The setting is the fabulous North Shore High School. Some of you will dread this school year while others will revel in your popularity and lack of responsibility. At North Shore the Plastics are teen royalty and people have killed to join their ranks. The rest of the student population outnumbers them 100 to 1 but somehow they have a stranglehold on all the power and all the popularity. Who was plastic last year may not be plastic anymore so be wary, your friends may be more plastic than you think! In this game, the battle between Real World and Girl World is a matter of life and death. Do you have what it takes to survive high school?
The basic rules of mafia apply.
Voting - Bold your votes and unvotes or I won't see them. (I may see them but I won't SEE them) It requires a majority of living players to make a decision (lynching, no lynching) If y'all don't play fast enough I'll issue a deadline and at the end of that line someone will be dead.
Flavor gaming My death scenes have been pre-written so don't read into the flavor It's a bad idea to flavor game anyway. You will get pregnant. And die. So just don't do it. Ok? Now, everybody take some rubbers.
Role PM Don't quote your role PM or you'll get dead. In fact it might be a good idea to run anything you plan on saying regarding your role by me before you blurt something out that makes me put you in the burn book.
Pink On Wednesdays we wear pink!
Don't be a jerk Also, the normal guidelines for forum behavior still apply in here. Don't be mean or you'll get moderated son! You can go shave your back now.
You guys need anything? Condoms? Ah you keep me young. If you have any questions please ask me via PM. Don't ask someone else unless you think I'm doing something wrong. In that case ask me and one of the mafia supermods gods thingies.
Know how to play mafia I'm not going huge into the rules of mafia, y'all know how to play by now. You know you're not supposed to talk about the game outside of the game or to any other player inside the game about the game unless your role PM says you can. Say game again....Game.
I'll send out the Role PMs soon and then y'all confirm you got them with me via PM and ask your questions if you have them (you're welcome to ask questions any and all times but I encourage you to read your roles thoroughly and ask questions regarding them in this time before the game starts). I'll open the game Monday at some point.
Please stay active. If i have to prod you too much I'll replace you out. (And if you're hot I'll prod you some more)
Please do not post in this thread until the game starts. Please confirm with me via PM once you get your role. once all players have PM'd me with confirmation the game will begin.
Role PMs have been sent out. Please wait until I start the game on Saturday to post in this thread. Feel free to ask me any questions you have in the meanwhile via PM.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Oh gooodddy it's RVS time or as I like to call it Reducing Voting Standards
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By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do.
In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.
Where did you come to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see?
He was talking about a past game and we both know a VT can be cleared *typically* by a cop investigation, where a miller typically shows up as guilty.
*typically* baring any bastard mod that puts in a insane cop that does not tell the person they are insane.
Hate RVS so I will go right into questions instead.
1) How active of a player are you?
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
My answers:
1) I post at least once a day (weekends are the only time there is an exception to this rule). I would say fairly active but not spammy.
2) Cyan mafia - mafia self watcher - won end game
">Flame Warriors - Killed night 2 (cop) - lost
3) I go off of odd things. I have seen people do things that look strange during RVS and sometimes RVS with no info and just adding nothing to the game.
4) I used to think miller claims were town till I saw scum do it one day. Now I wait and see how the player behaves in the game before I determine anything.
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
I'm very active during a game. Except if it's during school or when I'm asleep. But, I'm an internet junkie so during the daytime I'm almost always on.
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
Not at all. You have to twist my arm to get me to avoid prods.
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2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
My sig contains a link to all of my completed games. *Opens arms* I recommend Starcraft Mafia for scum (as it's my most recently completed scum game) and Osteria Mafia for town (as it's a recently finished town game where I feel I did my standard bat**** insane Iso stuff and played fairly well in conjunction to that).
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3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
Yep.
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4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vanilla townies can be clear by investigation, yeh. On the other hand, if you're suspicious of somebody and they claim vanilla, you usually just lynch them rather than finding somebody else to lynch then waiting the night in the hope that the cop has a result.
mmmm I think that's a bit of a stretch.
1) Bolly didn't vote for you
2) suspicion is one thing, believing someone is scum for actions is another.
I'm still not seeing how you conclude that Bolly is looking to lynch you right now based on your claim.
IGMEOY, ced.
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mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do.
In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.
It sounded like you were saying Bolly wanted to lynch you based on your claim.
I also asked you in my question you quoted about where you came to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see.
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
Things I "discovered" and are probably true: Bolly is very,very probably town This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia Mafia doesn't have daytalk I suspect Pinky is scum
By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do. In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.
I think I know the answer to this, but I don't want to make assumptions so please expand.
That being said, everyone should target me toNight. Including the mafia.
Let's consider for a moment you are town, in this case town targeting you will surely benefit town for unknown reasons. But why would mafia agree with your plan? I mean, it's not like you could have their best interests in mind and they know it. So what you just did was a favor to them, because they now know they shouldn't use their powers on you.
So I ask, why Iso? (I'm not fishing, I don't want to know your abilities if any, just mafia theory)
Based on this I think a miller claim is null early in the game. It seems like there really isn't a way to prove it.
Yes, there's one. Lynching them.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Let's consider for a moment you are town, in this case town targeting you will surely benefit town for unknown reasons. But why would mafia agree with your plan? I mean, it's not like you could have their best interests in mind and they know it. So what you just did was a favor to them, because they now know they shouldn't use their powers on you.
So I ask, why Iso? (I'm not fishing, I don't want to know your abilities if any, just mafia theory)
I know you're not fishing.
I'm not sure how to answer this without making my plan ineffective with my answer. Just know that I have a good reason.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My standard warning applies: 80% of the time I will be posting from my iPad. So I can't multiquote or do pbpa unless I'm on my desktop, which is usually in the early morning or in the evening. Instead, I usually post short, concise posts quoting one thing at a time.
Except I don't see what's so "anti-town" about it. And I can totally have my own reasons for wanting more from you, you know. For example, I know you're a player who likes to be in control, but I don't like how you seem to prioritize that control over scumhunting (say, the comment at the end of 40 about "sitting back" is quite self-serving).
It's anti-town because it's preventing me from scumhunting as effectively as I'd like. Demanding an answer from me in this scenario throws a wrench in my cogs because of what I'm trying to observe. I am absolutely not prioritizing control over scumhunting - they are analogous in this scenario.
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What is this about you wanting to keep your post count down, though? That's new for you. Is it a personal decision?
Yeah. Too many people *****ing about how frequently I post and how spammy games make it more difficult for the town to win. So, whatever.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ah, finally the show is on the road. It looks like I finally took a long enough hiatus to restore some of the magic. I was giddy as a schoolgirl waiting for this thing to start, in a way that I haven't been about mafia for a long time.
I suppose I'll answer pinky's questions to start with:
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1) How active of a player are you?
Definitely not a lurker, but no more active than can be reasonably expected from someone with a full time job. I'll probably post a couple times a day on average, more on the weekends.
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2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
Not as a rule, but you do occasionally see a valid lead spring from how someone votes or how they react to a random vote. Or sometimes, the original player who does something odd is town, but an overeager scum jumps on them and exposes himself in the process. It's a worthwhile tradition, in my opinion.
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4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
"Wait and see" is approximately correct. I don't consider it sound to push for someone's lynch on day 1 solely in response to a miller claim. At the same time, it is definitively not null, as some (including ced, interestingly) have argued. I don't see how a player saying "if investigated, I will turn up scum" can be considered null. It's just not enough to warrant a wagon in absence of any behavioral evidence.
And now a few items on my own agenda:
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In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.
What is your basis for making this statement?
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This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia Mafia doesn't have daytalk
How exactly did you "discover" these little tidbits?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Two questions:
why you only want one and just one example of each? Why did you choose those particular examples?
People could say just look at my blog. I wanted to see if they picked something or not. Second I looked at my own blog picked the most recent scum game and the one above it and copied and pasted.
Any reason you chose not to answer the questions?
Re: the question: You didn't mention me, though, so it was a bit unclear.
what?
I quoted your comment and asked it to you. So how is it unclear?
*Looks at Bolly comment*
I have no clue how you come to that. I quoted Ced's post, bolded the part that bothered me and questioned him about it.
How did I misinterpret Ced's comment when (1) I'm asking him about it. (2) trying to clarify the meaning.
Oohhh goody Iso and Drey are playing charades in which they give clues without saying anything to anyone about what they are thinking.
You think someone is scummy say what it is. You can't then all it is and just words. No case means no one follows you. If you think someone is scum there should be a push on it with reason.
I absolutely despise players that say X is scum, like it's a flipping guessing game and then grin like (insert comment here that is not nice) then continue on like it really meant nothing at all.
Seriously you two (looks at Iso and Drey) if you going to do the guessing game then shut up. You have a reason spit it out.
*deep breathe*
So far not a fan of ced.
Drey's post does nothing to say town to me. He usually puts more reasoning for things and doesn't vote without a reason. Aslo posting that scum have no day talk something only scum would know.
No read on arimnaes or Eron at this time.
Annaria is probably town. Same with Bolly.
Iso is the loose cannon cop. (joke go watch Fairly Odd Parents for reference). Seriously Iso just one of those I can't read because of the chaos he ensues as town and scum.
@Iso: Why did you name Starcraft Mafia. I'm curious what made you pick that over other games you were scum in.
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Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
People could say just look at my blog. I wanted to see if they picked something or not. Second I looked at my own blog picked the most recent scum game and the one above it and copied and pasted.
Why does it matter to you if they picked a specific game or not?
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How do you know this?
How do YOU know it?
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Iso is the loose cannon cop. (joke go watch Fairly Odd Parents for reference). Seriously Iso just one of those I can't read because of the chaos he ensues as town and scum.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why does it matter to you if they picked a specific game or not?
Someone may want to hide a game they played scum better or they picked something more recently because like me it is something I think is more closer to how I play mafia.
How do YOU know it?
Drey said the comment like he knows for fact scum don't have day talk. I'm asking him how he knows.
pinky, you didn't mention in your questioning that you were asking me about why I thought Bolly was talking about lynching me, until you suddenly came out with "I'm not seeing how you conclude this."
I quoted your post and asked you the question here and quoted your comment. What did you think I was talking about in that post?
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Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
I don't know, I just think you're playing well. And your appropriate usage of smilies has made me chuckle. The only thing that's stopping me from filing you under "definitely town" is the whole "everyone target me tonight" thing.
Yeah, that was a bit strange. But apparently Iso has a reputation for being a bit strange. So, I'm just gonna take it with a grain of salt and assume there's a method to his madness.
Oh, and:
pinky, why did you immediately answer your own questions in #43?
Also, why did you IGMEOY me rather than vote me?
I have a tendency to tunnel at the start of the game. I'm trying to get out of that nitch and go with keeping my eye on things.
So far the first person I'm suspicious of more times then not is town or there is a miscommunication or I'm right. After what happened in Clue Mafia I'm keeping a more open mind on things.
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Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
I don't think you really touch on why you think it isn't null. I've seen town claim miller. I've seen scum claim miller. I don't believe that one group is significantly bigger than the other. Hence, null.
Is your reason for believing that neither is significantly more common than the other based on personal experience? You tallied the number of times you've seen genuine miller claims against the number that were scum false claims and they were about 50/50?
I can't claim to have done that, but my reason causes me to lean more heavily on the side of scum, here. Not all games have townie millers; all games have mafia. You are probably the most "established" player in this game, given that I haven't been around in over a year and you've got a nice shiny player of the year award, which means you're the most likely default investigation target and thus would be strongly incentivized to claim miller as scum.
None of this logic precludes you from being a townie miller, of course. I just find that a slightly less likely explanation than you being scum, so I count it as a point against you.
The basic rules of mafia apply.
Voting - Bold your votes and unvotes or I won't see them. (I may see them but I won't SEE them) It requires a majority of living players to make a decision (lynching, no lynching) If y'all don't play fast enough I'll issue a deadline and at the end of that line someone will be dead.
Flavor gaming My death scenes have been pre-written so don't read into the flavor It's a bad idea to flavor game anyway. You will get pregnant. And die. So just don't do it. Ok? Now, everybody take some rubbers.
Role PM Don't quote your role PM or you'll get dead. In fact it might be a good idea to run anything you plan on saying regarding your role by me before you blurt something out that makes me put you in the burn book.
Pink On Wednesdays we wear pink!
Don't be a jerk Also, the normal guidelines for forum behavior still apply in here. Don't be mean or you'll get moderated son! You can go shave your back now.
You guys need anything? Condoms? Ah you keep me young. If you have any questions please ask me via PM. Don't ask someone else unless you think I'm doing something wrong. In that case ask me and one of the mafia supermods gods thingies.
Know how to play mafia I'm not going huge into the rules of mafia, y'all know how to play by now. You know you're not supposed to talk about the game outside of the game or to any other player inside the game about the game unless your role PM says you can. Say game again....Game.
I'll send out the Role PMs soon and then y'all confirm you got them with me via PM and ask your questions if you have them (you're welcome to ask questions any and all times but I encourage you to read your roles thoroughly and ask questions regarding them in this time before the game starts). I'll open the game Monday at some point.
Please stay active. If i have to prod you too much I'll replace you out. (And if you're hot I'll prod you some more)
Alive and kicking:
1. pinkfloyd
chickenfish6. arimnaes
The Burn Book:
2.
MiraculeAudinho5. ced395
11. EronTheRelentless
10. pinkys_brain
7. Drey
12. Bolly
9. Guardman
8. Iso
3. Void
Arnnaria4. MzztrTetris
Please do not post in this thread until the game starts. Please confirm with me via PM once you get your role. once all players have PM'd me with confirmation the game will begin.
Replacements:
Mephit
VoidBrinatoo
AudinhoVote Arimnaes for playing in a game with me for the first time ever. :3
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote: Pinky for trying to take over the world.
I want my pink shirt back!
Surprisingly I am not against this line of thinking. Carry on.
We only wear pink on Wednesdays, loser!
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And you can only wear your hair in a ponytail once per week...so I guess this is your day.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I forgot. I'm just used to confirming at the start of the game. LOL.
So we have a miller claim. I'd be interested on hearing the miller flavor for Kevin G; unless that rap wasn't a breadcrumb to your role.
A breadcrumb is when you drop a subtle hint about your alignment / role / character name / any information.
Your rap was a breadcrumb to a character in the movie.
Sorry, not your rap...
Ced's Rap.
I'll keep my speculation to myself for the time being. No further questions, ced.
That being said, everyone should target me toNight. Including the mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you want to vote for Iso or use your ability?
If you want to vote, it would be "vote iso". If you're a vig, then you're doing it right.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's a breadcrumb, Bolly. LOL.
All will become clear tomorrow if everyone DOES target me.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
By "right" I mean he's doing it "correctly."
I don't think anyone should be vigged so soon.
IGMEOY, ced.
I think I'm gonna sit back for a little bit and let others post now.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Unvote
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Where did you come to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see?
He was talking about a past game and we both know a VT can be cleared *typically* by a cop investigation, where a miller typically shows up as guilty.
*typically* baring any bastard mod that puts in a insane cop that does not tell the person they are insane.
Hate RVS so I will go right into questions instead.
1) How active of a player are you?
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
My answers:
1) I post at least once a day (weekends are the only time there is an exception to this rule). I would say fairly active but not spammy.
2) Cyan mafia - mafia self watcher - won end game
">Flame Warriors - Killed night 2 (cop) - lost
3) I go off of odd things. I have seen people do things that look strange during RVS and sometimes RVS with no info and just adding nothing to the game.
4) I used to think miller claims were town till I saw scum do it one day. Now I wait and see how the player behaves in the game before I determine anything.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I'm very active during a game. Except if it's during school or when I'm asleep. But, I'm an internet junkie so during the daytime I'm almost always on.
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
Town: Pulp Fiction - http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=365380&highlight=pulp+fiction
I've never played scum, but I've played Serial Killer: Star Trek Myriad Universes - http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=348320&highlight=star+trek
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
Not until the very end.
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
Null tell.
Not at all. You have to twist my arm to get me to avoid prods.
My sig contains a link to all of my completed games. *Opens arms* I recommend Starcraft Mafia for scum (as it's my most recently completed scum game) and Osteria Mafia for town (as it's a recently finished town game where I feel I did my standard bat**** insane Iso stuff and played fairly well in conjunction to that).
Yep.
All of the above!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think I'm fairly active and unless I'm V/LA I usually post at least once a day.
I really new and don't have any completed games yet.
Nothing you can use day 1 but there seems like there is usually something there in later days to look back on once a death has happened.
I'm not sure... In fact I'm going to go look up what a miller does right now.
mmmm I think that's a bit of a stretch.
1) Bolly didn't vote for you
2) suspicion is one thing, believing someone is scum for actions is another.
I'm still not seeing how you conclude that Bolly is looking to lynch you right now based on your claim.
IGMEOY, ced.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I found this link for anyone else that is new:
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Miller
Based on this I think a miller claim is null early in the game. It seems like there really isn't a way to prove it.
You can wait.
In addition, I'm TRYING not to rack up my post count in this game, but you're making it very difficult for me to not do that.
In the meantime, try not to be so anti-town by prompting me to do something when it's not time for me to do something yet.
Thanks.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It sounded like you were saying Bolly wanted to lynch you based on your claim.
I also asked you in my question you quoted about where you came to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Things I "discovered" and are probably true:
Bolly is very,very probably town
This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia
Mafia doesn't have daytalk
I suspect Pinky is scum
unvote, vote Pinky
I think I know the answer to this, but I don't want to make assumptions so please expand.
Let's consider for a moment you are town, in this case town targeting you will surely benefit town for unknown reasons. But why would mafia agree with your plan? I mean, it's not like you could have their best interests in mind and they know it. So what you just did was a favor to them, because they now know they shouldn't use their powers on you.
So I ask, why Iso? (I'm not fishing, I don't want to know your abilities if any, just mafia theory)
Two questions:
why you only want one and just one example of each? Why did you choose those particular examples?
Yes, there's one. Lynching them.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I know you're not fishing.
I'm not sure how to answer this without making my plan ineffective with my answer. Just know that I have a good reason.
What do you think of ced?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's anti-town because it's preventing me from scumhunting as effectively as I'd like. Demanding an answer from me in this scenario throws a wrench in my cogs because of what I'm trying to observe. I am absolutely not prioritizing control over scumhunting - they are analogous in this scenario.
Yeah. Too many people *****ing about how frequently I post and how spammy games make it more difficult for the town to win. So, whatever.
Probably for the same reasons I do.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay I understand everything but this. If it won't hurt the town, can you explain how you arrived to this conclusion?
I suppose I'll answer pinky's questions to start with:
Definitely not a lurker, but no more active than can be reasonably expected from someone with a full time job. I'll probably post a couple times a day on average, more on the weekends.
Town - Points Mafia
Scum - Court Mafia (and what a hilarious scum game too!)
Not as a rule, but you do occasionally see a valid lead spring from how someone votes or how they react to a random vote. Or sometimes, the original player who does something odd is town, but an overeager scum jumps on them and exposes himself in the process. It's a worthwhile tradition, in my opinion.
"Wait and see" is approximately correct. I don't consider it sound to push for someone's lynch on day 1 solely in response to a miller claim. At the same time, it is definitively not null, as some (including ced, interestingly) have argued. I don't see how a player saying "if investigated, I will turn up scum" can be considered null. It's just not enough to warrant a wagon in absence of any behavioral evidence.
And now a few items on my own agenda:
What is your basis for making this statement?
How exactly did you "discover" these little tidbits?
Not so weak when paired with meta.
Now you know why I didn't want to answer you immediately.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote pinkys_brain
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
People could say just look at my blog. I wanted to see if they picked something or not. Second I looked at my own blog picked the most recent scum game and the one above it and copied and pasted.
Any reason you chose not to answer the questions?
How do you know this?
what?
I quoted your comment and asked it to you. So how is it unclear?
*Looks at Bolly comment*
I have no clue how you come to that. I quoted Ced's post, bolded the part that bothered me and questioned him about it.
How did I misinterpret Ced's comment when (1) I'm asking him about it. (2) trying to clarify the meaning.
Oohhh goody Iso and Drey are playing charades in which they give clues without saying anything to anyone about what they are thinking.
You think someone is scummy say what it is. You can't then all it is and just words. No case means no one follows you. If you think someone is scum there should be a push on it with reason.
I absolutely despise players that say X is scum, like it's a flipping guessing game and then grin like (insert comment here that is not nice) then continue on like it really meant nothing at all.
Seriously you two (looks at Iso and Drey) if you going to do the guessing game then shut up. You have a reason spit it out.
*deep breathe*
So far not a fan of ced.
Drey's post does nothing to say town to me. He usually puts more reasoning for things and doesn't vote without a reason. Aslo posting that scum have no day talk something only scum would know.
No read on arimnaes or Eron at this time.
Annaria is probably town. Same with Bolly.
Iso is the loose cannon cop. (joke go watch Fairly Odd Parents for reference). Seriously Iso just one of those I can't read because of the chaos he ensues as town and scum.
@Iso: Why did you name Starcraft Mafia. I'm curious what made you pick that over other games you were scum in.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Why does it matter to you if they picked a specific game or not?
How do YOU know it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roU_AoHyReA
^Obviously what you're referencing, but is that because I defy common meta of Mafia?
Reading is tech
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I like you, too.
Let's elope.
But really, I'm curious as to what you mean by this.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Someone may want to hide a game they played scum better or they picked something more recently because like me it is something I think is more closer to how I play mafia.
Drey said the comment like he knows for fact scum don't have day talk. I'm asking him how he knows.
Hey not everyone is a Fairly Godparents fan. My husband thinks I'm nuts.
Reading is tech [/QUOTE]
huh I thought 1984 was the most recent scum game for you...???
Did starcraft end???
I quoted your post and asked you the question here and quoted your comment. What did you think I was talking about in that post?
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
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Yeah, that was a bit strange. But apparently Iso has a reputation for being a bit strange. So, I'm just gonna take it with a grain of salt and assume there's a method to his madness.
I have a tendency to tunnel at the start of the game. I'm trying to get out of that nitch and go with keeping my eye on things.
So far the first person I'm suspicious of more times then not is town or there is a miscommunication or I'm right. After what happened in Clue Mafia I'm keeping a more open mind on things.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I can't claim to have done that, but my reason causes me to lean more heavily on the side of scum, here. Not all games have townie millers; all games have mafia. You are probably the most "established" player in this game, given that I haven't been around in over a year and you've got a nice shiny player of the year award, which means you're the most likely default investigation target and thus would be strongly incentivized to claim miller as scum.
None of this logic precludes you from being a townie miller, of course. I just find that a slightly less likely explanation than you being scum, so I count it as a point against you.
Maybe his hair is so big it's filled with secrets.