So I'll try to keep this brief but I doubt that'll work:
Basically I've been shopping around for a second job - my current job is getting me by just fine but an extra shift or two a week would be a nice way to make some fun money and help out with saving. I got an interview and at the interview I immediately explained my availability - that I worked the evenings on these four days, and there were two other days I needed to have away from work because they were the days off my girlfriend and I shared. The boss promised that would be fine and after conducting the interview they offered me the job, we shook hands and I started the next day. Anyways, a few days later the boss schedules me for the only three days I had off at my other job, effectively making me work seven days a week. I confronted them about it and they told me to go to my old job and take time off if I needed a break, but they were going to "keep these hours in place for the foreseeable future".
Now I know I'm very old-fashioned and it's embarrassed me in the past but I've always taken a handshake to mean, in essence "everyone present agrees to the terms we set, this is a binding promise" so to have the boss promise me certain days off and turn around on them was pretty offensive. Beyond that, me working seven days a week "for the foreseeable future" wasn't really what I was after considering I was seeking maybe ten extra hours a week just to treat myself some more.
Anyways, after a week of this, a different employer offered me an interview and I almost told them I'd already been hired but then decided to follow through. This second job has promised me the hours I want, the wage I want, the days off I want and even a little incentive package to switch over. Needless to say I'm almost definitely doing so.
What I want to ask you guys is, would it be rude of me to tell the old boss that I quit, not providing notice? Since I was only in training I can't perceive they'd want a two-weeks notice because then they'd just be training me for a position I wouldn't actually fill. Beyond that, should I really care if it's rude or not? Was breaking their promise as an employer not pretty rude in itself? At my original job I'm a manager who (among other things) handles the hiring, firing, training and HR complaints so it especially offended me, because it's something I would never do if it were me hiring someone else.
Basically I've been shopping around for a second job - my current job is getting me by just fine but an extra shift or two a week would be a nice way to make some fun money and help out with saving. I got an interview and at the interview I immediately explained my availability - that I worked the evenings on these four days, and there were two other days I needed to have away from work because they were the days off my girlfriend and I shared. The boss promised that would be fine and after conducting the interview they offered me the job, we shook hands and I started the next day. Anyways, a few days later the boss schedules me for the only three days I had off at my other job, effectively making me work seven days a week. I confronted them about it and they told me to go to my old job and take time off if I needed a break, but they were going to "keep these hours in place for the foreseeable future".
Now I know I'm very old-fashioned and it's embarrassed me in the past but I've always taken a handshake to mean, in essence "everyone present agrees to the terms we set, this is a binding promise" so to have the boss promise me certain days off and turn around on them was pretty offensive.
I mean, I don't know exactly what was behind that change, but yeah, it is pretty unprofessional of them to offer you the job based on the conditions and then immediately flip around and change it.
Anyways, after a week of this, a different employer offered me an interview and I almost told them I'd already been hired but then decided to follow through. This second job has promised me the hours I want, the wage I want, the days off I want and even a little incentive package to switch over. Needless to say I'm almost definitely doing so.
What I want to ask you guys is, would it be rude of me to tell the old boss that I quit, not providing notice?
Wait, the old boss as in the boss for the second job that shifted your hours after you explained the terms of your working there to him?
No. It wouldn't be rude. You just say that your conditions for working there were agreed upon hours, and that when they shifted the schedules you can no longer work there.
Beyond that, should I really care if it's rude or not?
Well, that was actually going to be my follow up question: do you actually care if you're being rude? You don't want to work there, you haven't been working there all that long anyway, they went back on their assurance that your conditions for you working there would be met, and it's not like you need them for the money or a recommendation. Just quit.
Was breaking their promise as an employer not pretty rude in itself? At my original job I'm a manager who (among other things) handles the hiring, firing, training and HR complaints so it especially offended me, because it's something I would never do if it were me hiring someone else.
Now I don't think they were intentionally being a dick to you, or trying to jerk you around, but even if they were, here's a chance to take the higher ground. Just say that you had, in the interview, stated your schedule, and they had said it was fine. When the schedule changed, you tried to be accommodating, but you recognize that this is not going to work out, and that you suggest they find another employee for the position. Don't be rude, but be firm that you're leaving, and if they give you ***** about it, screw them.
As for a notice, you are only a trainee. It's not like they're going to be understaffed.
I presume this 2nd job is in retail(and in retail, you are a body to plug into a hole). Firstly, when you clearly articulate that you can only work days A/B/C at time X/Y/Z and you explain why during the interview there should be very little confusion on your availability. They agree to hire to knowing your availability. If they schedule you on these days you cannot work, you need to immediately talk to the HR manager, the Store Manager or call the companies HR #.
You are ABSOLUTELY within reason to quit on that 2nd job, for the 3rd job. Employers who treat people (and employees) with respect and understanding will get A LOT MORE out of their workers. This 2nd job sounds like they need bodies and were saying anything to get you there, in the hopes that you will be another one of those "well I got scheduled to work this day..so I guess I have to." You clearly already have a full time job as a Manager, so you are looking for supplemental part-time income that works around your schedule.
The world (and life) is a 2-way street: would you hire someone at your 1st job to work monday - friday if they told you explicitly that they can only work saturday/sunday?
Ditch the 2nd job, and take the 3rd job. How polite you want to be to that 2nd job employer is up to you. Personally, if an employer were gonna screw with me like that, I would call and flat out quit, or just walk in and tell them, then leave.
Take the job you want, give notice as you can and an apology, make a mental note to give a little bit of money or time to the world (as you'll have more of both) and you come out with a net gain in the morality department.
You and the employer agreed on a set of working conditions. It might have just been verbal, but a verbal contract should still hold. They are in breech of said contract and you have ever right - morally and legally - to walk.
It's not rude; the rudeness is on their part if anywhere.
So I'll try to keep this brief but I doubt that'll work:
Basically I've been shopping around for a second job - my current job is getting me by just fine but an extra shift or two a week would be a nice way to make some fun money and help out with saving. I got an interview and at the interview I immediately explained my availability - that I worked the evenings on these four days, and there were two other days I needed to have away from work because they were the days off my girlfriend and I shared. The boss promised that would be fine and after conducting the interview they offered me the job, we shook hands and I started the next day. Anyways, a few days later the boss schedules me for the only three days I had off at my other job, effectively making me work seven days a week. I confronted them about it and they told me to go to my old job and take time off if I needed a break, but they were going to "keep these hours in place for the foreseeable future".
Now I know I'm very old-fashioned and it's embarrassed me in the past but I've always taken a handshake to mean, in essence "everyone present agrees to the terms we set, this is a binding promise" so to have the boss promise me certain days off and turn around on them was pretty offensive. Beyond that, me working seven days a week "for the foreseeable future" wasn't really what I was after considering I was seeking maybe ten extra hours a week just to treat myself some more.
Anyways, after a week of this, a different employer offered me an interview and I almost told them I'd already been hired but then decided to follow through. This second job has promised me the hours I want, the wage I want, the days off I want and even a little incentive package to switch over. Needless to say I'm almost definitely doing so.
What I want to ask you guys is, would it be rude of me to tell the old boss that I quit, not providing notice? Since I was only in training I can't perceive they'd want a two-weeks notice because then they'd just be training me for a position I wouldn't actually fill. Beyond that, should I really care if it's rude or not? Was breaking their promise as an employer not pretty rude in itself? At my original job I'm a manager who (among other things) handles the hiring, firing, training and HR complaints so it especially offended me, because it's something I would never do if it were me hiring someone else.
This has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or not. Even "back in the day," employers pushed their employees' limits to see what they could get out of them. Simply put, you're not getting what you were promised or what you can live with. Just thank them kindly for opportunity, but let them know that this was not what was promised and that you're moving on. You don't have to be rude, but you don't have to take their crap either.
I guess it's unanimous then, that's a surprise. Usually on the internet at least one person disagrees
In all seriousness though, I know I'm a bit too softspoken most of the time and worry about stepping on people's toes, so this was one of those cases where I didn't know if it was me being oversensitive or if it really was a disrespectful move. Glad to see a consensus, tells me I'm going the right way.
Basically I've been shopping around for a second job - my current job is getting me by just fine but an extra shift or two a week would be a nice way to make some fun money and help out with saving. I got an interview and at the interview I immediately explained my availability - that I worked the evenings on these four days, and there were two other days I needed to have away from work because they were the days off my girlfriend and I shared. The boss promised that would be fine and after conducting the interview they offered me the job, we shook hands and I started the next day. Anyways, a few days later the boss schedules me for the only three days I had off at my other job, effectively making me work seven days a week. I confronted them about it and they told me to go to my old job and take time off if I needed a break, but they were going to "keep these hours in place for the foreseeable future".
Now I know I'm very old-fashioned and it's embarrassed me in the past but I've always taken a handshake to mean, in essence "everyone present agrees to the terms we set, this is a binding promise" so to have the boss promise me certain days off and turn around on them was pretty offensive. Beyond that, me working seven days a week "for the foreseeable future" wasn't really what I was after considering I was seeking maybe ten extra hours a week just to treat myself some more.
Anyways, after a week of this, a different employer offered me an interview and I almost told them I'd already been hired but then decided to follow through. This second job has promised me the hours I want, the wage I want, the days off I want and even a little incentive package to switch over. Needless to say I'm almost definitely doing so.
What I want to ask you guys is, would it be rude of me to tell the old boss that I quit, not providing notice? Since I was only in training I can't perceive they'd want a two-weeks notice because then they'd just be training me for a position I wouldn't actually fill. Beyond that, should I really care if it's rude or not? Was breaking their promise as an employer not pretty rude in itself? At my original job I'm a manager who (among other things) handles the hiring, firing, training and HR complaints so it especially offended me, because it's something I would never do if it were me hiring someone else.
Wait, the old boss as in the boss for the second job that shifted your hours after you explained the terms of your working there to him?
No. It wouldn't be rude. You just say that your conditions for working there were agreed upon hours, and that when they shifted the schedules you can no longer work there.
Well, that was actually going to be my follow up question: do you actually care if you're being rude? You don't want to work there, you haven't been working there all that long anyway, they went back on their assurance that your conditions for you working there would be met, and it's not like you need them for the money or a recommendation. Just quit.
Now I don't think they were intentionally being a dick to you, or trying to jerk you around, but even if they were, here's a chance to take the higher ground. Just say that you had, in the interview, stated your schedule, and they had said it was fine. When the schedule changed, you tried to be accommodating, but you recognize that this is not going to work out, and that you suggest they find another employee for the position. Don't be rude, but be firm that you're leaving, and if they give you ***** about it, screw them.
As for a notice, you are only a trainee. It's not like they're going to be understaffed.
I presume this 2nd job is in retail(and in retail, you are a body to plug into a hole). Firstly, when you clearly articulate that you can only work days A/B/C at time X/Y/Z and you explain why during the interview there should be very little confusion on your availability. They agree to hire to knowing your availability. If they schedule you on these days you cannot work, you need to immediately talk to the HR manager, the Store Manager or call the companies HR #.
You are ABSOLUTELY within reason to quit on that 2nd job, for the 3rd job. Employers who treat people (and employees) with respect and understanding will get A LOT MORE out of their workers. This 2nd job sounds like they need bodies and were saying anything to get you there, in the hopes that you will be another one of those "well I got scheduled to work this day..so I guess I have to." You clearly already have a full time job as a Manager, so you are looking for supplemental part-time income that works around your schedule.
The world (and life) is a 2-way street: would you hire someone at your 1st job to work monday - friday if they told you explicitly that they can only work saturday/sunday?
Ditch the 2nd job, and take the 3rd job. How polite you want to be to that 2nd job employer is up to you. Personally, if an employer were gonna screw with me like that, I would call and flat out quit, or just walk in and tell them, then leave.
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Screw them. This is a pretty common tactic for hourly employers. They promise you one thing, then force you to do another.
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You and the employer agreed on a set of working conditions. It might have just been verbal, but a verbal contract should still hold. They are in breech of said contract and you have ever right - morally and legally - to walk.
It's not rude; the rudeness is on their part if anywhere.
This has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or not. Even "back in the day," employers pushed their employees' limits to see what they could get out of them. Simply put, you're not getting what you were promised or what you can live with. Just thank them kindly for opportunity, but let them know that this was not what was promised and that you're moving on. You don't have to be rude, but you don't have to take their crap either.
In all seriousness though, I know I'm a bit too softspoken most of the time and worry about stepping on people's toes, so this was one of those cases where I didn't know if it was me being oversensitive or if it really was a disrespectful move. Glad to see a consensus, tells me I'm going the right way.
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