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CUBE SIZE: 525
BREAKDOWN: 67 WUBRG, 50 Gold, 73 Colorless, 67 Land
CUBE TYPE: Multiplayer, Commander, EDH
AVERAGE PLAYERS: 4-6
DRAFT FREQUENCY: Weekly
STORAGE: Black Dragonshields in Oak Wood Box

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SNOW LANDS: No
PROXIES: Yes
POWERED: No
PORTAL: No
UNHINGED/UNGLUED: No
BANNED CARDS: No

FORMAT - MULTIPLAYER

DRAFT: 5x13 (8 players), 5x15 (4-7 players), 7x10 (3 players)
DECK: 67
LIFE: 40

FORMAT - EDH

GENERAL DRAFT: 1x5 (Done before main draft.)
DRAFT: 5x13 (8 players), 5x15 (4-7 players), 7x10 (3 players)
DECK: 66+1
LIFE: 40

FORMAT - VARIANT

Assassin, Star, Emperor, 2-4 Headed Giant, etc.

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White Creature 1x Mother of Runes 1x Serra Ascendant 1x Weathered Wayfarer 1x Knight of the White Orchid 1x Stoneforge Mystic 1x Aven Mindcensor 1x Mangara of Corondor 1x Mentor of the Meek 1x Mirror Entity 1x Silverblade Paladin 1x Stonecloaker 1x Academy Rector 1x Hero of Bladehold 1x Kor Cartographer 1x Loxodon Gatekeeper 1x Restoration Angel 1x Windborn Muse 1x Archon of Justice 1x Baneslayer Angel 1x Geist-Honored Monk 1x Karmic Guide 1x Knight-Captain of Eos 1x Reveillark 1x Stonehewer Giant 1x Adarkar Valkyrie 1x Captain of the Watch 1x Sun Titan 1x Sunblast Angel 1x Twilight Shepherd 1x Angel of Serenity 1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite 1x Luminate Primordial 1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope 1x Iona, Shield of Emeria	White Planeswalker 1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1x Elspeth Tirel 1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion White Instant 1x Enlightened Tutor 1x Path to Exile 1x Swords to Plowshares 1x Oblation 1x Return to Dust 1x Banishing Stroke 1x Unexpectedly Absent White Sorcery 1x Balance 1x Cataclysm 1x Wrath of God 1x Hallowed Burial 1x Increasing Devotion 1x Akroma's Vengeance 1x Austere Command 1x Terminus 1x Martial Coup 1x Decree of Justice White Enchantment 1x Land Tax 1x Blind Obedience 1x Luminarch Ascension 1x Act of Authority 1x Aura of Silence 1x Karmic Justice 1x Mobilization 1x Oblivion Ring 1x Sacred Mesa 1x Faith's Fetters 1x Marshal's Anthem 1x Moat 1x Cathar's Crusade

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White Creature
1x Mother of Runes
1x Serra Ascendant
1x Weathered Wayfarer
1x Knight of the White Orchid
1x Stoneforge Mystic
1x Aven Mindcensor
1x Mangara of Corondor
1x Mentor of the Meek
1x Mirror Entity
1x Silverblade Paladin
1x Stonecloaker
1x Academy Rector
1x Hero of Bladehold
1x Kor Cartographer
1x Loxodon Gatekeeper
1x Restoration Angel
1x Windborn Muse
1x Archon of Justice
1x Baneslayer Angel
1x Geist-Honored Monk
1x Karmic Guide
1x Knight-Captain of Eos
1x Reveillark
1x Stonehewer Giant
1x Adarkar Valkyrie
1x Captain of the Watch
1x Sun Titan
1x Sunblast Angel
1x Twilight Shepherd
1x Angel of Serenity
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1x Luminate Primordial
1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria

White Planeswalker
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Elspeth Tirel
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion

White Instant
1x Enlightened Tutor
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Oblation
1x Return to Dust
1x Banishing Stroke
1x Unexpectedly Absent

White Sorcery
1x Balance
1x Cataclysm
1x Wrath of God
1x Hallowed Burial
1x Increasing Devotion
1x Akroma's Vengeance
1x Austere Command
1x Terminus
1x Martial Coup
1x Decree of Justice

White Enchantment
1x Land Tax
1x Blind Obedience
1x Luminarch Ascension
1x Act of Authority
1x Aura of Silence
1x Karmic Justice
1x Mobilization
1x Oblivion Ring
1x Sacred Mesa
1x Faith's Fetters
1x Marshal's Anthem
1x Moat
1x Cathar's Crusade

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Blue Creature 1x Gilded Drake 1x Phantasmal Image 1x Snapcaster Mage 1x Kira, Great Glass-Spinner 1x Thada Adel, Acquisitor 1x Thassa, God of the Sea 1x Archaeomancer 1x Glen Elendra Archmage 1x Sakashima the Impostor 1x Sakashima's Student 1x Venser, Shaper Savant 1x Voidmage Husher 1x Body Double 1x Ixidron 1x Magus of the Future 1x Mulldrifter 1x Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir 1x Vesuvan Shapeshifter 1x Consecrated Sphinx 1x Deadeye Navigator 1x Draining Whelk 1x Chancellor of the Spires 1x Diluvian Primordial 1x Palinchron 1x Phyrexian Ingester 1x Sphinx of Uthuun 1x Kederekt Leviathan 1x Tidespout Tyrant	Blue Planeswalker 1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor 1x Tezzeret the Seeker Blue Artifact Creature 1x Phyrexian Metamorph Blue Instant 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Rapid Hybridization 1x Arcane Denial 1x Counterspell 1x Cyclonic Rift 1x Mana Drain 1x Muddle the Mixture 1x Twincast 1x Capsize 1x Forbid 1x Hinder 1x Spell Crumple 1x Cryptic Command 1x Fact or Fiction 1x Gifts Ungiven 1x Evacuation 1x Force of Will 1x Misdirection 1x Spelljack 1x Blue Sun's Zenith	Blue Sorcery 1x Timetwister 1x Windfall 1x Deep Analysis 1x Rite of Replication 1x Devastation Tide 1x Recurring Insight 1x Stolen Identity 1x Time Spiral 1x Upheaval 1x Blatant Thievery 1x Curse of the Swine Blue Enchantment 1x Propaganda 1x Rhystic Study 1x Leyline of Anticipation 1x Treachery

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Black Creature 1x Viscera Seer 1x Blood Artist 1x Nezumi Graverobber 1x Reassembling Skeleton 1x Withered Wretch 1x Bone Shredder 1x Fleshbag Marauder 1x Stronghold Rats 1x Braids, Cabal Minion 1x Crypt Ghast 1x Dimir House Guard 1x Disciple of Bolas 1x Falkenrath Noble 1x Graveborn Muse 1x Mindslicer 1x Slum Reaper 1x Bloodgift Demon 1x Gray Merchant of Asphodel 1x Puppeteer Clique 1x Shriekmaw 1x Geth, Lord of the Vault 1x Grave Titan 1x Harvester of Souls 1x Kokusho, the Evening Star 1x Massacre Wurm 1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed 1x Nirkana Revenant 1x Pontiff of Blight 1x Scythe Specter 1x Butcher of Malakir 1x Rune-Scarred Demon 1x Sepulchral Primordial 1x Sheoldred, Whispering One 1x Avatar of Woe 1x Griselbrand	Black Planeswalker 1x Liliana Vess 1x Sorin Markov Black Instant 1x Vampiric Tutor 1x Go for the Throat 1x Hero's Downfall Black Sorcery 1x Innocent Blood 1x Reanimate 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Praetor's Grasp 1x Toxic Deluge 1x Consuming Vapors 1x Damnation 1x Syphon Mind 1x Beacon of Unrest 1x Living Death 1x Unburial Rites 1x Exsanguinate 1x Profane Command 1x Decree of Pain 1x Black Sun's Zenith Black Enchantment 1x Phyrexian Reclamation 1x Animate Dead 1x Bitterblossom 1x Necromancy 1x Necropotence 1x Phyrexian Arena 1x Recurring Nightmare 1x Grave Pact 1x Black Market 1x Yawgmoth's Bargain	Black Enchantment Artifact 1x Whip of Erebos Black Enchantment Creature 1x Erebos, God of the Dead

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Red Creature 1x Goblin Welder 1x Imperial Recruiter 1x Squee, Goblin Nabob 1x Taurean Mauler 1x Viashino Heretic 1x Anger 1x Beetleback Chief 1x Diaochan, Artful Beauty 1x Krenko, Mob Boss 1x Ogre Battledriver 1x Heartless Hidetsugu 1x Keldon Firebombers 1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 1x Mindclaw Shaman 1x Siege-Gang Commander 1x Urabrask the Hidden 1x Zealous Conscripts 1x Charmbreaker Devils 1x Conquering Manticore 1x Godo, Bandit Warlord 1x Hellkite Charger 1x Hellkite Tyrant 1x Hoard-Smelter Dragon 1x Inferno Titan 1x Mana-Charged Dragon 1x Balefire Dragon 1x Dragon Mage 1x Molten Primordial 1x Utvara Hellkite 1x Greater Gargadon	Red Planeswalker 1x Chandra, the Firebrand 1x Chandra Ablaze Red Instant 1x Fork 1x Reverberate 1x Chaos Warp 1x Reiterate 1x Grab the Reins 1x Wild Ricochet 1x Comet Storm 1x Fault Line Red Sorcery 1x Faithless Looting 1x Gamble 1x Vandalblast 1x Shattering Spree 1x Heat Shimmer 1x Wheel of Fortune 1x Aftershock 1x Mass Mutiny 1x Reforge the Soul 1x Earthquake 1x Rolling Earthquake 1x Insurrection 1x Warp World 1x Blasphemous Act	Red Enchantment 1x Goblin Bombardment 1x Aggravated Assault 1x Goblin Assault 1x Furnace of Rath 1x Sneak Attack 1x Splinter Twin 1x Gratuitous Violence 1x In the Web of War 1x Warstorm Surge 1x Vicious Shadows Red Enchantment Artifact 1x Hammer of Purphoros Red Enchantment Creature 1x Purphoros, God of the Forge

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Green Creature 1x Birds of Paradise 1x Fauna Shaman 1x Lotus Cobra 1x Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary 1x Sakura-Tribe Elder 1x Scavenging Ooze 1x Eternal Witness 1x Farhaven Elf 1x Fierce Empath 1x Wood Elves 1x Yavimaya Dryad 1x Yavimaya Elder 1x Oracle of Mul Daya 1x Yeva, Nature's Herald 1x Acidic Slime 1x Ant Queen 1x Indrik Stomphowler 1x Seedborn Muse 1x Thragtusk 1x Bane of Progress 1x Brutalizer Exarch 1x Hydra Omnivore 1x Kamahl, Fist of Krosa 1x Primeval Titan 1x Rampaging Baloth 1x Soul of the Harvest 1x Avenger of Zendikar 1x Krosan Tusker 1x Protean Hulk 1x Regal Force 1x Sylvan Primordial 1x Craterhoof Behemoth 1x Terastodon 1x Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger 1x Woodfall Primus	Green Planeswalker 1x Garruk Wildspeaker 1x Garruk, Primal Hunter Green Artifact 1x Birthing Pod Green Instant 1x Beast Within 1x Krosan Grip 1x Chord of Calling Green Sorcery 1x Life from the Loam 1x Nature's Lore 1x Regrowth 1x Cultivate 1x Kodama's Reach 1x Explosive Vegetation 1x Harmonize 1x Hunting Wilds 1x Natural Order 1x Skyshroud Claim 1x Primal Command 1x Green Sun's Zenith 1x Boundless Realms 1x Tooth and Nail 1x Genesis Wave Green Enchantment 1x Exploration 1x Survival of the Fittest 1x Sylvan Library 1x Awakening Zone 1x Defense of the Heart 1x Greater Good 1x Doubling Season 1x Lurking Predators 1x Mana Reflection 1x Primeval Bounty

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Green Creature
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Lotus Cobra
1x Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Eternal Witness
1x Farhaven Elf
1x Fierce Empath
1x Wood Elves
1x Yavimaya Dryad
1x Yavimaya Elder
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Yeva, Nature's Herald
1x Acidic Slime
1x Ant Queen
1x Indrik Stomphowler
1x Seedborn Muse
1x Thragtusk
1x Bane of Progress
1x Brutalizer Exarch
1x Hydra Omnivore
1x Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1x Primeval Titan
1x Rampaging Baloth
1x Soul of the Harvest
1x Avenger of Zendikar
1x Krosan Tusker
1x Protean Hulk
1x Regal Force
1x Sylvan Primordial
1x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Terastodon
1x Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
1x Woodfall Primus

Green Planeswalker
1x Garruk Wildspeaker
1x Garruk, Primal Hunter

Green Artifact
1x Birthing Pod

Green Instant
1x Beast Within
1x Krosan Grip
1x Chord of Calling

Green Sorcery
1x Life from the Loam
1x Nature's Lore
1x Regrowth
1x Cultivate
1x Kodama's Reach
1x Explosive Vegetation
1x Harmonize
1x Hunting Wilds
1x Natural Order
1x Skyshroud Claim
1x Primal Command
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Boundless Realms
1x Tooth and Nail
1x Genesis Wave

Green Enchantment
1x Exploration
1x Survival of the Fittest
1x Sylvan Library
1x Awakening Zone
1x Defense of the Heart
1x Greater Good
1x Doubling Season
1x Lurking Predators
1x Mana Reflection
1x Primeval Bounty

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Azorius 1x Sphinx's Revelation 1x Mirrorweave 1x Venser, the Sojourner 1x Supreme Verdict 1x Detention Sphere Dimir 1x Consuming Aberration 1x Havengul Lich 1x Wrexial, the Risen Deep 1x Memory Plunder 1x Mind Grind Rakdos 1x Sire of Insanity 1x Kaervek the Merciless 1x Master of Cruelties 1x Cauldron Dance 1x Torrent of Souls Gruul 1x Gruul Ragebeast 1x Decimate 1x Dragon Broodmother 1x Ruric Thar, the Unbowed 1x Sarkhan Vol	Selesnya 1x Knight of the Reliquary 1x Eladamri's Call 1x Saffi Eriksdotter 1x Aura Shards 1x Mirari's Wake Orzhov 1x Ashen Rider 1x Angel of Despair 1x Debt to the Deathless 1x Vindicate 1x Merciless Eviction Golgari 1x Lord of Extinction 1x Vraska the Unseen 1x Gaze of Granite 1x Maelstrom Pulse 1x Pernicious Deed Simic 1x Trygon Predator 1x Mystic Snake 1x Prophet of Kruphix 1x Progenitor Mimic 1x Voidslime	Izzet 1x Nivix Guildmage 1x Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius 1x Etherium-Horn Sorcerer 1x Izzet Charm 1x Steam Augury Boros 1x Duergar Hedge-Mage 1x Aurelia, the Warleader 1x Gisela, Blade of Goldnight 1x Boros Charm 1x Assemble the Legion

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Colorless Artifact 1x Everflowing Chalice 1x Mana Crypt 1x Mox Diamond 1x Basilisk Collar 1x Expedition Map 1x Mana Vault 1x Relic of Progenitus 1x Sensei's Divining Top 1x Skullclamp 1x Sol Ring 1x Wayfarer's Bauble 1x Azorius Signet 1x Boros Signet 1x Coldsteel Heart 1x Dimir Signet 1x Fellwar Stone 1x Golgari Signet 1x Grim Monolith 1x Gruul Signet 1x Izzet Signet 1x Lightning Greaves 1x Mind Stone 1x Nim Deathmantle 1x Orzhov Signet 1x Rakdos Signet 1x Scroll Rack 1x Selesnya Signet 1x Simic Signet 1x Swiftfoot Boots 1x Umezawa's Jitte 1x Winter Orb 1x Ashnod's Altar 1x Basalt Monolith 1x Chromatic Lantern 1x Coalition Relic 1x Crucible of Worlds 1x Crystal Shard 1x Darksteel Ingot 1x Darksteel Plate 1x Loxodon Warhammer 1x Mimic Vat 1x Oblivion Stone 1x Scultping Steel 1x Staff of Domination 1x Sword of Body and Mind 1x Sword of Feast and Famine 1x Sword of Fire and Ice 1x Worn Powerstone 1x Eye of Doom 1x Nevinyrral's Disk 1x Smokestack 1x Thran Dynamo 1x Trading Post 1x Vedalken Orrery 1x Batterskull 1x Gauntlet of Power 1x Gilded Lotus 1x Memory Jar 1x Mind's Eye 1x Panoptic Mirror 1x Caged Sun 1x Staff of Nin	Colorless Creature 1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth 1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Colorless Artifact Creature 1x Burnished Hart 1x Solemn Simulacrum 1x Duplicant 1x Steel Hellkite 1x Wurmcoil Engine 1x Myr Battlesphere 1x Sundering Titan 1x Blightsteel Colossus Colorless Planeswalker 1x Karn Liberated Colorless Sorcery 1x All Is Dust Dual 1x Badlands 1x Bayou 1x Plateau 1x Savannah 1x Scrubland 1x Taiga 1x Tropical Island 1x Tundra 1x Underground Sea 1x Volcanic Island Fetch 1x Arid Mesa 1x Bloodstained Mire 1x Flooded Strand 1x Marsh Flats 1x Misty Rainforest 1x Polluted Delta 1x Scalding Tarn 1x Verdant Catacombs 1x Windswept Heath 1x Wooded Foothills Shock 1x Blood Crypt 1x Breeding Pool 1x Godless Shrine 1x Hallowed Fountain 1x Overgrown Tomb 1x Sacred Foundry 1x Steam Vents 1x Stomping Ground 1x Temple Garden 1x Watery Grave Tap 1x Clifftop Retreat 1x Dragonskull Summit 1x Drowned Catacomb 1x Glacial Fortress 1x Hinterland Harbor 1x Isolated Chapel 1x Rootbound Crag 1x Sulfur Falls 1x Sunpetal Grove 1x Woodland Cemetery	Misc 1x Academy Ruins 1x Alchemist's Refuge 1x Ancient Tomb 1x Bojuka Bog 1x Cabal Coffers 1x Celestial Colonnade 1x City of Brass 1x Creeping Tar Pit 1x Emeria, the Sky Ruin 1x Evolving Wilds 1x Gaea's Cradle 1x Hall of the Bandit Lord 1x High Market 1x Homeward Path 1x Kessig Wolf Run 1x Kher Keep 1x Kor Haven 1x Krosan Verge 1x Lavaclaw Reaches 1x Maze of Ith 1x Mosswort Bridge 1x Reflecting Pool 1x Reliquary Tower 1x Strip Mine 1x Terramorphic Expanse 1x Volrath's Stronghold 1x Wasteland

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1/13: Cube size increased to 525

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How do you do 5x15 packs with 8 people? By my calculations, that requires 600 cards.

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#4 Jan 9, 2014
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You're right. 5x15 only works with 3-6 people for this list. This is just a core 480 list of the RL cube we play with which has closer to 600 cards. It's also an effort to encourage our playgroup to try and balance the list while maintaining a total that's a multiple of the draft pack size. I've updated the introduction to reflect this. It will be a placeholder until I upload the finalized 600+53 generals list. I've used your list for some inspiration, so I thank you for that contribution and exposure to multiplayer cubing. It's my favorite format of Magic. Have you any other observations?

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Hmm, taking a look.

I'd like to see what your general selection is. I'm curious as to why you've got a Colorless option, when that's pretty much impossible to do lands with.
35 life seems like an interesting choice. Care to talk about that?
Similarly, 60 cards is an interesting choice.

White:
*You've got Auriok Champion and Suture Priest, but not really anything that supports lifegain as a strategy. I'd recommend cutting these for something else, or adding more lifegain support like Archangel of Thune.
*You appear to be running ETB token generators like Geist-Honored Monk and Captain of the Watch over enchantment ones like Mobilization and Sacred Mesa and one-shot ones like Decree of Justice and Storm Herd. This isn't necessarily wrong, just an interesting choice. You might consider Knight-Captain of Eos as an additional guy to fill this role. Stronger token support like Cathars' Crusade is also recommended.
*You're missing a few tuck effects, notably Banishing Stroke and Hallowed Burial
*You've got more tax and stax effects than I do, like Loxodon Gatekeeper, Armageddon, and Windborn Muse.
*Your high end is smaller than mine. This is notable in that it makes Mayael and Kaalia worse options, though I'm not sure if you're running either.
*You run a few more Planeswalkers than I do pretty much across the board.

Blue:
*Show and Tell is the one thing that really jumps out at me here as being weird.

Black:
*Griselbrand and Yawgmoth's Bargain are interesting inclusions. I can definitely see how they'd be less than broken in a Cube format.
*I'm not a huge fan of Erebos, God of the Dead. How has he been for you?

Red:
*Guttersnipe is an interesting inclusion

Green:
*Manadorks are interesting. I don't like them a lot because my Cube runs a lot of wraths. Has this been a problem for you?
*Noble Hierarch? Do you relax color identity for this?
*At the same time, your ramp sorceries have been slashed compared to mine. Explosive Vegetation as the only 2 lands for 4? No Nature's Lore effects at all?

Gold:
*You have a legend (or two) in ~~each~~most of these sections. Do these function as extra general options?
*I'm not terribly fond of Augury Adept. UW has a lot of interesting options like Sphinx's Revelation, Mirrorweave, and Mistmeadow Witch that you're missing here.
*Mind Grind seems like it has the potential to be OP given the small deck sizes.
*Rakdos section looks fine, though Cauldron Dance is a ton of fun
*Your Gruul section is completely different from mine. How's Bloodbraid Elf worked out for you?
*Qasali Pridemage seems like an iffy option for Selesnya when you're missing out on great things like Knight of the Reliquary, Krosan Verge, Eladamri's Call, Convergence at Dawn, Glare of Subdual, etc.
*Your BW section is extremely Vindicate-heavy. You might consider some interesting alternative effects over Necrotic Sliver and Mortify like Debtors' Knell, Debt to the Deathless, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, etc.
*Golgari - Putrefy could be a more interesting card like Worm Harvest maybe
*I like Plasm Capture over Voidslime in Simic
*Izzet seems fine, this section is hard in general
*Boros likewise

Colorless:
*I see you have your colored lands under this section. That's something I changed a while ago.
*Ditto signets. I also don't run the green ones because green has enough other ramp.
*Otherwise this mostly looks fine.

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Sorry for the delay. I appreciate your feedback and made some changes based on it as I moved to a 525 cube size. I'll be approaching 600 soon. There were a lot of remnants of old archetypes we don't support anymore, so it's all been cleaned up. I'll try and address anything that hasn't changed.

The cube is used primarily for multiplayer and edh formats which changes some of the card inclusions like Aurelia, the Warleader as a main draft card instead of a general for boros. We'd rather have the option to play that card in all formats instead of sitting in a special sleeve (we'd also prefer not to change sleeves constantly or double include cards).
We've experimented with 30-40 life to support faster decks and early pressure. We're always striving to find balance between action vs reaction, interaction vs solitaire, competitive vs casual, consistency vs variance, etc. Lately, we've been having issues with time per turn (contributing to longer total game time) in complex scenarios which not as fun for the rest of the group. Still trying to determine just how much of it is inherent to the format vs something we can control.

Black:
*Erebos, God of the Dead is difficult to deal with in my list as their are only a handful of cards that can answer an indestructible enchantment. As such, I think the appeal is in its semi-permanent nature. It's usually very safe to assume that your opponents will not be gaining life and you will be drawing extra cards for the rest of the game. Similarly, Purphoros, God of the Forge is difficult to answer, though, with a much more devastating ability.

Gold:
*I think we place more value in Voidslime for it's unique (only card) capability to counter a triggered or activated ability. There's an added dynamic of knowing that your Oblivion Stone activation or Medomai the Ageless trigger may not happen. That being said, Plasm Capture is pretty good.

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My problem with Erebos is that neither of his abilities are that exciting. You don't know if your opponents are playing ANY lifegain, especially given the limited environment. And the card draw is pretty pitiful given it's relatively massive cost compared to a lot of other repeated draw cards.

As far as Voidslime goes, I feel like if you really want a Stifle effect, Stifle or Trickbind are the way to go because they can fit in many more decks. Voidslime is just so narrow, as well as being relatively expensive for what it does.

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I have the same problems with him, but it seems like good thing in multiplayer. You're more likely to attract attention after a sorcery speed Promise of Power rather than just curving out with your unused mana sometimes. Similarly, nobody really cares about their lifegain denial until it actually matters. Though, you're right. It really isn't all that exciting until I get to surprise attack someone! That's why I've ranked it pretty low (tier 2 out of 5 with Cubetutor tags) and we're still testing it.

I suppose we have a different definition of what narrow means because countering ANY casted spell, triggered, or activated ability seems pretty versatile. It is a one-shot effect and attached to UG. However, we are still talking about that particular slot in gold, so it will be locked to that color identity anyway. It's hard for me to knock it at this point since we've already seen it do work during our games. If I were building a UG EDH deck I would want both. Here's some additional material that helped support its initial inclusion: Plasm Capture vs Voidslime, 33 EDH decks play it vs 14 from the multicolor spoiler Top 200 Multicolor EDH Cards.

I'd also like to know what you think of the new changes! Also, have you thought about ranking cards or something similar for tagging on your Cubetutor list?

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The changes mostly look pretty good.

I still don't know about Erebos. I've been immensely unenthused by him since he was revealed. But if you like him, by all means.

Re: Voidslime vs Plasm Capture - I was suggesting you make this swap and then work Stifle or Trickbind into your blue section somewhere.
Also, there's fewer Plasm Captures than Voidslimes in lists is because Voidslime as been around for a lot longer.

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