Didn't see a thread for this one. This card seems pretty good to me. It's no Sylvan Caryatid, but guarantees that you get to untap with it which is pretty much essential for a 2 mana dork. Providing fixing is obviously quite good, and it can trade with an aggro threat or beat your control opponent down in a pinch. Definitely seems like a card worthy of testing at 450 for me, not sure what will I'll be testing it over.
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Eh, it can't block and it can get killed once it taps once. Caryatid this ain't. Easy pass for me. It's been a long time since being a 2/1 was a strong upside for a creature.
Probably good enough for large cubes, but certainly worse than caryatid.
Caryatid blocking 2/1's is an important upside.
Also, random effects like Chainwhirler, rolling earthquake for 1, make a 2/1 a greater risk of extending into certain sweepers (green has a lot of X/1s)
Also, the hexproof is not consistent which is pretty relevant vs red.
I like it more than a lot of the other recent 2 mana accelerators, IE incubation druid, Rattleclaw mystic, druid of the claw
This seems like a fine and dandy playable. It's also one respectable choice among several others. Maybe this is slightly better than Skyshroud Elf most of the time, but the differential is not huge, and there are a lot of decent cards in the category. Caryatid is solidly better, so this will never be in the front of the line.
I feel like people have been burned one too many times by Chainwhirler in standard, because I’m not altogether convinced this is significantly worse than Caryatid. There can’t be more than a tiny handful of cards in cube that sweep this but not Caryatid in early turns. Green is the amongst the best anti-aggro colors in cube anyway, and this gives ramp and beatdown-oriented green decks some much needed overlap.
I can see this sneaking into 540 cubes, particularly ones that support aggressive green decks.
I thinks it's probably worse than lotus cobra or sylvan caryatid but better than wall of roots.
This is the craziest thing I have read all day. Wall of roots is the stone cold nuts as far as ramp creatures go.
Do you choose Wall of Roots over the one drop mana dorks or Birds? Do you choose it over Lotus Cobra or Rofellos? It might be better than Paradise Druid but if I'm replacing a mana producing creature it's my first cut.
Wall of Roots is outstanding. Not only can it make mana immediately, but it can block and produce mana in the same round, and it can make mana on both turns. That card is in no danger of going anywhere.
I thinks it's probably worse than lotus cobra or sylvan caryatid but better than wall of roots.
This is the craziest thing I have read all day. Wall of roots is the stone cold nuts as far as ramp creatures go.
Do you choose Wall of Roots over the one drop mana dorks or Birds? Do you choose it over Lotus Cobra or Rofellos? It might be better than Paradise Druid but if I'm replacing a mana producing creature it's my first cut.
It's better than Lotus Cobra easily. I'd also choose it over any elf that was likely to be a boreal druid in my deck, and if I have birds and an elf I'm taking wall of roots over the 3rd elf every time. It makes mana immediately, can make mana on your opponent's turn, and is a standout with Rikshar cause it can make 2 mana a turn, unlike most mana elves. It's can also make mana and tap with opposition. Wall of roots is AMAZING.
I don't want to derail this thread but I value Lotus Cobra much higher than Wall. Different strokes.
Sylvan Caryatid is played in Cubes because it taps for any color of mana. That is a strong ability. Obviously, Paradise Druid doesn't have regular hexproof but I think you could play your game expecting one guaranteed mana ramp off it. That's better insurance than most dorks. As well, being an actual threat in combat is something.
I play a lot of multicolor spells so cards like tbis are valuable to me.
While we're talking about our preferences, I think that Fertile Ground is much better than the other cards you mentioned. It's harder to remove, and if you can get it on an untapped land, it has pseudo-haste. It's not good like Lotus Cobra or Wall of Roots, but I think I like it better than this actually.
But yeah, it turns out there are probably at least a dozen good cards that are worth arguing for over this guy. Still, it's a perfectly playable card. Nobody should be embarrassed to play it.
Didn't see a thread for this one. This card seems pretty good to me. It's no Sylvan Caryatid, but guarantees that you get to untap with it which is pretty much essential for a 2 mana dork. Providing fixing is obviously quite good, and it can trade with an aggro threat or beat your control opponent down in a pinch. Definitely seems like a card worthy of testing at 450 for me, not sure what will I'll be testing it over.
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Caryatid blocking 2/1's is an important upside.
Also, random effects like Chainwhirler, rolling earthquake for 1, make a 2/1 a greater risk of extending into certain sweepers (green has a lot of X/1s)
Also, the hexproof is not consistent which is pretty relevant vs red.
I like it more than a lot of the other recent 2 mana accelerators, IE incubation druid, Rattleclaw mystic, druid of the claw
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I can see this sneaking into 540 cubes, particularly ones that support aggressive green decks.
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While it is beaten by Sylvan Caryatid, Lotus Cobra, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Wall of Roots, you might want more 2 drop mana ramp with fixing in bigger lists.
I think it beats the 2-3 tier all mana 2 drop ramp such as: Utopia Tree, Channeler Initiate, Beastcaller Savant, Drover of the Mighty and Fertile Ground.
It is a bird that you can't bolt and a hexproof blocker that can secure a trade on the defense, as you are sure to get at least one use out of it.
This is the craziest thing I have read all day. Wall of roots is the stone cold nuts as far as ramp creatures go.
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This card isn't anything close to Wall of Roots.
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It's better than Lotus Cobra easily. I'd also choose it over any elf that was likely to be a boreal druid in my deck, and if I have birds and an elf I'm taking wall of roots over the 3rd elf every time. It makes mana immediately, can make mana on your opponent's turn, and is a standout with Rikshar cause it can make 2 mana a turn, unlike most mana elves. It's can also make mana and tap with opposition. Wall of roots is AMAZING.
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Sylvan Caryatid is played in Cubes because it taps for any color of mana. That is a strong ability. Obviously, Paradise Druid doesn't have regular hexproof but I think you could play your game expecting one guaranteed mana ramp off it. That's better insurance than most dorks. As well, being an actual threat in combat is something.
I play a lot of multicolor spells so cards like tbis are valuable to me.
While we're talking about our preferences, I think that Fertile Ground is much better than the other cards you mentioned. It's harder to remove, and if you can get it on an untapped land, it has pseudo-haste. It's not good like Lotus Cobra or Wall of Roots, but I think I like it better than this actually.
But yeah, it turns out there are probably at least a dozen good cards that are worth arguing for over this guy. Still, it's a perfectly playable card. Nobody should be embarrassed to play it.
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