quality that can be opened in a magic booster/product. Are you going to be standing next to everyone as they open up your designs? Of course not. The designs have to be understood on their own. Which is why I detest explanations. Let us judge without an explanation because if you were a real designer, you wouldn't get the chance to explain them to the consumer.
Right now, as designed, my common card doesn't use fracking mana but works well with it. The idea is to highlight how fracking mana could be utilized in a draft environment. Is that a problem? The wording on the prompt is ambiguous on this front so I wanted to ask.
IcariiFA, I did not edit my entry after the deadline. The deadline is midnight Pacific Standard Time, not Eastern Time. Please critique my actual entry, not the entry you seem to want to critique due to personal animus.
Well, you are right on one count. Cardz5000 did do PST, which is non standard for these contest. Regardless, I still feel your mechanic/entry is overall the weakest as it is the least fun to play with. So I'll edit my critique, but the places wont change.
I wasn’t aware that there was a “standard” time zone for the contests.
What is it, and where is that documented?
PST has been used for the CCL for almost two months now, and this seems to be the first time it’s being mentioned.
Almost two months you say? That's a short time. You did it this month and kjsharp last month. By "standard" I meant "most often used", not "codified into the rules." Out of all of 2017, only 1 single month wasn't based on EST, and January (my) month of this year was EST too. All other timezones are outliers currently. While you're not required to use a specific timezone, what I said was not wrong.
Timezone confusion can happen on these things, no big deal. Personally I'm pretty much fine as long as stuff is done before the first person starts judging.
Anyway, do we have a host for next month? I kind of want to run but I'm not sure I can totally guarantee being on time with the rounds. I can try if nobody else is eager to judge.
Trying to disqualify people for petty reasons does nothing to foster a positive atmosphere on this forum and does nothing to make people want to participate. It's not a big deal if someone submits something at 1 AM ET or whatever. I always workout from 11-12 during which time I think of designs, so usually I get home, eat something, and jot down what I was thinking about at the gym. People have different schedules.[/spoiler]
Disqualifying people for being late isn't petty, nor is the fact you have a real life schedule an excuse. We all do. If you have something in your schedule that makes it so you can't work on the project at the last minute, you do it before your scheduling conflict, not after. It is totally reasonable and within my right when judging to doc points or disqualify people when late, especially in a position where I make a point of working till the last minute available to me and then stop at the deadline. When someone else takes extra time and I did not, it's unfair and I'll treat it that way when judging.
Now in your case, you were right that you weren't late. I still judged your mechanic and cards for their merits but like I said I felt my top 3 was still correct. I wasn't the only judge who put you last either. There have been plenty of times in the CCL and MCC were I've judged your work and given you good ranking/scores. This time you just lost out.
As a mod, I can say - if you're objectively wrong about a card you judged, you're generally obligated to change that part of the scoring, but if you still didn't like the card, you have all rights to give it as few points as you want. In this case, kjsharp, there were clearly problems with your design that the other contestants who critiqued you pointed out. You can't attribute every bad score you get to malice.
I don't think the point is that. Icari, you make vaiid points but I don't think you should be caring that much. The nature of CCL makes it strongly self-regulated, and I find that is great. Things get punished via judgements according to each's perception (And I agree that you're right to crop points off for stuff like extra cards if you want to). You post a card and you give and get lots of feedback and everyone will look at different things. And it's great.
What kjsharp said about atmosphere didn't hit me until the "real life schedule" issue came up: The big reason I'm able to participate in the CCL is because schedules are a bit flexible and that means a lot to me because there's a sense of solidarity in it, precisely because we all have real life schedules. I was late yesterday, but if you check it you will see I'm late a lot and organizers have always been helpful. I don't think time extension issues should be read into the light of what's fair. Take my word when I tell you I was not being late because of fine-tuning designs.
But well, as I said, we're kind of a community in the CCL and this is just an opinion no-one has to agree on. I'm not even sure I've made my point clear, but the CCL is in my opinion a great space precisely because of the quantity and quality of opinions.
Dammit Icarii... Your historic mana worked so well that I keep looking at spoilers and thinking "I feel like this set needs a couple more mana producers if they're going to have historic mana work" only to realize that historic mana is not in this set...
The point is that, in the 9 months I've participated on these forums, dozens and dozens of people have been a bit late, needed an extra few hours, needed an extra day, needed a bit of flexibility to get things done on time. Not once, not once, did IcariiFA raise a fuss about it and try to disqualify people. However, he opted to here, for a submission he thought was 1 hour late. I will and do attribute that to some kind of prejudice or malice, and everyone with half a brain would do so as well.
While deadlines are generally not quite as firm in the CCL, they're still deadlines. It's accepted practice that if you're gonna miss one, you have to say so beforehand in order to get an extension. While you didn't actually miss anything, IcariiFA genuinely thought you did because he assumed the deadline was in EST, which most of the recent CCL deadlines have been. Furthermore, he owned up to his mistake and explained that he still had legitimate reasons to score your cards the lowest, which in my estimation he did. If the other contestants felt you truly deserved a higher overall score, they would have ranked your entry higher.