Admiting you will play in a duel commander tournament and you know that you will ONLY face decks playing some kind of blue (zur, geist, jenara, rafiq, GGA, Clique, Talrand, Ruhan, Animar)
What deck would you play and what special cards would you add to fight the blue?
I was thinking that some red with REB, Pyroblast, Combust. Any other ideas?
Admiting you will play in a duel commander tournament and you know that you will ONLY face decks playing some kind of blue (zur, geist, jenara, rafiq, GGA, Clique, Talrand, Ruhan, Animar)
What deck would you play and what special cards would you add to fight the blue?
I was thinking that some red with REB, Pyroblast, Combust. Any other ideas?
Assuming you don't want to want to play blue yourself, the only deck which is currently able to fight the U-x decks (aka the decks to beat) without immediately losing to Animar (like Doran or Skullbriar do) is Karahulk.
Disagree. Karador is obviously good, but its not the only selection.You can tune Iname to be more anti control and still very much beat other good decks. Doran will also work very well (especially considering you probably wont run into all in combo animar in real life).
Really, any aggressive deck can fare well against blue.
Personally, I like mono-red right now. It's aggressive enough to get through blue control, and has plenty of removal to deal with annoying generals (like Animar).
Disagree. Karador is obviously good, but its not the only selection.You can tune Iname to be more anti control and still very much beat other good decks. Doran will also work very well (especially considering you probably wont run into all in combo animar in real life).
I don't know Iname very well, so I won't contradict you, but Animar is widely played now in competitive environments (in France, at least).
I'm not sure Omnath is better than Thrun for that type of deck. Ideal plan is T1 accelerant, T2 land destruction/trinisphere/hall of gemstone, T3 Thrun. Can't play both Omnath and Ice Storm on turn 3, so you're going to end up effectively paying 4 mana for one or the other. At least when you pay 4 mana for Thrun, you're getting your mana's worth.
Doran can be tuned anti-blue, but the problem is that Karador and Animar which suddenly just got popular both stomp Doran hard. Those match ups are usually unwinnable in Bo3.
The other secret anti-blue deck is Radha. There's been a huge shift to using Red Elemental Blast cards in those decks. Fast aggro deck that can snipe Animar is extremely nice
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I really really wanted to play Radha as it looks like a lot of fun but it's so so so bad against doran. Actually can't beat turn two 5/5. It's GG from there
I really really wanted to play Radha as it looks like a lot of fun but it's so so so bad against doran. Actually can't beat turn two 5/5. It's GG from there
While this is mostly true. you do have Combust and Lightning Axe. However yes, aside from those cards it's Blood Moon or GG.
lol what @3drinks? That's not completely true in my playing experience. You have all the ramp elves, moxen that get around it. Also if I'm playing against a good Radha player like EG or Virtus, I always pop my fetches for basics just for that reason. Sure Blood Moon means gg probably 66%~ of the time, but it's definitely not unwinnable. Especially if you already have Doran on the board since it literally takes them 2-3 cards to kill Doran.
Blood Moon is also great tech against Blue 3 color generals. That should probably be added as a possible counter.
Also, a lot of Radha decks I've seen run stuff like Great Sable Stag, Skylasher, and Thrun, the Last Troll recently as well. It really is one of the better anti-blue decks I've seen recently.
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My vote goes for Uril: You get all the anti Uxx goodies you find in R/G: REB, Pyroblast, Guttural Response, Blood Moon, Combust, Vexing Shusher, and white adds spot removal, RIP and goodies like Mom, Teeg, KotR, Linvala and Elesh Norn.
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GBW NO Elves / Aggro Elves GBWU Combo Elves
EDH Decks:
Duel Commander: GG Thrun, the last Trolololol GG GW The Captain WG GWB Karadores BWG GWU Jenara UWG UWB Oloro-DD BWU
Thanks for the answers and the deck ideas !
But as I told you in the beginning of the post : asume that I will play ONLY against blue decks so no dorans... (and that is not the topic... the topic is more about finding a deck that wins 80% of the matches against blue decks... even if it has 0% chance against nonblue decks...)
But i wanted to come back to specific cards that are strong against blue .... you have RED and pyroblast obviously, but what do you think about the legend card that destoy a blue permament for R? What about destroying a blue permanent and and island for 2RR as a sorcelery? Playable?
Also: do you think a deck with jaya ballard as general could have some success against blue ? If yes should it be more aggressive or controlish?
Radha is by far the best choice because he can beat both animar/blue decks/karador .
This isn't entirely true. Yes, Radha can effectively kill Animar and likely shut down any early combo prospects, but it's achilles heel is that it doesn't fair to well against Animar operating explicitly in a combo-less manor. The combination of ramp, card advantage, a hoard of creatures and Primeval to seal the deal is really quite effective.
Thanks for the answers and the deck ideas !
But as I told you in the beginning of the post : asume that I will play ONLY against blue decks so no dorans... (and that is not the topic... the topic is more about finding a deck that wins 80% of the matches against blue decks... even if it has 0% chance against nonblue decks...)
But i wanted to come back to specific cards that are strong against blue .... you have RED and pyroblast obviously, but what do you think about the legend card that destoy a blue permament for R? What about destroying a blue permanent and and island for 2RR as a sorcelery? Playable?
Also: do you think a deck with jaya ballard as general could have some success against blue ? If yes should it be more aggressive or controlish?
There is someone in my meta who is playing jaya, and he plays it like a control deck. It's actually quite scary, even against non-blue decks. His key cards are squee, goblin nabob, painter's servant, blood moon, and dust bowl. he tutor's for squee or servant with imperial recruiter, and has other recursive threats. He also has a couple hate cards against specific things since he can always discard them if he doesn't need them.
Against aggro, he burns everything, and plays sweepers such as pyroclasm and volcanic fallout, which also works pretty well against gheist.
Against blu-control, he tries to fetch a cavern, or wait until he has a pyroblast to force through a jaya.
Against multicolor midrange, he burns the majority of things, and tries to get in a blood moon.
Not sure about graveyard combo, since we don't have anyone playing it around here.
Jaya is for sure a pretty good deck against blue, and it can still do well against other decks. It might be a little expensive though if you want the best possible version.
Nice to hear that i m not the only one thibking about jaya ;-)
Do you know a bit more about his decklist ? You say he plays a controlish version, but with a bit of ramp (artefact mana?) ? Madness cards ? (The wurm, fiery temper and the 4 damage spell)
Does he run haste giving cards for jaya ?
I m currently trying a aggro golbin jaya version ... (tutor for sqwee with matron and recruiter) but i m not sure it is the best possible version....
I didnt realize that was you at first zavros! When I heard about your friend's jaya list I thought of one in my meta, then I realized where talking about the same person. That decks terrifying, last week I lost to blood moon game one, magus of the moon game two. Both games I mulled to fetches to grab basics, I play Damia, and while the second game was close a red elemental blast at my fact my fiction ended things. Although, it is a new deck and it might become a more even matchup for everyone once we all know how to play it.
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He doesn't run haste for jaya, nor artifact mana, nor madness. I'll see if I can rouse him into posting his list, seeing as he went undefeated last weak against Thalia, Geist, Jenara, and Damia(me).
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What deck would you play and what special cards would you add to fight the blue?
I was thinking that some red with REB, Pyroblast, Combust. Any other ideas?
Assuming you don't want to want to play blue yourself, the only deck which is currently able to fight the U-x decks (aka the decks to beat) without immediately losing to Animar (like Doran or Skullbriar do) is Karahulk.
Personally, I like mono-red right now. It's aggressive enough to get through blue control, and has plenty of removal to deal with annoying generals (like Animar).
I don't know Iname very well, so I won't contradict you, but Animar is widely played now in competitive environments (in France, at least).
I think Akroma, Angel of Fury is worth considering. Very underrated IMO.
Also, Gaddock Teeg and Saffi Eriksdotter can be great. Teeg ruins a lot of gameplans, and Saffi has a ridiculous number of combos built around it.
Also, Thalia can be OK against blue, but rolls over to some other more aggro decks.
The other secret anti-blue deck is Radha. There's been a huge shift to using Red Elemental Blast cards in those decks. Fast aggro deck that can snipe Animar is extremely nice
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While this is mostly true. you do have Combust and Lightning Axe. However yes, aside from those cards it's Blood Moon or GG.
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Blood Moon is also great tech against Blue 3 color generals. That should probably be added as a possible counter.
Also, a lot of Radha decks I've seen run stuff like Great Sable Stag, Skylasher, and Thrun, the Last Troll recently as well. It really is one of the better anti-blue decks I've seen recently.
BRGW Saskia the Unyielding BRGW
GUWB Thrasios, Triton Hero // Tymna the Weaver GUWB
B Braids, Cabal Minion B
G Titania, Protector of Argoth G
R Zurgo Bellstriker R
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My Street Art
GBW NO Elves / Aggro Elves
GBWU Combo Elves
EDH Decks:
Duel Commander:
GG Thrun, the last Trolololol GG
GW The Captain WG
GWB Karadores BWG
GWU Jenara UWG
UWB Oloro-DD BWU
Regular EDH:
GBW Ghave the Enchanter WBG
But as I told you in the beginning of the post : asume that I will play ONLY against blue decks so no dorans... (and that is not the topic... the topic is more about finding a deck that wins 80% of the matches against blue decks... even if it has 0% chance against nonblue decks...)
But i wanted to come back to specific cards that are strong against blue .... you have RED and pyroblast obviously, but what do you think about the legend card that destoy a blue permament for R? What about destroying a blue permanent and and island for 2RR as a sorcelery? Playable?
Also: do you think a deck with jaya ballard as general could have some success against blue ? If yes should it be more aggressive or controlish?
This isn't entirely true. Yes, Radha can effectively kill Animar and likely shut down any early combo prospects, but it's achilles heel is that it doesn't fair to well against Animar operating explicitly in a combo-less manor. The combination of ramp, card advantage, a hoard of creatures and Primeval to seal the deal is really quite effective.
You're right, it was about beating U decks mainly, but if you want to have a good chance against non blue decks the pair gives you an edge.
GBW NO Elves / Aggro Elves
GBWU Combo Elves
EDH Decks:
Duel Commander:
GG Thrun, the last Trolololol GG
GW The Captain WG
GWB Karadores BWG
GWU Jenara UWG
UWB Oloro-DD BWU
Regular EDH:
GBW Ghave the Enchanter WBG
There is someone in my meta who is playing jaya, and he plays it like a control deck. It's actually quite scary, even against non-blue decks. His key cards are squee, goblin nabob, painter's servant, blood moon, and dust bowl. he tutor's for squee or servant with imperial recruiter, and has other recursive threats. He also has a couple hate cards against specific things since he can always discard them if he doesn't need them.
Against aggro, he burns everything, and plays sweepers such as pyroclasm and volcanic fallout, which also works pretty well against gheist.
Against blu-control, he tries to fetch a cavern, or wait until he has a pyroblast to force through a jaya.
Against multicolor midrange, he burns the majority of things, and tries to get in a blood moon.
Not sure about graveyard combo, since we don't have anyone playing it around here.
Jaya is for sure a pretty good deck against blue, and it can still do well against other decks. It might be a little expensive though if you want the best possible version.
Do you know a bit more about his decklist ? You say he plays a controlish version, but with a bit of ramp (artefact mana?) ? Madness cards ? (The wurm, fiery temper and the 4 damage spell)
Does he run haste giving cards for jaya ?
I m currently trying a aggro golbin jaya version ... (tutor for sqwee with matron and recruiter) but i m not sure it is the best possible version....
Modern
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RIP Twin
MTGS Olde Name:
Hruen (apparently it was taken, probably by me about 10 years ago.........)
Modern
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RIP Twin
MTGS Olde Name:
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