I like it. Floor of 3/2 Menace zombie is not the worst. It is easy in many cases to dump counters onto an irrelevant or recurring body or token. A 5/4 menace for 3 is a huge threat to most boards as you can't chump that. Interested for sure.
This is a beating with graver crawler. You play this and put the -1/-1 counters on crawler, ping them for 1, then recast crawler since this is a zombie.
Worth a look for sure. 3/2 menace is cool. We've got zombies coming out of our ears after this set, so the last part isn't just flavor text. It provides a little reach in black, which could always use it.
I'll test this out.
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I've been hoping for more zombies and this is exactly what I wanted. Plays fantastically with Gravecrawler, Bloodsoaked Champion, and Bloodghast and I'm sure others that I can't remember as of now.
A few years ago this would have been in for sure but we have sooo many good three drops. It does have a splahable cost which most don't and the power level is certainly there. I am hopeful but evasive 3 drop beaters like Herald of Torment and Master of the Feast didn't make it.
I think the drawback on this is much less punishing than the drawback on master of the feast. Also, a 5/4 is waaaay harder to kill than a 3/3 so I think this beats out herald of torment. That said, there will be times when you drop the -1/-1 counters on your one drop only to have this o-ringed or something. That would be a major bummer for sure. Not 100% sold but I am certainly intrigued.
I really liked Herald of Torment but that card was all about the awesome Aura mode. Made 2/2 creatures hit like Thundermaw Hellkite. With removal protection! I do miss that card sometimes, more so than Master of the Feast. The 3/3 flying three drop mode was a cherry on top.
It would be fun to follow up a Sarkhan [-2] with this in a Jund deck. We need more Threaten effects...
Gonna rescind on my initial comment. Forgot I'm running Mardu whatever-his-name-is...the dash guy. And as one user put it "he got chumped for days". Easy swap--good catch!
Gonna rescind on my initial comment. Forgot I'm running Mardu whatever-his-name-is...the dash guy. And as one user put it "he got chumped for days". Easy swap--good catch!
Exactly my thought process as well! I was really hoping he was good but there were too many board states in which he would just get walled by a 1 drop to justify keeping him around. I'm really excited for Plague Belcher and hopefully actually recurring Gravecrawler at a reasonable rate!
I like this card. We have some quality 3-drops in Black now but none hit like a truck. At 5-power with Menace it becomes a very fast clock. Only sad part is is that it gets a lot worse off a turn 1 Ritual, but nonetheless I feel it's a card worth testing.
I'm not completely sold yet. 3/2 menace isn't an awful floor, but I still feel uncomfortable targeting other creatures with this only to get 2 for 1'd. I think it's a good option, especially with the increase of zombies, but this doesn't unseat any current 3-drop that I'm running.
i'm looking at cutting xathrid necromancer for this if i include it. I've been running a zombie tribal theme since the beginning with my cube but I find that I never really get that many cards off of necromancer even though humans are the most common creature type in my cube.
I want to include this card, but cuts are tough. Mardu Strike Leader has dash and makes tokens. Vampire Nighthawk is a control stabilizer. Not sure what to cut, but it may come from elsewhere in black. A good problem to have.
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It's hard to say where this guy goes. I wouldn't cut Mardu Strike Leader for it, Especially because he's one of the few cube staples that interact really well with Plague Belcher. If you don't want a Black Boggart Brute, then you probably don't want this card. The Exception being if you support a LOT of creature based recursion like wtwlf said.
Just wondering, do you think this creature would make it there if it was golgari? It feels great in those decks, but are the slots too tight for it?
I'm interested. Great with recurring creatures / Ophiomancer. Not on curve, but also awesome with Priest of the Blood Rite. Sadly, besides those, I cannot think of many ways to take advantage of this, killing off a token or bear, or maybe one of your creatures got hit by Faith's Fetters? I'm not sure if there are enough interactions to make this consistently better than a Boggart Brute.
I'm interested. Great with recurring creatures / Ophiomancer. Not on curve, but also awesome with Priest of the Blood Rite. Sadly, besides those, I cannot think of many ways to take advantage of this, killing off a token or bear, or maybe one of your creatures got hit by Faith's Fetters? I'm not sure if there are enough interactions to make this consistently better than a Boggart Brute.
I'm thinking the same thing. I'll pick one up and put it with my old cube cards hoping that it can find its way in one day when there are more synergies or recursive creatures.
I still have Mardu Strike Leader around, so I'll test this. The card is not great by cube standards, but the competition in black three drops is not high, and we really need some good 2B contenders.
Is this good enough? Black now has a million things that return forever into eternity non stop
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I'll test this out.
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It would be fun to follow up a Sarkhan [-2] with this in a Jund deck. We need more Threaten effects...
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Exactly my thought process as well! I was really hoping he was good but there were too many board states in which he would just get walled by a 1 drop to justify keeping him around. I'm really excited for Plague Belcher and hopefully actually recurring Gravecrawler at a reasonable rate!
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Just wondering, do you think this creature would make it there if it was golgari? It feels great in those decks, but are the slots too tight for it?
I don't think I'd play this in traditional cubes tho.
Without the grave crawler + sac outlet synergies he's only decent, in a competitive slot.
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