I preface with the fact that I am so white, that you might call me wonder-bread. I know very little of African American culture or life. However, while browsing the Opinion pages of Yahoo, I stumbled upon this little editorial by one of my favorites, Ann Coulter. Now Ann is so white you might call her an albino pig, so I was curious why this white lady was ripping on an African American holiday.
So I decided to look up the Holiday on Wikipedia, and started to get a little better picture of the Holiday.
It seems that it is not only white ultra-conservatie wacko's have issues with Kawanzaa. So what are your opinions of this new Holiday? Some feel it is just another way of separating whites and blacks in America, others see it as taking away from Christmas. (As many African-Americans are Christians as well.)
Personally, I could care less if someone wants to create a new Holiday. I would be more excited about this holiday if it promoted friendship, and brotherhood among all races. It seems that was not the founder's intent though. Although if you check the Official Kwanzaa website, they adress this issue.
every holiday is made up. There is not any holiday that was just always present, some one had to create it. Mos tholidays that are made nowadays are commercial holidays like Mother's/Father's Day, Valentine's Day. Sure they have good meanings behind it, but there are some people getting rich off of it, and thats why it was created, imo.
As for Ann COulter, if that is her real name..... ever single thing she says should be discarded from all records because she is not actually capable of understanding what the words mean that are coming out of her crevasce. And so what, let them have their holiday, it doesnt matter. Hell, I could go out and make a holiday and get people that I know to celebrate it, is it wrong... atleast I don't think so. Unless of course the way you celebrate this holiday is the murder and rape (in that order) of thousands of unwilling women and children.... but, to each it's own.
Well considering that Christmas as we know it now isn't more than 150 years old, complaining that a 40 year old holiday is made up and taking away from the "real" holiday Christmas is a bit asinine.
Kwanzaa seems like they took the ideas of all the surrounding holidays and made a new one to seperate themselves into a group. I don't know anyone who practices Kwanzaa and almost no one even really knows what it is.
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granted that all holidays are created at some point. kwanzaa just happens to be made up by someone who really didn't have the best intentions. i mean he did say that christanity was for white people and black people should have nothing to do with it. This from a guy who did time in prison for assault and torture of two women:
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i'm not completely sure but i don't think this is the kind of guy who should be making up holidays for a hugh group of people.
is kwanzaa fake? don't know, and don't care. if someone wants to make up a holiday, and people want to follow it... more power to them. it's worked for all our "hallmark" holidays. no problem following that stuff, right? all traditions must start somewhere.
does the existence of kwanzaa hurt any of us? NO.
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A bit of kwanzaa seems borrowed from chanukah, imo.
Which is a celebration of a homecoming, in a way.
And for people who live far away from their ancestral origins, and even have a similar term for this (African Diaspora), maybe this is ironically appropriate.
I do think it's quite secular and politicized, and most African Americans I know go, at the prospect of carrying on with this holiday, which has little relevance in the US strictly as a "first fruits" celebration. (Isn't that what Thanksgiving is for? Celebrating the harvest?)
Wow. uh. If I remember right Kwanzaa was developed a long time ago in Africa and is to celebrate family togetherness. It seems similar to Hanukkah because of the candles though all of the Kwanzaa candles are lit on the same night and the colors represent different things. It's not just for Africans either. It's not about race.
but I do agree that all holidays are made up by some entity or another. With that sort of view however you might as well convert to Jehova's Witness.
Of course that's what I learned last year. My memory might be fuzzy on all the details of Kwanzaa. I know there's corn involved lol.
Ann Coulter is an ice queen. Why are you even listening to her psychobabble, ericku? I'm going to read her article after this.
Anyway, Kwanzaa, I believe, was popularized in 1966, the height of the black struggle for identity. I guess that they wanted to keep in touch with their African roots so that they don't lose their roots to "the man." But in all honesty, I don't recall ever meeting a person who ever celebrates it, despite the fact that 14 million people do (I think I got that from The Boondocks).
Ann Coulter is an ice queen. Why are you even listening to her psychobabble, ericku? I'm going to read her article after this.
I like to keep my finger on the proverbial pulse of Right-Wing conservative loonies, I also read Ted Ral from time to time, to get the guy sitting out on the other end of the spectrum. It is funny that those two don't attack each other, but I think that they are so far out there on different ends of political spectrum, that they can hardly see one another.
As a general rule of thumb, whatever Ann Coulter believes, you should believe the opposite. She is undeniably an idiot. That said, who cares about "made up" holidays? Most are arbitrary and rarely affect the likes of the general populace. There is a reasonable limit though. No "kill first born" holidays or any such jazz.
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EDIT: @ ericku: or maybe it is because the political spectrum is actually something like a circle, with the most radical(far) statements actually closest together, being able to hold hands and drink tea. for what i have seen, the far political left is capable of things just about as braindead and stupid as the far political right
It would really help if you defined what you think is far right and far left. And explained why "braindead and stupid" things are always exactly the same things.
Ann Coulter is highly amusing. She's very good at making liberals squawk in righteous indignation, for which I applaud her.
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@ ericku: or maybe it is because the political spectrum is actually something like a circle, with the most radical(far) statements actually closest together, being able to hold hands and drink tea. for what i have seen, the far political left is capable of things just about as braindead and stupid as the far political right
I think a better analogy is that of a horseshoe. Most people fall well on the curved part. The closer you are to the ends of the "horseshoe" the further you are from moderates and slightly closer you are to the opposite end.
You don't see me complaining overmuch about Mr. Moore, do you?
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Yeah I have heard the circular, horseshoe type analogies of the political spectrum. Basically a nut, is a nut. So radical types on either side of an issue tend to start looking pretty simular.
I am not sure if Prizim was refering to me, but I'll take the bait.
Ann Couler [Squawk], Pat Robertson, [Squawk], Rush Limbaugh [Squawk]... How can I resist, they are just too fun to ridicule.
I had an idea for a politcal cartoon:
First Panel:
Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all seated at a table.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Isreal is a blight that should be wiped off the map."
Ann Coulter: "Oh Yeah, We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Pat Roberton: "God Smote Ariel Sharon."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "The Holocaust was a myth."
Next Pannel:
...Silence...
Third Pannel:
The view pans back a little, revealing a banner above the three that says:"Annual Stupid Statement Contest."
Caption below the Pannel. AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
First Panel:
Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all seated at a table.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Isreal is a blight that should be wiped off the map."
Ann Coulter: "Oh Yeah, We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Pat Roberton: "God Smote Ariel Sharon."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "The Holocaust was a myth."
Next Pannel:
...Silence...
Third Pannel:
The view pans back a little, revealing a banner above the three that says:"Annual Stupid Statement Contest."
Caption below the Pannel. AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
I don't get it.
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Technically, as someone with psycho in their name pointed out earlier, all holidays are made up. I doubt someone shoud rip a holiday like that. You could say no one should celebrate Christmas because of the Crusades. I am a Christian if anyone is curious.
First Panel:
Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all seated at a table.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Isreal is a blight that should be wiped off the map."
Ann Coulter: "Oh Yeah, We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Pat Roberton: "God Smote Ariel Sharon."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "The Holocaust was a myth."
Next Pannel:
...Silence...
Third Pannel:
The view pans back a little, revealing a banner above the three that says:"Annual Stupid Statement Contest."
Caption below the Pannel. AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
That's pretty funny, actually.
Prizm, those are all statements made by those people.
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Honestly, who does it affect if Kwanzaa is a holiday or not? Whoever said that it is another way to seperate Blacks and Whites is full of S. If something as petty as a holiday is keeping you away from hanging out with/ being around the other race, then you clearly are not true to your intent on communticating with them. Plus what is the difference between Kwanzaa, Chanukah and Christmas? it is people expressing their beliefs, and just because some have been around more than others does not make them more correct. Hell, in 500 years from now their may be a new holiday created to reflect a new groups beliefs and by then Kwanzaa maybe a Globaly celebrated holiday. This Ann Coulter needs to go shove a rocket in her *** and take off for the moon where she can scream her opinions and no one will here them.
well, it would be communists/anarchists(who are generally left-aligned around where i live) and the neo-nazis. both want to bring an end to democracy, spout hate for the opposite and plan as well as execute open attacks and righteous assassinations. though their goals may be different, their ways to achieve these goals are actually quite akin.
That is because both are "radicals" (and dangerously so at that) being the opposite of the old meaning of "conservative" which had alot more to do with conserving than the new meaning does. However, anyone can be a radical, and not everyone at the extremes of the spectrum are dangerously radical.
Well, Christmas is a made up hoilday too. Its basically the pagan Roman holiday Saturnalia wrapped in the disguise of Christ's birthday, sponsored by capitalism. Its not race specific; anyone who has money to spend can join in.
Prizm, those are all statements made by those people.
Well, political cartoons generally have an element of humor in them. I can appreciate liberal political cartoons (Doonesbury comes to mind) but the humor in this one falls rather flat.
Mortal Wombat: Given some of the things she says in her column, I have to agree with you.
On the air she has an aura of someone who says things purely for the sake of seeing you guys react. Also, she seems to enjoy it, and for that matter, so do I.
Seriously, if you guys think she's so nonsensical, why do you let it bother you? After all, she's a crazy lady whom no sane person would ever listen to.
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So I decided to look up the Holiday on Wikipedia, and started to get a little better picture of the Holiday.
It seems that it is not only white ultra-conservatie wacko's have issues with Kawanzaa. So what are your opinions of this new Holiday? Some feel it is just another way of separating whites and blacks in America, others see it as taking away from Christmas. (As many African-Americans are Christians as well.)
Personally, I could care less if someone wants to create a new Holiday. I would be more excited about this holiday if it promoted friendship, and brotherhood among all races. It seems that was not the founder's intent though. Although if you check the Official Kwanzaa website, they adress this issue.
As for Ann COulter, if that is her real name..... ever single thing she says should be discarded from all records because she is not actually capable of understanding what the words mean that are coming out of her crevasce. And so what, let them have their holiday, it doesnt matter. Hell, I could go out and make a holiday and get people that I know to celebrate it, is it wrong... atleast I don't think so. Unless of course the way you celebrate this holiday is the murder and rape (in that order) of thousands of unwilling women and children.... but, to each it's own.
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i'm not completely sure but i don't think this is the kind of guy who should be making up holidays for a hugh group of people.
the entire article can be read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Karenga
does the existence of kwanzaa hurt any of us? NO.
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Which is a celebration of a homecoming, in a way.
And for people who live far away from their ancestral origins, and even have a similar term for this (African Diaspora), maybe this is ironically appropriate.
I do think it's quite secular and politicized, and most African Americans I know go, at the prospect of carrying on with this holiday, which has little relevance in the US strictly as a "first fruits" celebration. (Isn't that what Thanksgiving is for? Celebrating the harvest?)
but I do agree that all holidays are made up by some entity or another. With that sort of view however you might as well convert to Jehova's Witness.
Of course that's what I learned last year. My memory might be fuzzy on all the details of Kwanzaa. I know there's corn involved lol.
Anyway, Kwanzaa, I believe, was popularized in 1966, the height of the black struggle for identity. I guess that they wanted to keep in touch with their African roots so that they don't lose their roots to "the man." But in all honesty, I don't recall ever meeting a person who ever celebrates it, despite the fact that 14 million people do (I think I got that from The Boondocks).
I like to keep my finger on the proverbial pulse of Right-Wing conservative loonies, I also read Ted Ral from time to time, to get the guy sitting out on the other end of the spectrum. It is funny that those two don't attack each other, but I think that they are so far out there on different ends of political spectrum, that they can hardly see one another.
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It would really help if you defined what you think is far right and far left. And explained why "braindead and stupid" things are always exactly the same things.
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Edit- To clarify, I am not saying Prizm does this specifically. More that I could find plenty of Moore (hehe) hate sites including the ever popular though itself misleading bowlingfortruth.
I think a better analogy is that of a horseshoe. Most people fall well on the curved part. The closer you are to the ends of the "horseshoe" the further you are from moderates and slightly closer you are to the opposite end.
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You don't see me complaining overmuch about Mr. Moore, do you?
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I am not sure if Prizim was refering to me, but I'll take the bait.
Ann Couler [Squawk], Pat Robertson, [Squawk], Rush Limbaugh [Squawk]... How can I resist, they are just too fun to ridicule.
I had an idea for a politcal cartoon:
First Panel:
Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all seated at a table.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Isreal is a blight that should be wiped off the map."
Ann Coulter: "Oh Yeah, We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Pat Roberton: "God Smote Ariel Sharon."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "The Holocaust was a myth."
Next Pannel:
...Silence...
Third Pannel:
The view pans back a little, revealing a banner above the three that says:"Annual Stupid Statement Contest."
Caption below the Pannel. AND WE HAVE A WINNER.
I don't get it.
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That's pretty funny, actually.
Prizm, those are all statements made by those people.
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That is because both are "radicals" (and dangerously so at that) being the opposite of the old meaning of "conservative" which had alot more to do with conserving than the new meaning does. However, anyone can be a radical, and not everyone at the extremes of the spectrum are dangerously radical.
Well, her opinions are ****ing ridiculous. I don't even think she believes in her own opinions.
I can't see anyway that Kwanzaa is worse.
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I hope for the sake of the human race she doesn't believe her own opinions.
Well, political cartoons generally have an element of humor in them. I can appreciate liberal political cartoons (Doonesbury comes to mind) but the humor in this one falls rather flat.
Mortal Wombat: Given some of the things she says in her column, I have to agree with you.
On the air she has an aura of someone who says things purely for the sake of seeing you guys react. Also, she seems to enjoy it, and for that matter, so do I.
Seriously, if you guys think she's so nonsensical, why do you let it bother you? After all, she's a crazy lady whom no sane person would ever listen to.
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