Snow-Covered Wastes
Basic Snow Land
T: Add C(Mana produced by a snow permanent may be used to pay S in costs)
Accompanied by a ban of the other snow-covered basics.
The problem with snow, as I see it, is that there was never an real cost in deckbuilding terms for including it, with powerful cards like Skred seemingly being designed as though snow couldn't just be crammed into decks recklessly. The snow basics are entirely the culprits here, 1:1 replacing basics in a deck to allow huge amounts of snow with no effort.
The reads to me as someone who lost to Skred Red one too many times.
Yes, there is no real cost in including Snow Basics but there is hardly any benefit either. There are very few interactions that make having snow lands over regular basics matter. Skred is one; Extraplanar Lens is another (and your proposed replacement doesn't really change that). Snow lands are so innocuous that almost no one actually runs them and the decks that do aren't even close to being overpowered decks. I would argue that this interaction is what allows the deck to even exist in the first place. I mean Skred can hit creatures for a bunch of damage. Is there ever a scenario where that is more powerful than a Path to Exile? It is not like someone is slamming 20 Snow Basics and then hitting a player for 20 damage.
While I agree on the premise, having a max of 4 snow lands makes any snow based cards nearly impossible to play , particularly in limited. For example, Ice Age becomes unplayable.
If something like this were done, there has to be an accompanying decrease in snow spells, to the point that it can be no longer one of the main themese in a set.
How do you arrive at a max of 4 snow lands? The other basic lands aren't restricted in number either - and in Limited you usually get as many snow lands as you can draft (and properly designed four snow lands may be plenty & achievable in Limited).
The reads to me as someone who lost to Skred Red one too many times.
Yes, there is no real cost in including Snow Basics but there is hardly any benefit either. There are very few interactions that make having snow lands over regular basics matter.
Yes, and now start following that train of thought: Why aren't there any grant benefits to playing snow basic lands? Because such rewards cannot be larger as long as colored snow basic lands are a thing. If you remove the color-producing snow basic lands from an environment and replace them with Snow-Covered Wastes, then as trhe set creator you can make the rewards for playing snow lands higher since including them during deck construction becomes a real cost.
Your mistake is look at the current state and look for benefits within that state not take the new possibilities into account that become available once you implement the change and expand accordingly.
The main issue with this implmentation is that it really is by itself not that much different than caring about {C}. The best thing it does is giving you a short-hand and a slight overlap between colored and colorless in a less intrusive way than devoid did in BfZ - which is a real benefit and might be all that's necessary to make this work. Both colorless mana and snow mana get a lot of benefit from just being cool new mana symbols after all, and they can be easily successes if they are tuned better with a sense for well-crafted environment.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Basic Snow Land
T: Add C (Mana produced by a snow permanent may be used to pay S in costs)
Accompanied by a ban of the other snow-covered basics.
The problem with snow, as I see it, is that there was never an real cost in deckbuilding terms for including it, with powerful cards like Skred seemingly being designed as though snow couldn't just be crammed into decks recklessly. The snow basics are entirely the culprits here, 1:1 replacing basics in a deck to allow huge amounts of snow with no effort.
Snow wastes fixes that, in my opinion.
Yes, there is no real cost in including Snow Basics but there is hardly any benefit either. There are very few interactions that make having snow lands over regular basics matter. Skred is one; Extraplanar Lens is another (and your proposed replacement doesn't really change that). Snow lands are so innocuous that almost no one actually runs them and the decks that do aren't even close to being overpowered decks. I would argue that this interaction is what allows the deck to even exist in the first place. I mean Skred can hit creatures for a bunch of damage. Is there ever a scenario where that is more powerful than a Path to Exile? It is not like someone is slamming 20 Snow Basics and then hitting a player for 20 damage.
, particularlyin limited. For example, Ice Age becomes unplayable.If something like this were done, there has to be an accompanying decrease in snow spells, to the point that it can be no longer one of the main themese in a set.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Yes, and now start following that train of thought: Why aren't there any grant benefits to playing snow basic lands? Because such rewards cannot be larger as long as colored snow basic lands are a thing. If you remove the color-producing snow basic lands from an environment and replace them with Snow-Covered Wastes, then as trhe set creator you can make the rewards for playing snow lands higher since including them during deck construction becomes a real cost.
Your mistake is look at the current state and look for benefits within that state not take the new possibilities into account that become available once you implement the change and expand accordingly.
The main issue with this implmentation is that it really is by itself not that much different than caring about {C}. The best thing it does is giving you a short-hand and a slight overlap between colored and colorless in a less intrusive way than devoid did in BfZ - which is a real benefit and might be all that's necessary to make this work. Both colorless mana and snow mana get a lot of benefit from just being cool new mana symbols after all, and they can be easily successes if they are tuned better with a sense for well-crafted environment.
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