MTG Salvation

I think its super sweet, but maybe a little week?

Seems bad to me.

Yeah. It's kind of underwhelming. Is it maybe better than Managorger Hydra or Boon Satyr?

Maybe a few years ago this would have gotten there, but slots have tightened up since then, and the upside on it really isn't anything absurd.

Hexproof is the ability it needed, IMO.

Yep. Hexproof is really what would have pushed it over the top, as it would have fed into the "hard-to-kill" ability the counters give.
It doesn't even seem like it'd be that ridiculous considering the way the rest of the Phantom cycle was... and most of those came with an extra ability as well (pro-black, trample, lifelink).
While most of those carried a higher price, they also came into play full grown.

A big, hard to kill vanilla creature would at least be somewhat interesting, and this isn't even that.

This is just not good. Maybe there is some way it could be twisted. Maybe as a 0/0 that started with 2 or 3 counters, or if it border land rangered a land. Or even better if it let you play an extra land on your turn. Just meh to me.

This card is garbage without landfall, so im evaluating it as a four drop, which really really makes it bad. It reminds me of scute mob, a pretty good BCS, but a really bad wcs and acs. This will be a 2/2 vanilla on turn 3, or when in topdeck mode every time.

As a fan of Vinelasher Kudzu, I think this card is pretty exciting. I will have to test it out to see if the extra colored mana is simply to prohibitive. The best parts of Kudzu is using a dork to get it out turn 2 and immediately drop a fetch and crack it. Being at CMC 3 and doubled colored means you might have to spend your fetches to actually be able to cast it. Maybe the phantom ability can make up for the harder casting cost, I'll try it out and see.

I think it's somewhere between Vinelasher Kudzu and Phantom Centaure. But both of them are way better, and I don't run any of them. So I can easily say that it's a pass for my cube. And I think that all my green 3-drops are also more valuable than him.

There is already a thread for this guy.

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There is already a thread for this guy.

Oh, sorry about that. Did a Ctrl+F to find it, but must have misspelled or something. I'll try to delete this thread, or some mod could merge the threads.

No interest in this guy, but maybe in a cube that pushes a counters/token theme. A small cube going double fetches?

It's painfully average. Hexproof or Trample would've made it interesting, however. Or even... costing GG if you go really pushed.

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No interest in this guy, but maybe in a cube that pushes a counters/token theme. A small cube going double fetches?

At one point I ran triple fetches (At 540), and Vinelasher Kudzu was still mediocre.
My hopes are not high

Speaking of Vinelasher Kudzu, is this new guy better or worse than that card? I think I like Kudzu more.

I like the Kudzu a fair bit. However, I only still run him because I have a land theme in Green currently (Fastbond, Oracle etc).

Kudzu is an easy to cast 2-drop. It's way better than this one. I like at least 10 green 3-drops more than this.