I disagree. If you can't stop a turn two tinker, or the after effects, you have no business at the table.
Years ago when my Meta discovered EDH, we saw it as a Singleton format that allowed us to run one of anything. It's not like 60 card builds, where you can continue to pull. At 100, degeneration cannot happen. At least, IMO.
Playing with banlists not only ruins the integrity of the game for me, but also ruins the fun factor.
@Ban lists - I can understand things like Griselbrand and Worldfire in EDH, but. with all banned lists, if you don't have an answer, you need more than a banned list to help you. I, for one, would like Cloudpost, Umezawa's Jitte, Sensei's Divining Top, and Stoneforge Mystic to be legal in modern. Maybe wizards should have a yearly "banned list lifted" month, just to have fun with it.
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What fun is EDH if you can pump out a 1st Turn 4 player win? Griselbrand is nearly always a swing 7 draw 7. I'm not saying I disagree, but being that it's a casual format, you have every right to ignore the banned list. Just saying, anything legal can degenerate a format, I mean, Xbox should be a banned gaming console. It's a degeneration haven.
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What fun is EDH if you can pump out a 1st Turn 4 player win? Griselbrand is nearly always a swing 7 draw 7. I'm not saying I disagree, but being that it's a casual format, you have every right to ignore the banned list. Just saying, anything legal can degenerate a format, I mean, Xbox should be a banned gaming console. It's a degeneration haven.
It's not a casual format. It's a social one.
EDH is already degenerate. Interestingly enough the one card I am very happy to see banned is Trade Secrets (in fact I called it before the announcement). It creates a situation where collusion is required, which goes completely against the formats 'social' nature. I do agree cards should not be banned for power alone in EDH.
EDH is already degenerate. Interestingly enough the one card I am very happy to see banned is Trade Secrets (in fact I called it before the announcement). It creates a situation where collusion is required, which goes completely against the formats 'social' nature. I do agree cards should not be banned for power alone in EDH.
Is it a sanctioned competitive social format? I'm not disagreeing, just don't see how social makes it non-casual.
EDIT: This is stemming from the assumption that casual format simply designates non-competitive format.
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Even with no banlist, the games are rarely, if ever, over on turn one.
No proxies. 100 card singleton is kind of hard to do that... for most people anyway;)
This is the way my entire meta is. No one thinks it's degenerate, therefor it is not.
Even with no banlist, the games are rarely, if ever, over on turn one.
No proxies. 100 card singleton is kind of hard to do that... for most people anyway;)
This is the way my entire meta is. No one thinks it's degenerate, therefor it is not.
To be completely honest, I would've loved to make a Griselbrand EDH deck. Just not so sure about Worldfire. I'm sure I would only let that happen once, though.
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Polukranos is kinda poop. Sure, a 4 mana 5/5 is fantastic, but his ability is convoluted and lame. If it didn't have that "activate only when there are no counters on Polukranos" ability the card would be pretty decent. Otherwise it's kind of bad in anything but EDH. It may see some standard play but due a) to its legendary typing and b) that restriction it won't be very popular.
OMFG!!! What did I say?!? WHAT DID I SAY!!?! Boros gets boosted in Theros!!! I freaking told you so. Watch Dimir get nothing again!!
I'm possitive that a 3-drop 3/2 with first strike and vigilance is enough, but lets throw any random pump or even boros charm to pump the community. Glad I own Lifebane Zombies
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I'm with ya there, bro. I knew you'd be right, but I dared to hope that the ****ers would cut us some slack. Looks like I'll be packing up my standard stuff for a while - oh wait, I don't even play standard because **** THEM.
I've got a deck I'm building. It's so ridiculous that it just might work. a have a pile of cards on my table. I'll post the list when I sort out the stuff that doesn't work. It's Esper. and I'm gonna beat them at thier own game. On another note Haunted Plate Mail and Grim Return could make creature-less viable. My deck is certainly not creature-less.
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I'm feeling a Kamigawa vibe going on with Theros, a few wacky and utterly average Legendary creatures with a tiny bit of absolutely broken crap.
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Sorry to hear that, I hope the best for you. Were you close to him?
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Was more so as a kid but he kinda checked out a bit the last 10 or so years after my Grandma died. This was definitely not unexpected, he had a heart attack a few months ago and kept saying he was ready to be with his wife again. So a part of me is happy that he's not in pain anymore and can be back with my Grandma (not going to say in heaven cus who the hell knows if that's real, but somewhere).
Was more so as a kid but he kinda checked out a bit the last 10 or so years after my Grandma died. This was definitely not unexpected, he had a heart attack a few months ago and kept saying he was ready to be with his wife again. So a part of me is happy that he's not in pain anymore and can be back with my Grandma (not going to say in heaven cus who the hell knows if that's real, but somewhere).
That's good then. At least you know he's at peace.
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I'm feeling a Kamigawa vibe going on with Theros, a few wacky and utterly average Legendary creatures with a tiny bit of absolutely broken crap.
Similar thoughts here. While Monstrosity feels kind of narrow, it's at least flavourful on the hydra (grows extra heads and noms people). Heroic thing feels like designed around sticking auras to things, to buffer those unfortunate 2-for-1 moments when the aura target gets Bolted. Hoping there will be an Enchantress-type card to convert those auras into card draw.
Also, I envy some people's precognition skills. With a full two cards spoiled, you're already capable of gauging the whole set's power level? All I see is two mechanics that don't knock my socks off, and that in today's Magic enviroment, even a 4 mana 5/5 with upside doesn't get the respect it would have gotten a couple years ago.
I totally agree that a 4 mana 5/5 would have been considered outrageously good five years ago, but we're playing a different standard now. I'd rather have Deadbridge Goliath than Polukranos simply because it's more likely that his ability will see action and also because he's not legendary. I'm not gauging the whole set, but I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a rerun of Kamigawa.
One thing about the Monstrosity ability, you have to remember that it's green. In October, when Arbor Elf, Pilgrim, and Archdruid all roll out, your green ramp is down to Elvish Mystic. Even though they said no elves, they didn't say no Druids. Druids fit better for flavor, while still accessing mana. I doubt Theros will leave green without ramp, unless they are intentionally slowing standard down to a grind. I'm just saying, a lot of 1 or 2 drop dudes to help mana, wipe with monstrosity turn 4 and swing for lethal could happen. Control players get yourself a playset of Haunted Plate Mail. I'm telling you that card is getting overlooked.
@Tera It's just a matter of studying and identifying patterns. Both patterns in how spoilers get revealed(the first couple MUST excite interest, while also not be misleading), as well as design patterns(i.e. what would they be most likely to release as support, as well as opposition). I took it upon myself to study behavioral psychology and some sociology a while back. It was one of the first things I became proficient at with minimal effort. I was essentially just trying to figure out why people treated me different for having different colored hair, which at the time had almost no stereotypes attached to it. Thank you South Park. Anyway, the designers also typically give away hints, sometimes unintentionally, without even spoiling a card. Theme gives you a nice box to put things in.
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Whoa Haunted Plate Mail. Thanks for pointing that card out, bro. I need eight. Literally. Pestilence has wanted this for a while and so has standard control (boardwipe, 4/4 to the face? I think so).
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Yeah, and if you look at Grim Return it puts it back on the Battlefield... for :2mana::symb:. Only problem is "died this turn", so it nees a fresh corpse, however being at instant speed can allow you to respond to those "2nd Main, Unburial Rites". So, go ahead, Gruul and Junk, attack first, cast spells after. Pair G.R. With Rapid Hybridization, Human Frailty, or Tragic Slip to target your kill.
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Years ago when my Meta discovered EDH, we saw it as a Singleton format that allowed us to run one of anything. It's not like 60 card builds, where you can continue to pull. At 100, degeneration cannot happen. At least, IMO.
Playing with banlists not only ruins the integrity of the game for me, but also ruins the fun factor.
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@Ban lists - I can understand things like Griselbrand and Worldfire in EDH, but. with all banned lists, if you don't have an answer, you need more than a banned list to help you. I, for one, would like Cloudpost, Umezawa's Jitte, Sensei's Divining Top, and Stoneforge Mystic to be legal in modern. Maybe wizards should have a yearly "banned list lifted" month, just to have fun with it.
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I understand banlists, just don't agree with an EDH banlist.
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It's not a casual format. It's a social one.
EDH is already degenerate. Interestingly enough the one card I am very happy to see banned is Trade Secrets (in fact I called it before the announcement). It creates a situation where collusion is required, which goes completely against the formats 'social' nature. I do agree cards should not be banned for power alone in EDH.
Is it a sanctioned competitive social format? I'm not disagreeing, just don't see how social makes it non-casual.
EDIT: This is stemming from the assumption that casual format simply designates non-competitive format.
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No proxies. 100 card singleton is kind of hard to do that... for most people anyway;)
This is the way my entire meta is. No one thinks it's degenerate, therefor it is not.
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To be completely honest, I would've loved to make a Griselbrand EDH deck. Just not so sure about Worldfire. I'm sure I would only let that happen once, though.
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OMFG!!! What did I say?!? WHAT DID I SAY!!?! Boros gets boosted in Theros!!! I freaking told you so. Watch Dimir get nothing again!!
I'm possitive that a 3-drop 3/2 with first strike and vigilance is enough, but lets throw any random pump or even boros charm to pump the community. Glad I own Lifebane Zombies
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I've got a deck I'm building. It's so ridiculous that it just might work. a have a pile of cards on my table. I'll post the list when I sort out the stuff that doesn't work. It's Esper. and I'm gonna beat them at thier own game. On another note Haunted Plate Mail and Grim Return could make creature-less viable. My deck is certainly not creature-less.
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My grandfather passed away yesterday morning so I'll be out of town through Sunday to be with my family and for his services. May get on if I can but otherwise take care for a few days!
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That's good then. At least you know he's at peace.
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Similar thoughts here. While Monstrosity feels kind of narrow, it's at least flavourful on the hydra (grows extra heads and noms people). Heroic thing feels like designed around sticking auras to things, to buffer those unfortunate 2-for-1 moments when the aura target gets Bolted. Hoping there will be an Enchantress-type card to convert those auras into card draw.
Also, I envy some people's precognition skills. With a full two cards spoiled, you're already capable of gauging the whole set's power level? All I see is two mechanics that don't knock my socks off, and that in today's Magic enviroment, even a 4 mana 5/5 with upside doesn't get the respect it would have gotten a couple years ago.
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One thing about the Monstrosity ability, you have to remember that it's green. In October, when Arbor Elf, Pilgrim, and Archdruid all roll out, your green ramp is down to Elvish Mystic. Even though they said no elves, they didn't say no Druids. Druids fit better for flavor, while still accessing mana. I doubt Theros will leave green without ramp, unless they are intentionally slowing standard down to a grind. I'm just saying, a lot of 1 or 2 drop dudes to help mana, wipe with monstrosity turn 4 and swing for lethal could happen. Control players get yourself a playset of Haunted Plate Mail. I'm telling you that card is getting overlooked.
@Tera It's just a matter of studying and identifying patterns. Both patterns in how spoilers get revealed(the first couple MUST excite interest, while also not be misleading), as well as design patterns(i.e. what would they be most likely to release as support, as well as opposition). I took it upon myself to study behavioral psychology and some sociology a while back. It was one of the first things I became proficient at with minimal effort. I was essentially just trying to figure out why people treated me different for having different colored hair, which at the time had almost no stereotypes attached to it. Thank you South Park. Anyway, the designers also typically give away hints, sometimes unintentionally, without even spoiling a card. Theme gives you a nice box to put things in.
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Yeah, and if you look at Grim Return it puts it back on the Battlefield... for :2mana::symb:. Only problem is "died this turn", so it nees a fresh corpse, however being at instant speed can allow you to respond to those "2nd Main, Unburial Rites". So, go ahead, Gruul and Junk, attack first, cast spells after. Pair G.R. With Rapid Hybridization, Human Frailty, or Tragic Slip to target your kill.
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