TEPS is a storm based combo deck birthed on these forums by d.phoenixxx, Aidan, Nom_anor, Caboose, Mr Nightmare and mystic1110 (if I've missed anyone, please PM me). The deck was first popularized by Nim, whose list was copied by Raphael Levy at 2006 Worlds. The deck has had a steady showing on MODO since two days prior to its appearance at Worlds.
Here are some sample competitive decklists:
This thread is for discussion of the deck. All discussion should be backed, as all discussion here is, by data. The strongest data is empyrical in nature, meaning if it has appeared regularly in Competitive tournaments, the data is much more solid than if it appears once at a local event.
Well since someone has to start this I suppose i will, what do you all think? Would you rather go off with the 1st turn Duress and the Sensi under your belt or go all out with the Lotus Bloom / Chrome Mox version?
I prefer the Duress myself, i am planning on running this deck in the upcoming PTQ's and I tested both builds, goldfishing 10 games each, and it seems that the Duress version, even with pertection, is faster.
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Through the haze of battle I saw the glint of sun on golden mane, the sheen of glory clad in mail, and I dropped my sword and wept at the idiocy of war"
Md
xantid swarm- helps against the countless number of stiffels now flying around
ornithopter- another 0 mana artifact that helps up the storm count and helps provide cabal therapy fodder
1 chromatic star- this is just my attempt to keep the amount of mana fixing around 12 (channel the suns, lotus, mox, and 1 star).....this spot is debatable...
SB-
Cabal therapy - WOW...just in every way better than duress if you run creatures....this plus ornithopter is hand rapage + 3 storm count for only B....
Seal of fire...- just to deal with troublesome meddling mages....this is replaceable with chain of vapor (but youll have to tweak the mana base) and its also interchangeable with pyrite spellbomb
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so far here are the games i player vs some decks
BDW..
i won 6 out of 8 games played against it....the creatures were abel to soak up some damage before i took my time to combo out on turn 5 (three times) other times i comboed out around turn 4.....the three games i lost were due to the dreaded pillar ....gah hate that card like a .....ummm.....hated card
TRon...
after winning 2 games straight with xantid swarm....i stoped testing this matchup....nah just kidding...i played 7 games and won 5.....the two i lost were again due to enchantments this time under the name of rule of law and arcane lab
Rock...(not flow rock)
my creatures really suprised him...other than that pre sb ...its a ussual game...won one game turn 2 with my ornithopter just upping storm count out of nowhere...but the real diffrence (btw i went 4-3) was the double therapies....:).
Flow rock ( lost 2-6)
therapy helped...but i just suck at this matchup....flow is yet another ENCHANTMENT (god hate the card type) that ruins the day for me.....
solution....
won!!..6-4
cabal therapies and xantid swarms are MVPS....:)....+ seal of fire was a nasty suprise for medddling mage...
anyway im curious to here any opinions on my deck.... and also any ideas of how to deal with the numerous enchantments that ruin our day
hopefully this thread will live, who knows third times the charm and BTW happy holydays
Edit:
plouften welcome to the forum and that was a great anaylisis of the deck..thanks for taking the time to write it up.
Edit 2:
also a mono black controll deck is popping up here that along with the full suir of duress and cabal therapies runs ghost quarter + smallpoxas well....what should our plan be against this?
This is what, the third spawn of the thread. I know its been a while, but hello again. Anyway, I find the number of people testing this on MWS to be astronomical. It gets kind of boring playing against them though, because goldfishing isn't all that interesting.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Md
xantid swarm- helps against the countless number of stiffels now flying around
ornithopter- another 0 mana artifact that helps up the storm count and helps provide cabal therapy fodder
1 chromatic star- this is just my attempt to keep the amount of mana fixing around 12 (channel the suns, lotus, mox, and 1 star).....this spot is debatable...
SB-
Cabal therapy - WOW...just in every way better than duress if you run creatures....this plus ornithopter is hand rapage + 3 storm count for only B....
Seal of fire...- just to deal with troublesome meddling mages....this is replaceable with chain of vapor (but youll have to tweak the mana base) and its also interchangeable with pyrite spellbomb
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so far here are the games i player vs some decks
cabal therapies and xantid swarms are MVPS....:)....+ seal of fire was a nasty suprise for medddling mage...
anyway im curious to here any opinions on my deck.... and also any ideas of how to deal with the numerous enchantments that ruin our day
We do not run creatures in the deck, so running Cabal is not the best, Duress if for the control decks, all we need to do is hit their counters and they are done. Seal of Fire while effective deosnt really have a place in the deck. When I combo off it is ion average around turn 3-4, Xandid Swarm is not needed if you MD Duress IMO, in this deck I dont believe that creatures are needed at all. Otho is also not needed, it is a space filler, and going to a PTQ you do not need a space filler at all, it takes up a slot that could go to other things
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Through the haze of battle I saw the glint of sun on golden mane, the sheen of glory clad in mail, and I dropped my sword and wept at the idiocy of war"
I think that duress is a MVP in the deck, i play it and the results are optimal.
BTape, why u run ancient spring?? i see that builds that carry serum vissions run it but i dont really understand it in ur deck :S is it for the chain of vapor only??
sorry i don't have much to contribute to the thread, but i was wondering, what does a typical game look like with this deck? i have seen the thread before but never paid much attention to it. i am assuming that you just produce a ton of mana asap to play a mind's desire with a moderately high storm via all the mana producing spells, producing more mana with the "free spells" via desire, then using sins of the past to essentially flashback mind's desire until you eventually have enough spells to play a tendrils to kill the opponent, or using the burning wish to fetch whatever you need including the kill condition. is this about right or am i missing something?
sorry i don't have much to contribute to the thread, but i was wondering, what does a typical game look like with this deck? i have seen the thread before but never paid much attention to it. i am assuming that you just produce a ton of mana asap to play a mind's desire with a moderately high storm via all the mana producing spells, producing more mana with the "free spells" via desire, then using sins of the past to essentially flashback mind's desire until you eventually have enough spells to play a tendrils to kill the opponent, or using the burning wish to fetch whatever you need including the kill condition. is this about right or am i missing something?
Basically depending on what build you are using, many people seem to favor, myself included, in Duress for protection, but the Sins doesnt always fetch the Desire back..i use it mostly to get Burning for tendrils or anything else i would need in the SB like the desire, you only need 10 then tendrils to win
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Through the haze of battle I saw the glint of sun on golden mane, the sheen of glory clad in mail, and I dropped my sword and wept at the idiocy of war"
At least turn 4 about 80%
At least turn 3 about 30%
At least turn 2 about 3%
(I am speaking with my build with me piloting. Cannot really say for others.)
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
How do you get the burning wish in to the graveyard ?
Assuming you're using Jelger's build, you would use Careful Study to get it into the graveyard. That's the only thing I can see from the decklist. You can't get it into the graveyard by any other means.
By the way, I hate this deck. So annoying to play against because it's hard to disrupt.
When I combo off it is ion average around turn 3-4, Xandid Swarm is not needed if you MD Duress IMO, in this deck I dont believe that creatures are needed at all.
Xantid swarm is better against controll than duress...its on par with orims chant...sometimes the controll player will have more than one stiffle in hand and some times more than one counter to ruin your day....swarm while i agree is not needed greatly improves your controll matchups.
Otho is also not needed, it is a space filler, and going to a PTQ you do not need a space filler at all, it takes up a slot that could go to other things
ornithoper is not a filler...its a cheap 0 mana spell that up the storm count, feeds cabal therapy, and stalls the game against aggro if your topdeck sucks...
But i run creatures in this deck.....and so cabal is better than durress in this case.
if its effective at taking care of a Major problem for this deck then why doesnt it have a place in it?
Xantid swarm is better against controll than duress...its on par with orims chant...sometimes the controll player will have more than one stiffle in hand and some times more than one counter to ruin your day....swarm while i agree is not needed greatly improves your controll matchups.
ornithoper is not a filler...its a cheap 0 mana spell that up the storm count, feeds cabal therapy, and stalls the game against aggro if your topdeck sucks...
The creatures are not essential, so the Ornithoper, Xandid Swarm and the Cabal is not needed, Duress is better for this deck. On turn three they will have at most 4 mana open, they usually counter the Duress, and now they have 1-2 open, they can not counter everything. Xandid Swarm is to slow, it is a needed 1st or 2nd turn drop, by the 3rd turn it needs to attack to be effective, and many control decks run Fire//Ice there goes your plan.
And to the above, yes I was referring to Careful Study, sry forgot to mention how the grave/wish thing
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Through the haze of battle I saw the glint of sun on golden mane, the sheen of glory clad in mail, and I dropped my sword and wept at the idiocy of war"
meh dont like careful study that much....its card disadvatage.....while creatures are not essential to the deck i found them to help the deck perform...
test it out and then PM me if you liked it/ disliked and then well talk about changing my (or your :)) list....
(and on the xantid swarms theyre not to slow...lets say you want to combo off turn 4...you play them turn 3.....they try to fry them theyve just wasted around 2 mana that could have been used to counter your stuff...so it acts as a G:time walk :))...
anyway....despite the major changes in my list which i still stand by: i think a mojor problem we have to overcome is ghost quater: these new black decks that run these are currently just beating the crap out of me.....sigh.......now i know how wasteland in legacy + vintage feals
Edit: wow d.Phionexxx got banned already? wasnt expecting that till around page 40.
Maybe I am missing something. What is the point of running a 1 of in a deck with no tutors except for Infernal tutor (which is not really a tutor as much as it is a ritual target/ desire target/ Tendrils target)
yeah - obviously I disagree with you, John. Spam Warning!.....Amazing - even in a forum where posts don't count, there's spam. That proves that getting rid of the post-count won't help getting rid of spam! Thans for this excellent example! - Craven
Maybe I am missing something. What is the point of running a 1 of in a deck with no tutors except for Infernal tutor (which is not really a tutor as much as it is a ritual target/ desire target/ Tendrils target)
I think that it is a wasted slot in the deck.
If we hit it then the other 2-3 slots go to other important cards
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Through the haze of battle I saw the glint of sun on golden mane, the sheen of glory clad in mail, and I dropped my sword and wept at the idiocy of war"
Why did d.phoenix get banned?
Anyway, Ancient Spring produces the blue for Chain of Vapor while also producing the necessary black for Ritual/Tendrils/Sins. It serves much more of a purpose than Tinder Farm, imo.
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...the lack of power of Divining Top is similarly obvious.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
john jones + Btape are we talking about my list?....yeah i agree im not to happy with my mana base and the random 1 of chromatic star was just an effort to keep the mana fixxing count at 4...help on my list would be apreciated..thanks
--its just supprising he didnt get banned on this thread.....where else could of he got banned on?
Here are some sample competitive decklists:
4 Geothermal Crevice
4 Ancient Spring
4 Sulfur Vent
3 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Steam Vents
1 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
1 Swamp
Spells:
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Seething Song
4 Burning Wish
3 Mind's Desire
3 Sins of the Past
3 Duress
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Careful Study
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Chromatic Star
4 Defense Grid
1 Shattering Spree
1 Channel the Suns
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Sins of the Past
1 Mind's Desire
1 Duress
1 Pyroclasm
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Hull Breach
4 Sulfur Vent
3 Gemstone Mine
4 Geothermal Crevice
4 Tinder Farm
Spells:
2 Channel the Suns
4 Rite of Flame
4 Darkwater Egg
4 Seething Song
4 Cabal Ritual
2 Infernal Tutor
2 Plunge into Darkness
4 Burning Wish
3 Mind's Desire
3 Sins of the Past
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Lotus Bloom
4 Chrome Mox
4 Chromatic Star
2 Empty the Warrens
1 Mind's Desire
1 Hull Breach
1 Pyroclasm
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Channel the Suns
4 Duress
3 Orim's Chant
2 Archaeological Dig
2 Geothermal Crevice
3 Sulfur Vent
2 Tinder Farm
Spells:
2 Burning Wish
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Channel the Suns
1 Chromatic Sphere
2 Chromatic Star
2 Chrome Mox
2 Duress (SB?)
2 Infernal Tutor
1 Lotus Bloom
2 Mind's Desire
2 Rite of Flame
2 Seething Song
1 Sins of the Past
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Mind's Desire
1 Tendrils of Agony
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I prefer the Duress myself, i am planning on running this deck in the upcoming PTQ's and I tested both builds, goldfishing 10 games each, and it seems that the Duress version, even with pertection, is faster.
My list
4 Sulfur Vent
4 Gemstone Mine
3 City of Brass
4 Lotus Bloom
4 Chrome Mox
4 Chromatic Star
4 Rite of Flame
3 Serum Visions
1 Duress
4 Burning Wish
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Infernal Tutor
1 Plunge into Darkness
4 Seething Song
2 Channel the Suns
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Sins of the Past
3 Mind's Desire
4 Orim's Chant
1 Hull Breach / 1 more empty (meta dependent)
1 Pyroclasm
2 Empty the Warrens
1 Channel the Suns
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Mind's Desire
There is another thread for discussion at SCG forums as well. Go visit, there are some interesting choices there as well.
http://www.starcitygames.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=701502&sid=1da664a78637e2c5d96a503b2dfb008a#701502
:symu::symr::symb::symg::symw:The Extended Perfect Storm:symu::symr::symb::symg::symw:
TEPS thread:
http://www.starcitygames.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=295030&sid=10b2b4e12275e7be97b928fb7f766943
Mind’s Bloom
Extended//Non-Budget
4x Cabal Ritual
4x Rite of Flame
3x Infernal Tutor
4x Burning Wish
3x Mind’s Desire
4x Seething Song
3x Sins of the Past
3x Channel the Suns
1x Tendrils of Agony
4x Lotus Bloom
4x Chrome Mox
4x Chromatic Star
4x Chromatic Sphere
Lands:
4x Sulfur Vent
3x Irrigation Ditch
4x Gemstone Mine
4x Geothermal Crevice
4x Duress
3x Orim’s Chant
1x Mind’s Desire
1x Cabal Therapy
1x Infernal Tutor
1x Sins of the Past
1x Infernal Contract
1x Channel the Suns
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Empty the Warrens
I was always pretty happy with it...
Anyhow...
~Nim
PS. And wow did my post count take a hit there...
3 Sulfur vent
3 irragation ditch
4 Gemstone mine
1 Tinder farm
3 Xantid swarm
4 Ornithopter
4 Lotus bloom
4 Crome mox
4 Burning wish
4 Rite of flame
4 Seething song
4 Cabal ritual
3 Minds desire
3 sins of the past
3 Channel the suns
3 Infernal tutor
1 Cromatic Star
1 Tedrils of agony
4 Cabal therapy
4 Seal of fire
2 Empty the warrens
1 Simplify
1 minds desire
1 Tedrils of agony
1 Channel the suns
1 pyroclasm
the decks intersting choices are as follows:
Md
xantid swarm- helps against the countless number of stiffels now flying around
ornithopter- another 0 mana artifact that helps up the storm count and helps provide cabal therapy fodder
1 chromatic star- this is just my attempt to keep the amount of mana fixing around 12 (channel the suns, lotus, mox, and 1 star).....this spot is debatable...
SB-
Cabal therapy - WOW...just in every way better than duress if you run creatures....this plus ornithopter is hand rapage + 3 storm count for only B....
Seal of fire...- just to deal with troublesome meddling mages....this is replaceable with chain of vapor (but youll have to tweak the mana base) and its also interchangeable with pyrite spellbomb
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so far here are the games i player vs some decks
BDW..
i won 6 out of 8 games played against it....the creatures were abel to soak up some damage before i took my time to combo out on turn 5 (three times) other times i comboed out around turn 4.....the three games i lost were due to the dreaded pillar ....gah hate that card like a .....ummm.....hated card
TRon...
after winning 2 games straight with xantid swarm....i stoped testing this matchup....nah just kidding...i played 7 games and won 5.....the two i lost were again due to enchantments this time under the name of rule of law and arcane lab
Rock...(not flow rock)
my creatures really suprised him...other than that pre sb ...its a ussual game...won one game turn 2 with my ornithopter just upping storm count out of nowhere...but the real diffrence (btw i went 4-3) was the double therapies....:).
Flow rock ( lost 2-6)
therapy helped...but i just suck at this matchup....flow is yet another ENCHANTMENT (god hate the card type) that ruins the day for me.....
solution....
won!!..6-4
cabal therapies and xantid swarms are MVPS....:)....+ seal of fire was a nasty suprise for medddling mage...
anyway im curious to here any opinions on my deck.... and also any ideas of how to deal with the numerous enchantments that ruin our day
hopefully this thread will live, who knows third times the charm and BTW happy holydays
Edit:
plouften welcome to the forum and that was a great anaylisis of the deck..thanks for taking the time to write it up.
Edit 2:
also a mono black controll deck is popping up here that along with the full suir of duress and cabal therapies runs ghost quarter + smallpoxas well....what should our plan be against this?
4 Geothermal Crevice
4 Irrigation Ditch
2 Gemstone Mine
3 Mind's Desire
3 Infernal Tutor
4 Burning Wish
4 Sins of the Past
1 Death Wish
4 Pentad Prism
4 Chromatic Star
4 Mishra's Bauble
3 Channel the Suns
4 Rite of Flame
4 Seething Song
4 Cabal Ritual
We do not run creatures in the deck, so running Cabal is not the best, Duress if for the control decks, all we need to do is hit their counters and they are done. Seal of Fire while effective deosnt really have a place in the deck. When I combo off it is ion average around turn 3-4, Xandid Swarm is not needed if you MD Duress IMO, in this deck I dont believe that creatures are needed at all. Otho is also not needed, it is a space filler, and going to a PTQ you do not need a space filler at all, it takes up a slot that could go to other things
3 Sins of the Past
4 Burning Wish
2 Tendrils of Agony
3 Infernal Tutor
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Duress
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Seething Song
4 Rite of Flame
4 Chromatic Star
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Bloom
4 Sulfur Vent
4 Geothermal Crevice
4 Ancient Spring
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Mind's Desire
1 Sins of the Past
1 Infernal Tutor
1 Channel the suns
1 Persecute
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Pyroclasm
2 Tendrils of Agony
2 Empty the Warrens
1 Firebolt
2 Chain of Vapor
BTape, why u run ancient spring?? i see that builds that carry serum vissions run it but i dont really understand it in ur deck :S is it for the chain of vapor only??
Current EDH Decks:
G Multani, Maro-Sorcerer
B Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
GU Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Basically depending on what build you are using, many people seem to favor, myself included, in Duress for protection, but the Sins doesnt always fetch the Desire back..i use it mostly to get Burning for tendrils or anything else i would need in the SB like the desire, you only need 10 then tendrils to win
Current EDH Decks:
G Multani, Maro-Sorcerer
B Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
GU Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
At least turn 3 about 30%
At least turn 2 about 3%
(I am speaking with my build with me piloting. Cannot really say for others.)
Assuming you're using Jelger's build, you would use Careful Study to get it into the graveyard. That's the only thing I can see from the decklist. You can't get it into the graveyard by any other means.
By the way, I hate this deck. So annoying to play against because it's hard to disrupt.
But i run creatures in this deck.....and so cabal is better than durress in this case.
if its effective at taking care of a Major problem for this deck then why doesnt it have a place in it?
Xantid swarm is better against controll than duress...its on par with orims chant...sometimes the controll player will have more than one stiffle in hand and some times more than one counter to ruin your day....swarm while i agree is not needed greatly improves your controll matchups.
ornithoper is not a filler...its a cheap 0 mana spell that up the storm count, feeds cabal therapy, and stalls the game against aggro if your topdeck sucks...
The creatures are not essential, so the Ornithoper, Xandid Swarm and the Cabal is not needed, Duress is better for this deck. On turn three they will have at most 4 mana open, they usually counter the Duress, and now they have 1-2 open, they can not counter everything. Xandid Swarm is to slow, it is a needed 1st or 2nd turn drop, by the 3rd turn it needs to attack to be effective, and many control decks run Fire//Ice there goes your plan.
And to the above, yes I was referring to Careful Study, sry forgot to mention how the grave/wish thing
test it out and then PM me if you liked it/ disliked and then well talk about changing my (or your :)) list....
(and on the xantid swarms theyre not to slow...lets say you want to combo off turn 4...you play them turn 3.....they try to fry them theyve just wasted around 2 mana that could have been used to counter your stuff...so it acts as a G:time walk :))...
anyway....despite the major changes in my list which i still stand by: i think a mojor problem we have to overcome is ghost quater: these new black decks that run these are currently just beating the crap out of me.....sigh.......now i know how wasteland in legacy + vintage feals
Edit: wow d.Phionexxx got banned already? wasnt expecting that till around page 40.
I think that it is a wasted slot in the deck.
If we hit it then the other 2-3 slots go to other important cards
Anyway, Ancient Spring produces the blue for Chain of Vapor while also producing the necessary black for Ritual/Tendrils/Sins. It serves much more of a purpose than Tinder Farm, imo.
Oh well.
--its just supprising he didnt get banned on this thread.....where else could of he got banned on?
oh...my only question on your list is: how effective are 2 tedrils MD are?