One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
It is a dark time for Middle Earth. The vile armies of the evil Lord Sauron have come rampaging out of Mordor and into the lands of men. At the same time, the armies of the traitorous Wizard, Saruman, march forth from the stronghold of Isengard. A shadow lies over the land, as those who were once friend, have now become foe. You have been summoned to the Council of Elrond, there to discuss the future of the world of Man and Elf, Dwarf and Hobbit.
But Evil has infiltrated the Council, hidden by dark magics. They seek to destroy from within, and, more importantly, they seek to recover that which was stolen from their Master. The Ring of Power. The One Ring of Lord Sauron.
At night, Sauron’s servants may attempt to eliminate one member of the Council. By day, the Council meets in an effort to determine the identity of the infiltrators, and votes to execute the most likely suspect, for it is only in death that their spell will be broken and their true identities revealed. Hard times make for hard decisions.
The Ring remains hidden at present, but its influence can be felt everywhere. Those who control it wield great powers, but at what price?
Let all beware the corrupting power of the Ring.
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The Living:
1. God Child
8. aurorasparrow
Passed from this World:
17. help im a bug (ORC-Mafia) Strangled to death Night 1
20. StevieT92 (SAMWISE GAMGEE-Town) Beheaded Night 1
3. Hawkeye7 (ARAGORN-Town Investigator/Future King) Hacked to pieces Night 1
13. Fayul (WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR-Mafia with Morgul blade) Lynched Day 1
7. Azrael (RIDER OF ROHAN-Student of Aragorn) Hacked to pieces Night 2
6. Pibbly (GALADRIAL-Town Gift Giver) Strangled Night 2
16. Deadly Budah (ORC-Mafia) Lynched Day 2
12. bateleur (ELF OF RIVENDELL-Student of Elrond) Strangled and hacked to pieces Night 3?
10. Rhinocero (SARUMAN-Mafia with Palintir) Lynched Day 3
11. titus (RIDER OR ROHAN-Town) Stabbed through the heart Night 4
5. draygn_mage (SOLDIER OF GONDOR-Town) Consumed by fire Night 4
15. Enigma91 (BOROMIR-Town Vigilante) Strangled and Hacked Night 4
2. dazbog_eaterofsouls (FARAMIR-Town) Lynched Day 4
4. LJustus (RIDER OF ROHAN-Town) Hacked to pieces Night 5
18. Puzzle (replacing worthawholebean) (SOLDIER OF GONDOR-Town) Strangled Night 5
19. swinkee (GOLLUM-Serial Killer) - Lynched Day 5
14. Hawkeye7 (replacing Armlx) (RIDER OF ROHAN-Town) Killed in Endgame
9. epeeguy (replacing SOS) (ELROND-Town Healer) Killed in Endgame
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It is now Night 1. All Players please confirm receipt of your Roles via PM. You may also submit any night choices that you have. Night will end sometime on Monday, June 6, or sooner if all choices are submitted sooner.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
‘You have done well to come,’ said Elrond. ‘You will hear today all that you need in order to understand the purposes of the Enemy. There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it. But you do not stand alone.’
The Lord of the Rings, Book 2
J.R.R.Tolkien
Dawn breaks over the valley as the members of the Council assemble to begin discussions of the matters at hand. Immediately, however, the absence of several members is noted. Could the Evil among you have struck so quickly?
Hurriedly you rush forth, dreading the thought of what you may find, but the first news you receive is encouraging. In the nearest bedchamber you discover the body of help im a bug. The spell of concealment which shrouded him has been dispelled and you can see that he was, in truth, an ORC (Mafia). He appears to have been strangled in his bed during the night. Also, bits and pieces of his body appear gnawed upon. Good news indeed, although somewhat disturbing.
Alas, that is the last good news that this morning will reveal. In the next chamber you find the remains of StevieT92, SAMWISE GAMGEE (Town). He appears to have been beheaded by a single mighty blow from a weapon of some kind. Who could have done such a thing to this most innocent and faithful of gardeners?
Finally, with a dreadful sense of foreboding, you enter the chamber of Hawkeye7. You note the signs of struggle, Hawkeye7 did not go easily, but in the end it appears he was overcome—and hacked into many pieces. Some of which appear to be missing. And thus did pass away ARAGORN son of Arathorn, Ranger and Elf-Friend, heir to the throne of Gondor (Town Investigator/Future King).
Under this cloud of darkness, the Council is convened.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Even more painfully, we've lost an investigator already.
Still, an orc died too so I suppose it could have been worse. Aragorn for one random orc, though... I'm sure I don't remember that happening in the novels.
It's interesting to speculate as to whether help im a bug's death was a lucky shot or was actually targetted somehow. The idea that a pro-town vigilante might have fired at random is a bit... well... odd.
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Th orc was.... chewed on? Actually there is an SK-type character who might be capable of that now that I think of it. Losing Aragorn day 1 is definately not encouraging. Hell 3 deaths on night 1 is not encouraging. But as to who could possibly be in this game.... I think the fellowship (I was originally going to say the fellowship minus the hobbits but Sam's here so, why not?)
-Gandalf
-Gimli
-Legolas
-Aragorn (Dead)
-Frodo (pretty much a given)
-Samwise (dead) (WHO KILLED SAM!?!?!? YOU SICK PEOPLE!)
-Merry and Pippin (mason group?)
-Boromir
Any others from outside the fellowship?
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
Hurriedly you rush forth, dreading the thought of what you may find, but the first news you receive is encouraging. In the nearest bedchamber you discover the body of help im a bug. The spell of concealment which shrouded him has been dispelled and you can see that he was, in truth, an ORC (Mafia). He appears to have been strangled in his bed during the night. Also, bits and pieces of his body appear gnawed upon. Good news indeed, although somewhat disturbing.
Sounds like the work of everyone's favorite neutral character: Gollum/Smeagol. In the books (and the movie), his typical method of killing was strangulation. My money is on him as our SK.
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Alas, that is the last good news that this morning will reveal. In the next chamber you find the remains of StevieT92, SAMWISE GAMGEE (Town). He appears to have been beheaded by single mighty blow from a weapon of some kind. Who could have done such a thing to this most innocent and faithful of gardeners?
Hmm. Possibly the work of Lurtz, Saruman's orc lackey. It could very well be that we have a two mafia set-up, since Saruman and Sauron aren't exactly aligned.
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Finally, with a dreadful sense of foreboding, you enter the chamber of Hawkeye7. You note the signs of struggle, Hawkeye7 did not go easily, but in the end it appears he was overcome—and hacked into many pieces. Some of which appear to be missing. And thus did pass away ARAGORN son of Arathorn, Ranger and Elf-Friend, heir to the throne of Gondor (Town Investigator/Future King).
My guess here is the Nazgul. Much like the night attack in Bree, where the hobbits' beds were chopped to pieces.
Other possibilities are that the Witch King of Angmar killed Sam, and a bunch of orcs killed Aragorn. In that case, the Nazgul are striking singly, and Saruman is using his orcs to kill. Either way you intrepret that, it seems likely that we're facing gollum as SK, with Mordor and Isengard as rival mafia (hopefully Isengard has less members than Mordor, or we're going to be in trouble).
All things considered, we're going to have to pray that we get a lot of crossfire action, and we'll have to plan our lynches very carefully. With three characters dying a night, and our investigator already dealt with, we have very little room for error here.
Good analysis Azrael. Of all people you should know this based on your avatar. Had I been mod, I would have wanted to give you hawkeye's role just for fun.
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To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
Double mafia makes sense.. the only other thing I can think of is a misguided vigilante, but I can't think of any vigilante who would kill in the above manners (closest is perhaps Boromir killing Aragorn). I wonder what powers "Future King" bestows..
Hrm. I can't think of why some of Aragorn's body would be missing. The orcs don't eat humans, do they?
Well, assuming double mafia.. theres probably a larger than normal amount of mafia, and thus not as many town roles outside of the fellowship as we'd expect. I'd also expect the town to have powers since we'll be dying extremely fast, but Sam apparently had none so maybe not. I'd at least expect him to have some sort of "save Frodo" ability.
-Gandalf - healer? jack of all trades?
-Gimli - no idea
-Legolas - vig?
-Aragorn (Dead)
-Frodo - hard to kill?
-Samwise (dead) -Merry and Pippin (mason group?)
-Boromir - no idea
Faramir? Theoden? Galadriel? Liv Tyler? Agent Smith?
this game setup is interesting.. the town can prove their roleclaims easily, but if they do they'll get killed too fast to lynch people and win. Then the two mafia + gollum would go after each other. Cool way to balance a name-specific mafia.
Perhaps Samwise was killed by the cave troll? though I guess cave troll isn't aligned to anyone.. nor is balrog.
Gollum's probably the SK with the win condition: Kill Frodo or whomever has the ring.
Speaking of which, what happens if frodo dies? does the killer get the ring? does gollum just become an SK?
I highly doubt that there's a cave troll. I'm about 99% sure that Gollum is an SK. I was thinking he would before we even started. Faramir and Theoden seem like likely roles outside the fellowship. Frodo has to have some kind of protection. Because if the ring is taken by the mafia....well I'd have to think of reasonable thing to happen then...
EDIT via doublr post: Arwen looks doubtful because she had such a diminished role in the books, but Elrond is a possibility. Perhaps Eowyn?
No need for a question mark there armlx. That would be the deceased orc !
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20 people - 8 mafia - 1 sk = 11 townies/ 4 kills every day = extremely short-lived town. I think 3 on each side is more reasonable, Saruman Lurtz Orc and either
sauron nazgul witchking
witchking nazgul nazgul
the former makes more sense since it's similar to the orcs. saruman and sauron probably have some special ability. save us treebeard.
Hmmmmm.. my initial reaction was that trading 2 townies for one mafia member was a good thing, but since it seems like we could have 2 mafia groups, it seems like for once the war of attrition isn't in the town's favour.
wow three at once. As for people that could be here, what about bilbo? he also seems like he could have an SK like ability considering he goes crazy when he see's the ring and almost chokes frodo, so the method of choking could account for Arragon but gollum does also make alot of sense. I don't really think legolas would be an SK, at least not one we've seen, for some reason I see him as killing with arrows.
On the matter of a double mafia I really doubt it, because of all the possibilities mentioned have all been on the side of Sauron so why would they be out to kill each other? I think it's more likely a large mafia, something like 7-8 and my preliminary guess of charecters included
Grima Wormtounge- maybe a godfather type role? or maybe a cultist? not too sure
Sarumon- could also be a godfather role, maybe a roleblocker?
Witch king-.? no idea
Nazgul-possibly more than one, search's for ring? Axel, does the mafia win if they get the ring, or is it like normal mafia?
Orcs- basic mafia probably 2
Then for town roles I would think something like
Arragorn- cop
Legolas- maybe like a watcher?
Gandalf- prolly doc
Sam- basic townie
Frodo- as aurora said prolly hard to kill
Boromir- maybe a vig?
Merry, Pipin- prolly basic townies
Gimli- hmmm not sure on this one
Elrond?- not sure what he'd be but he could be here
Arrowin(sp?)- Maybe another doc? something like that
Neutral:
Gollum/Bilbo- SK
Not sure what else to expect, but this is gonna turn out interesting
At least there's a mafia dead... We lost two townies, and one was an investigator. That doesn't seem like a good deal to me.
About the SK: At the start of the game, I was thinking that Shelob was a likely SK. However, neither kill description really fits that. The speculation about Gollum as the SK also seems unlikely. Gollum seems unlikely as an SK for the same reason: both of the kill descriptions suggest swords, and Gollum doesn't usually use swords.
One question that might be important about the flavor aspect of the game is whether roles are assigned based on the books or on the movies. If Axelrod is using the books, we might see things like Tom Bombadil missing from the movies; on the other hand, if it's based on the movies, it's likely that we'll see roles such as Arwen that were greatly larger in the movies.
Also, if we are seeing a two mafia setup, as some are suggesting - and as seems likely from the large numbers of kills - it's quite possible that we have multiple power roles.
Finally, possible roles: We might not see roles always be based around flavor. Just looking at the books we see a ton of roles that would be perfect as cops or vigs.
No vote for now.
EDIT by way of double post @ Enigma - A few things.
In the book, Saruman competed with Sauron quite a bit, as I remember it. They aren't certainly on the same side.
Bilbo seems somewhat likely as an SK.
I'm not really sure enumerating possible townie roles is a good idea.
And the first kill description indicates strangulation....and chewing. If that's NOt Gollum....I just don't know. Gollum is THE perfect SK completely neutral and wants what the enemy is looking for. And if Axelrod is basing these off the movies....God help us all.
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And the first kill description indicates strangulation....and chewing. If that's NOt Gollum....I just don't know. Gollum is THE perfect SK completely neutral and wants what the enemy is looking for. And if Axelrod is basing these off the movies....God help us all.
I could have sworn I remembered him saying something about it in the signup thread, but when I've gone back to look, no mention of whether this is based on the movies or the books, or a mixture of both.
Well, are we sure that Axelrod is basing this game on the books as opposed to the movie?
Bilbo isn't exactly SK material in the movies, either. He's a victim of the power of the ring, but he's not a villain by any stretch of the imagination.
I haven't read the books in a while so sorta not sure about the saron, sarumon thing. All I remember was that they were both evil so I sorta connected the two I guess.
@Azreal- all I'm getting at is that he nearly kills frodo becasuse he wants the ring back, and it fits the way that Help was killed, except the chewing part, that points to gollum.
Should we try to come with a puzzle esque plan? like maybe humans and not humans? not to sure but we need some kind of plan to go with
Plus, being a geriatric feeble old hobbit, he would hardly be in condition to choke any one.
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'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning. 'Lo, they do call to me. They bid me to take my place amongst them in the halls of Valhalla. Where the brave may live forever.
I haven't read the books in a while so sorta not sure about the saron, sarumon thing. All I remember was that they were both evil so I sorta connected the two I guess.
@Azreal- all I'm getting at is that he nearly kills frodo becasuse he wants the ring back, and it fits the way that Help was killed, except the chewing part, that points to gollum.
Should we try to come with a puzzle esque plan? like maybe humans and not humans? not to sure but we need some kind of plan to go with
I think its safe to assume Golem is in the game, and once that assumption is made, its fairly obvious that he would be a SK.
I'm somewhat suspicious that you would think Bilbo might be a SK, because you could be trying to direct attention away from Golem, but it strikes me more as an error than anything malicious.
I'm actually just putting up as a possibility. I do agree with everyone that gollum is the most likely character to be an SK, but I'm just putting up other possibilities.
I'm actually just putting up as a possibility. I do agree with everyone that gollum is the most likely character to be an SK, but I'm just putting up other possibilities.
Read: "I disagreed with you earlier, but when you thought it was suspicious now I completely agree with everything you say."
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference, and a ****ing chainsaw.
I find it kind of odd that no votes have been cast yet, and this suprises me. The only way for us to get information is by watching peoples voting patterns, and seeing their reactions to votes.
Vote: StevieT92. He arrives late, agrees with a joke post, and complements the mod. COme on guys, lets take this game seriously. This isn't an attempt to lynch you, but this is me saying I'd like some effort out in. Also, learning, and stuff.
I'm actually going to second that vote stevie. I don't usually place votes this early, but that move strikes me as typical of an inexperieneced mafia agent trying not to draw attention or reveal too much, but worried about not appearing to be a lurker.
I'm not going to vote stevie...however he could have made a constructive post. He has thoughts...so he must have thoughts on whats going on. He could at least agreed with some of our comments. I have my eye on you Stevie.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
Not to step in unnecessarily, since I'm sure someone will realize this eventually, but StevieT was Sam. That was more or less his farewell post, guys.
No votes count for him.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
And here I was thinking some action aws actually going to start..
I dont think it'll matter much if axelrod uses the movies or books. Tom Bombadil is a small neutral character so whatever.. arwen might be a minor doc, but that would be the only difference.
We shouldn't auto-assume two mafia. It could be one mafia with two kills, though both townie kills were done with blades which the two most evil characters don't use. Maybe witch-king gets an extra kill; otherwise I think it's two mafia. Anyone care to clear this up?
Actually, I wonder.. if there are two mafia, what color does Axelrod put for Sauron's mafia when they die? Also red? might we go through the game unsure of whether there is one mafia or two? Because bug was listed as mafia instead of saruman mafia.
In defense of dual mafia, "evil" is a broad term that could apply to two different groups.
And finally, theres always the possibility that the mafia get a one-shot extra kill and used it last night to maximize the effect and confuse the hell out of the townies.
Actually, this is very plausible, since with powered up townies (aint nobody gonna make gimli a vanilla townie) the mafia should get abilities too, and dual mafia + SK makes the mafia very fragile as well, and if the game gets down to the two mafia it would be pretty lame since nobody would change their mind. Dual mafia actually gives the mafia a disadvantage because of friendly fire and such.
Do something suspicous, guys. Id hate to lynch a lurker.
I concur completely. Enigma91's post does seem to be trying to draw attention away from Gollum, and lynching an SK early would definitely help the town. FOS: Enigma91. I'm not going to vote yet, but we should definitely keep an eye on
him.
...except that we don't know who Gollum is, so distracting attention from him really wouldn't be all that much help, don't you think?
FOS: Worthawholebean.
(I'm guessing that you are actually still in the game, right?)
meh....I get what he was trying to say... proposing Bilbo as an SK might be seen as a move to put us off the path (I think Worthawholebean is assuming that enigma would be Gollum). How ever I think Enigma was merely proposing another possibility. And we can't be jumping on people for proposing possibilities. But I think worthawholebean was simply reading into the idea too much.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
All consuming paranoia tends to be a good tool for staying alive so I'm going to second the notion that Enigma has either advertently revealed himself as Gollum or made a rather suicidal role claim.
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nobody knows who gollum is, and nobody will soon because we have a dead inspector. even if we somehow knew everyones' roles, I dont think it'd work because I don't see bilbo as being a character. He's not interesting enough to make a role out of.
No.... all consuming paranoia is a good way to make stupid assumptions. I thought the same thing when I saw Enigma proposing Bilbo as an SK....however I don't think that it was a ploy to put us off the path. It would a good time to throw out such a ploy but the way he did it was not the way I would go about it. I think we're all reading into his comments too deeply.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
I think that it's possible that Bilbo is a character (interesting enough to be the hero of a book but not interesting enough to be a character?) but I definitely think that Gollum is way more likely to be the SK, in retrospect. Enigma's rapid retraction doesn't seem too suspicious to me.
Well....if you want to get technical....The Hobbit wasn't really part of LOTR...it was a prequel. Bilbo is LOTR has a very small part. Which is why i don't think he's a viable character.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
A quick back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that things look pretty bad for the town if there really are two mafia kills per night.
Do any of your more experienced players have any comments on how double-mafia-kill games are balanced ? What gives the town a chance ? Will the number of kills go down now we've taken out one of the mafia ?
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Well I don't think we'll really know whats going on with the number of kills per night (and therefore the actual mafia setup) until tomorrow morning. If there are 3 lynches... well it could mean one of 2 things:
- 2 mafia and an SK
-1 mafia, a SK, and a town vig
If there are only 2 kills:
-1 mafia, an SK, ad a one-shot town/mafia vig.....or someone didn't use thier ability.
I don't know if theres any way we can tell for sure....but I think we can only soeculate on the mafia setup unitl we have clearer evidence on day 2. That being said, today's lynch is going to be a bit difficult. Anyone have a cunning plan (tm)?
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
Geeze, did we have to loose Aragorn on the first night? Altough, it does make me wonder was "Furture King" was, maybe he gains Uber abilities after night 3 or something? Adding up all the night kills first made me thing 2 mafia, 1 SK but the point about one of the Mafia using an extra night kill to cause confusion does make a lot of sence. Right about here is where i usually contradict myself, ill try not to do that. All right then, one last thing to say, im pretty sure that we are going off the books (i have flavour reasons to believe so)
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Obligatory FOS: SOS. Voting No Lynch only helps the mafia.
I agree with Azrael's analysis of the situation. We are looking at two mafia groups. I would imagine that they are as small as 2 or 3 players in each group. Either that or some townies have very powerful abilities to offset the number of kills. Maybe we have multiple docs. Either way, I think this game is going to be both fun and challenging.
Also, I think Axel may have been prepared for the Puzzle Factor in that I don't think that there will be some Cunning Plan (TM) that will be the answer to the game. That's really not what a game of mafia is about. Let's lynch some scum the old-fashioned way!
@Fayul/WAWB: did everyone read my posts fully, I said that bilbo was a possibility but the evidence pointed towards gollum more. Also it doesn't matter if I put up bilbo as a possibility; because there is no garuntee that either gollum or bilbo are in the game, so me mentioning someone as possible role x won't matter unless someone name claims, which at this point is stupid.
@Daz: I think the most likely set up is 1 mafia, 1 SK, and 1 Vig, if this is a two mafia game then the town would die just a little fast don't you think?
It would seem that the town would die a little quickly, but we can't rule out the possibility of a one-shot mafia vig killing on the first night to create confusion (if so it has worked. But a scenario with 2 mafia would not be prmising for the town. Lets assume 2 mafias and an SK. That's 3 kills per night. The town would last at the worst days. And that does seem a bit fast. I think the most likely situation would be that the mafia had an extra night kill and they decided to confuse us (or perhaps an inexperienced player just used it). But a town vig also males a bit of sense. Morning will tell.
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A town vig firing away wouldn't make much sense, it doesn't account for the implied presence of the forces of Sauron, Saruman, and Gollum in the game. But on the off-chance we do have a town vig, they really should hold their fire for the time being: we need to reduce the rate of night-kills as much as possible.
And although a 2 mafia set-up might seem unbalanced, the reduced size of the two groups (most likely 3-3 each, or 4-2, or even 3-2) gives us a fighting chance, especially if the mafias and our SK get some hot crossfire action going on. Things will be tough if they can avoid hitting each other, but the situation is far from hopeless.
It is a dark time for Middle Earth. The vile armies of the evil Lord Sauron have come rampaging out of Mordor and into the lands of men. At the same time, the armies of the traitorous Wizard, Saruman, march forth from the stronghold of Isengard. A shadow lies over the land, as those who were once friend, have now become foe. You have been summoned to the Council of Elrond, there to discuss the future of the world of Man and Elf, Dwarf and Hobbit.
But Evil has infiltrated the Council, hidden by dark magics. They seek to destroy from within, and, more importantly, they seek to recover that which was stolen from their Master. The Ring of Power. The One Ring of Lord Sauron.
At night, Sauron’s servants may attempt to eliminate one member of the Council. By day, the Council meets in an effort to determine the identity of the infiltrators, and votes to execute the most likely suspect, for it is only in death that their spell will be broken and their true identities revealed. Hard times make for hard decisions.
The Ring remains hidden at present, but its influence can be felt everywhere. Those who control it wield great powers, but at what price?
Let all beware the corrupting power of the Ring.
MOD. NOTE: Although the setting for this game is the Council of Elrond, that is strictly for flavor purposes, and you should not make any assumptions about what characters will or will not be present at the Council based on who was there in the actual novel.
The rules we live by:
1. God Child
8. aurorasparrow
Passed from this World:
17. help im a bug (ORC-Mafia) Strangled to death Night 1
20. StevieT92 (SAMWISE GAMGEE-Town) Beheaded Night 1
3. Hawkeye7 (ARAGORN-Town Investigator/Future King) Hacked to pieces Night 1
13. Fayul (WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR-Mafia with Morgul blade) Lynched Day 1
7. Azrael (RIDER OF ROHAN-Student of Aragorn) Hacked to pieces Night 2
6. Pibbly (GALADRIAL-Town Gift Giver) Strangled Night 2
16. Deadly Budah (ORC-Mafia) Lynched Day 2
12. bateleur (ELF OF RIVENDELL-Student of Elrond) Strangled and hacked to pieces Night 3?
10. Rhinocero (SARUMAN-Mafia with Palintir) Lynched Day 3
11. titus (RIDER OR ROHAN-Town) Stabbed through the heart Night 4
5. draygn_mage (SOLDIER OF GONDOR-Town) Consumed by fire Night 4
15. Enigma91 (BOROMIR-Town Vigilante) Strangled and Hacked Night 4
2. dazbog_eaterofsouls (FARAMIR-Town) Lynched Day 4
4. LJustus (RIDER OF ROHAN-Town) Hacked to pieces Night 5
18. Puzzle (replacing worthawholebean) (SOLDIER OF GONDOR-Town) Strangled Night 5
19. swinkee (GOLLUM-Serial Killer) - Lynched Day 5
14. Hawkeye7 (replacing Armlx) (RIDER OF ROHAN-Town) Killed in Endgame
9. epeeguy (replacing SOS) (ELROND-Town Healer) Killed in Endgame
-All have confirmed-
Dawn breaks over the valley as the members of the Council assemble to begin discussions of the matters at hand. Immediately, however, the absence of several members is noted. Could the Evil among you have struck so quickly?
Hurriedly you rush forth, dreading the thought of what you may find, but the first news you receive is encouraging. In the nearest bedchamber you discover the body of help im a bug. The spell of concealment which shrouded him has been dispelled and you can see that he was, in truth, an ORC (Mafia). He appears to have been strangled in his bed during the night. Also, bits and pieces of his body appear gnawed upon. Good news indeed, although somewhat disturbing.
Alas, that is the last good news that this morning will reveal. In the next chamber you find the remains of StevieT92, SAMWISE GAMGEE (Town). He appears to have been beheaded by a single mighty blow from a weapon of some kind. Who could have done such a thing to this most innocent and faithful of gardeners?
Finally, with a dreadful sense of foreboding, you enter the chamber of Hawkeye7. You note the signs of struggle, Hawkeye7 did not go easily, but in the end it appears he was overcome—and hacked into many pieces. Some of which appear to be missing. And thus did pass away ARAGORN son of Arathorn, Ranger and Elf-Friend, heir to the throne of Gondor (Town Investigator/Future King).
Under this cloud of darkness, the Council is convened.
It is now DAY 1
Still, an orc died too so I suppose it could have been worse. Aragorn for one random orc, though... I'm sure I don't remember that happening in the novels.
It's interesting to speculate as to whether help im a bug's death was a lucky shot or was actually targetted somehow. The idea that a pro-town vigilante might have fired at random is a bit... well... odd.
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-Gandalf
-Gimli
-Legolas
-Aragorn (Dead)
-Frodo (pretty much a given)
-Samwise (dead) (WHO KILLED SAM!?!?!? YOU SICK PEOPLE!)
-Merry and Pippin (mason group?)
-Boromir
Any others from outside the fellowship?
Sounds like the work of everyone's favorite neutral character: Gollum/Smeagol. In the books (and the movie), his typical method of killing was strangulation. My money is on him as our SK.
Hmm. Possibly the work of Lurtz, Saruman's orc lackey. It could very well be that we have a two mafia set-up, since Saruman and Sauron aren't exactly aligned.
My guess here is the Nazgul. Much like the night attack in Bree, where the hobbits' beds were chopped to pieces.
Other possibilities are that the Witch King of Angmar killed Sam, and a bunch of orcs killed Aragorn. In that case, the Nazgul are striking singly, and Saruman is using his orcs to kill. Either way you intrepret that, it seems likely that we're facing gollum as SK, with Mordor and Isengard as rival mafia (hopefully Isengard has less members than Mordor, or we're going to be in trouble).
All things considered, we're going to have to pray that we get a lot of crossfire action, and we'll have to plan our lynches very carefully. With three characters dying a night, and our investigator already dealt with, we have very little room for error here.
Hrm. I can't think of why some of Aragorn's body would be missing. The orcs don't eat humans, do they?
Well, assuming double mafia.. theres probably a larger than normal amount of mafia, and thus not as many town roles outside of the fellowship as we'd expect. I'd also expect the town to have powers since we'll be dying extremely fast, but Sam apparently had none so maybe not. I'd at least expect him to have some sort of "save Frodo" ability.
-Gandalf - healer? jack of all trades?
-Gimli - no idea
-Legolas - vig?
-Aragorn (Dead)
-Frodo - hard to kill?
-Samwise (dead) -Merry and Pippin (mason group?)
-Boromir - no idea
Faramir? Theoden? Galadriel? Liv Tyler? Agent Smith?
this game setup is interesting.. the town can prove their roleclaims easily, but if they do they'll get killed too fast to lynch people and win. Then the two mafia + gollum would go after each other. Cool way to balance a name-specific mafia.
Perhaps Samwise was killed by the cave troll? though I guess cave troll isn't aligned to anyone.. nor is balrog.
Gollum's probably the SK with the win condition: Kill Frodo or whomever has the ring.
Speaking of which, what happens if frodo dies? does the killer get the ring? does gollum just become an SK?
6-7 mafia seems about right. Probably 6.
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Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
EDIT via doublr post: Arwen looks doubtful because she had such a diminished role in the books, but Elrond is a possibility. Perhaps Eowyn?
Wormtounge
Sauroman
Orc leader
?
Other being
Witch King
Nazgul
Nazgul
Sauron
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sauron nazgul witchking
witchking nazgul nazgul
the former makes more sense since it's similar to the orcs. saruman and sauron probably have some special ability. save us treebeard.
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Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
On the matter of a double mafia I really doubt it, because of all the possibilities mentioned have all been on the side of Sauron so why would they be out to kill each other? I think it's more likely a large mafia, something like 7-8 and my preliminary guess of charecters included
Grima Wormtounge- maybe a godfather type role? or maybe a cultist? not too sure
Sarumon- could also be a godfather role, maybe a roleblocker?
Witch king-.? no idea
Nazgul-possibly more than one, search's for ring? Axel, does the mafia win if they get the ring, or is it like normal mafia?
Orcs- basic mafia probably 2
Then for town roles I would think something like
Arragorn- cop
Legolas- maybe like a watcher?
Gandalf- prolly doc
Sam- basic townie
Frodo- as aurora said prolly hard to kill
Boromir- maybe a vig?
Merry, Pipin- prolly basic townies
Gimli- hmmm not sure on this one
Elrond?- not sure what he'd be but he could be here
Arrowin(sp?)- Maybe another doc? something like that
Neutral:
Gollum/Bilbo- SK
Not sure what else to expect, but this is gonna turn out interesting
About the SK: At the start of the game, I was thinking that Shelob was a likely SK. However, neither kill description really fits that. The speculation about Gollum as the SK also seems unlikely. Gollum seems unlikely as an SK for the same reason: both of the kill descriptions suggest swords, and Gollum doesn't usually use swords.
One question that might be important about the flavor aspect of the game is whether roles are assigned based on the books or on the movies. If Axelrod is using the books, we might see things like Tom Bombadil missing from the movies; on the other hand, if it's based on the movies, it's likely that we'll see roles such as Arwen that were greatly larger in the movies.
Also, if we are seeing a two mafia setup, as some are suggesting - and as seems likely from the large numbers of kills - it's quite possible that we have multiple power roles.
Finally, possible roles: We might not see roles always be based around flavor. Just looking at the books we see a ton of roles that would be perfect as cops or vigs.
No vote for now.
EDIT by way of double post @ Enigma - A few things.
In the book, Saruman competed with Sauron quite a bit, as I remember it. They aren't certainly on the same side.
Bilbo seems somewhat likely as an SK.
I'm not really sure enumerating possible townie roles is a good idea.
The Books > One shot in the Fellowship of the Ring, fabricated completely by Peter Jackson/Fran Walsh.
I could have sworn I remembered him saying something about it in the signup thread, but when I've gone back to look, no mention of whether this is based on the movies or the books, or a mixture of both.
Bilbo isn't exactly SK material in the movies, either. He's a victim of the power of the ring, but he's not a villain by any stretch of the imagination.
@Azreal- all I'm getting at is that he nearly kills frodo becasuse he wants the ring back, and it fits the way that Help was killed, except the chewing part, that points to gollum.
Should we try to come with a puzzle esque plan? like maybe humans and not humans? not to sure but we need some kind of plan to go with
I think its safe to assume Golem is in the game, and once that assumption is made, its fairly obvious that he would be a SK.
I'm somewhat suspicious that you would think Bilbo might be a SK, because you could be trying to direct attention away from Golem, but it strikes me more as an error than anything malicious.
i agree.
great flavor writing axelrod
Nothing else to add yet?
Read: "I disagreed with you earlier, but when you thought it was suspicious now I completely agree with everything you say."
Try to contribute to the game, yeah?
I find it kind of odd that no votes have been cast yet, and this suprises me. The only way for us to get information is by watching peoples voting patterns, and seeing their reactions to votes.
Vote: StevieT92. He arrives late, agrees with a joke post, and complements the mod. COme on guys, lets take this game seriously. This isn't an attempt to lynch you, but this is me saying I'd like some effort out in. Also, learning, and stuff.
No votes count for him.
*smacks head*
Well, I guess I'll just sit back and wait for some of the stragglers to post, and see what happens from there.
I dont think it'll matter much if axelrod uses the movies or books. Tom Bombadil is a small neutral character so whatever.. arwen might be a minor doc, but that would be the only difference.
We shouldn't auto-assume two mafia. It could be one mafia with two kills, though both townie kills were done with blades which the two most evil characters don't use. Maybe witch-king gets an extra kill; otherwise I think it's two mafia. Anyone care to clear this up?
Actually, I wonder.. if there are two mafia, what color does Axelrod put for Sauron's mafia when they die? Also red? might we go through the game unsure of whether there is one mafia or two? Because bug was listed as mafia instead of saruman mafia.
In defense of dual mafia, "evil" is a broad term that could apply to two different groups.
And finally, theres always the possibility that the mafia get a one-shot extra kill and used it last night to maximize the effect and confuse the hell out of the townies.
Actually, this is very plausible, since with powered up townies (aint nobody gonna make gimli a vanilla townie) the mafia should get abilities too, and dual mafia + SK makes the mafia very fragile as well, and if the game gets down to the two mafia it would be pretty lame since nobody would change their mind. Dual mafia actually gives the mafia a disadvantage because of friendly fire and such.
Do something suspicous, guys. Id hate to lynch a lurker.
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Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
...except that we don't know who Gollum is, so distracting attention from him really wouldn't be all that much help, don't you think?
FOS: Worthawholebean.
(I'm guessing that you are actually still in the game, right?)
nobody knows who gollum is, and nobody will soon because we have a dead inspector. even if we somehow knew everyones' roles, I dont think it'd work because I don't see bilbo as being a character. He's not interesting enough to make a role out of.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
This is all technicalities anyway. I don't think it will really matter.
Do any of your more experienced players have any comments on how double-mafia-kill games are balanced ? What gives the town a chance ? Will the number of kills go down now we've taken out one of the mafia ?
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- 2 mafia and an SK
-1 mafia, a SK, and a town vig
If there are only 2 kills:
-1 mafia, an SK, ad a one-shot town/mafia vig.....or someone didn't use thier ability.
I don't know if theres any way we can tell for sure....but I think we can only soeculate on the mafia setup unitl we have clearer evidence on day 2. That being said, today's lynch is going to be a bit difficult. Anyone have a cunning plan (tm)?
I agree with Azrael's analysis of the situation. We are looking at two mafia groups. I would imagine that they are as small as 2 or 3 players in each group. Either that or some townies have very powerful abilities to offset the number of kills. Maybe we have multiple docs. Either way, I think this game is going to be both fun and challenging.
Also, I think Axel may have been prepared for the Puzzle Factor in that I don't think that there will be some Cunning Plan (TM) that will be the answer to the game. That's really not what a game of mafia is about. Let's lynch some scum the old-fashioned way!
@Daz: I think the most likely set up is 1 mafia, 1 SK, and 1 Vig, if this is a two mafia game then the town would die just a little fast don't you think?
And although a 2 mafia set-up might seem unbalanced, the reduced size of the two groups (most likely 3-3 each, or 4-2, or even 3-2) gives us a fighting chance, especially if the mafias and our SK get some hot crossfire action going on. Things will be tough if they can avoid hitting each other, but the situation is far from hopeless.