So many of us are pleased to hear that there will be another Legacy format Grand Prix, and not just because it keeps the secondary values of our cards up after extended rotates. Thanks in advance! There is, however, something many of us are sad about, so my question is: Why isn't the eternal rating required to earn a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round bye lower than constructed? With a lot less eternal sanctioned events, it's harder to get a decent rating in that format. Many of us wish that eternal ratings would just be merged into Constructed ratings. If that can't happen, will you consider lowering the eternal rating requirements for Grand Prix Columbus? As I write this question, this is how many people would qualify for a bye based off rating.
5 out of the entire world would get a 3rd round bye with a Rating > 2025
41 out of the entire world would get a 2nd round bye with a Rating > 1925
203 out of the entire world would get a 1st round bye with a Rating > 1850
Now compare that to how many people are eligible for round byes in other formats, I imagine there is a big difference.
I am hoping that the bye structure for Grand Prix Columbus will be something like this:
1st round bye: Constructed rating higher 1850 than or an eternal rating higher than: 1720
2nd round bye: Constructed rating higher than 1925 or an eternal rating higher than: 1795
3rd round bye: Constructed rating higher than 2025 or an eternal rating higher than: 1895
If that isn't an option, it would be nice if the eternal ratings were merged with the constructed ratings. I hope this makes it as an Ask Wizards question or that it helps change things so that players care more about their Eternal Rating. Thanks as always!
Chris
I know they could argue that since you also qualify on constructed rating, more people actually qualify...but most of the people that qualify on constructed ratings don't even play Eternal Formats. Look at Roland Chang, he won the type 1 and 1.5 championship, but his constructed rating is 1670: http://webapp.wizards.com/ratings.aspx?action=search_member&personid=1519486&brandid=1
He doesn't even qualify for a 2nd round bye and he's the king of the format!
Too true. DCI give a warm sparrow fart for eternal? You'd have more luck convincing the sun to rise in the west. From thier perspective, basing things off Eternal would be bad, as it 'punishes' players supporting limited and standard formats - and that's thier paycheque. They are Spikes, not Timmys.
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I agree. I mean, isn't Eternal considered a 'constructed' format? We use constructed decks, so why are the ratings separated? I think at least there should be another category for total real constructed, which includes all constructed fomats.
If we had a limited tournament using older cards, it would still be considered limited for the rating.
fact is as much as they BS us in the face how they like legacy they dislike the fact that people who only play vintage and legacy could actually get a higher rating then there Paychecked "so called" pros. Wouldn't it suck for them to have there best mimited players getting outranked by a Vintage pro?
So They punish the eternal formats to help push there paycheck formats...
Could go into a whole other rant BUT It be summed up like this:
Not asking for less limited, standard, extended Events... Just asking for more Eternal events... Could more events hurt?
More events could certainly hurt. For a clear example, consider if Wizards somehow managed to host infinite tournaments over the next year. Now, there's only, what, seven million Magic players or so, including the casual ones who've never been to a tournament, who probably make up 3/4 of that number? Clearly, this isn't enough, what with the limited number of hours in a day, to fill up an infinite number of tournaments and turn a profit, resulting in Wizards taking a net loss of infinity monies.
Now, obviously this is a ridiculous exaggeration, and without statistics, it's hard to gauge whether or not more Eternal events would help or hurt Wizards' sales, but it certainly has the potential to.
As for the name, I believe it's meant to refer to the format, not the decks. In other words, Constructed and Standard are formats made from a carefully chosen number of older cards mixed with some self-contained, self-referencing newer ones (although this breaks down slightly in Extended where there's far less cohesion and clear color design). Eternal formats just include everything ever printed; they're catch-all formats, not "designed" formats aside from being an accumulation of every design ever made in the game.
Well, they've slightly updated the page...but you still have to have an 1800 eternal rating to get a 1st round bye.
You have to be ranked 574th in the world in eternal just get a 1st round bye off that rating.
That's the same as having Constructed rating of 1947...for a 1st round bye!
They need to drop down the eternal rating requirements for a bye, b/c many eternal players don't play Constructed formats...especially block or type 2 where the most tournaments (and thus easiest to get higher ratings) come from.
See logic from my first post. They never did reply to me
More events could certainly hurt. For a clear example, consider if Wizards somehow managed to host infinite tournaments over the next year. Now, there's only, what, seven million Magic players or so, including the casual ones who've never been to a tournament, who probably make up 3/4 of that number? Clearly, this isn't enough, what with the limited number of hours in a day, to fill up an infinite number of tournaments and turn a profit, resulting in Wizards taking a net loss of infinity monies. Now, obviously this is a ridiculous exaggeration, and without statistics, it's hard to gauge whether or not more Eternal events would help or hurt Wizards' sales, but it certainly has the potential to.
Okay, so you just proposed the most ridiculous example ever as a way of...what? You didn't exactly prove your point at all. Let's say that Wizards runs Legacy tournaments on a regular basis as sanctioned events. Hell, they need a name, something clever like Saturday Afternoon Magic. I'm sure guys named Sam will be tickled pink. Anyways, so they charge some minimal fee like $5 as an entry and then run three rounds with a few L1s and maybe an L2. Certainly such events wouldn't lose money. I mean, FNMs happen if there are eight people. $40 is more than enough to cover costs of running an eight-man Legacy tournament.
And to your next point: yeah, Eternal has the "potential" to hurt Wizards' sales. So does Standard. We could boycott their product. Not likely to happen, but then again the "potential" is there, right?
People like going to tournaments, they like playing with cards. We like this game. They seem to think that the Midwest has enough Legacy support, and I'm inclined to agree, considering the decent turnout for Legacy Champs there. The East Coast would probably be a hit, but then again it might not. But you know, considering the turnout at GP: Philly, I'll bet they don't actually lose money on that. Of course, you know that already and know that having sanctioned Legacy events (yes, I stole the Frog's business model, you already knew that) and maybe Legacy as the PTQ format of the season or something couldn't really hurt and maybe, just maybe, would produce enough interest so as to create a viable format with real innovation and high tournament attendance. It could happen, but Wizards hasn't done it, thus the indignance. That's the point people are making.
Remember that with Lorwyn, they were going to break a fundamental rule. I think with the clues we got into FS and this little tidbit from TCG, it will be Planeswalkers. Also gatherer now references the planeswalker type. Why do it so early. If it isn't Planeswalkers, I will submit a video of me tearing up one of my moxes
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5 out of the entire world would get a 3rd round bye with a Rating > 2025
41 out of the entire world would get a 2nd round bye with a Rating > 1925
203 out of the entire world would get a 1st round bye with a Rating > 1850
Now compare that to how many people are eligible for round byes in other formats, I imagine there is a big difference.
I am hoping that the bye structure for Grand Prix Columbus will be something like this:
1st round bye: Constructed rating higher 1850 than or an eternal rating higher than: 1720
2nd round bye: Constructed rating higher than 1925 or an eternal rating higher than: 1795
3rd round bye: Constructed rating higher than 2025 or an eternal rating higher than: 1895
If that isn't an option, it would be nice if the eternal ratings were merged with the constructed ratings. I hope this makes it as an Ask Wizards question or that it helps change things so that players care more about their Eternal Rating. Thanks as always!
Chris
I know they could argue that since you also qualify on constructed rating, more people actually qualify...but most of the people that qualify on constructed ratings don't even play Eternal Formats. Look at Roland Chang, he won the type 1 and 1.5 championship, but his constructed rating is 1670:
http://webapp.wizards.com/ratings.aspx?action=search_member&personid=1519486&brandid=1
He doesn't even qualify for a 2nd round bye and he's the king of the format!
I think it would increase turnout at eternal format events if the ratings mattered more, I know I'd like mine to matter a little more: http://webapp.wizards.com/ratings.aspx?action=search_member&personid=1518436&brandid=1
Thoughts? I just did this up quickly.
If we had a limited tournament using older cards, it would still be considered limited for the rating.
So They punish the eternal formats to help push there paycheck formats...
Could go into a whole other rant BUT It be summed up like this:
Not asking for less limited, standard, extended Events... Just asking for more Eternal events... Could more events hurt?
Now, obviously this is a ridiculous exaggeration, and without statistics, it's hard to gauge whether or not more Eternal events would help or hurt Wizards' sales, but it certainly has the potential to.
As for the name, I believe it's meant to refer to the format, not the decks. In other words, Constructed and Standard are formats made from a carefully chosen number of older cards mixed with some self-contained, self-referencing newer ones (although this breaks down slightly in Extended where there's far less cohesion and clear color design). Eternal formats just include everything ever printed; they're catch-all formats, not "designed" formats aside from being an accumulation of every design ever made in the game.
You have to be ranked 574th in the world in eternal just get a 1st round bye off that rating.
That's the same as having Constructed rating of 1947...for a 1st round bye!
They need to drop down the eternal rating requirements for a bye, b/c many eternal players don't play Constructed formats...especially block or type 2 where the most tournaments (and thus easiest to get higher ratings) come from.
See logic from my first post. They never did reply to me
Okay, so you just proposed the most ridiculous example ever as a way of...what? You didn't exactly prove your point at all. Let's say that Wizards runs Legacy tournaments on a regular basis as sanctioned events. Hell, they need a name, something clever like Saturday Afternoon Magic. I'm sure guys named Sam will be tickled pink. Anyways, so they charge some minimal fee like $5 as an entry and then run three rounds with a few L1s and maybe an L2. Certainly such events wouldn't lose money. I mean, FNMs happen if there are eight people. $40 is more than enough to cover costs of running an eight-man Legacy tournament.
And to your next point: yeah, Eternal has the "potential" to hurt Wizards' sales. So does Standard. We could boycott their product. Not likely to happen, but then again the "potential" is there, right?
People like going to tournaments, they like playing with cards. We like this game. They seem to think that the Midwest has enough Legacy support, and I'm inclined to agree, considering the decent turnout for Legacy Champs there. The East Coast would probably be a hit, but then again it might not. But you know, considering the turnout at GP: Philly, I'll bet they don't actually lose money on that. Of course, you know that already and know that having sanctioned Legacy events (yes, I stole the Frog's business model, you already knew that) and maybe Legacy as the PTQ format of the season or something couldn't really hurt and maybe, just maybe, would produce enough interest so as to create a viable format with real innovation and high tournament attendance. It could happen, but Wizards hasn't done it, thus the indignance. That's the point people are making.
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