The Clan thread has just changed so radically, and we're all running to catch up. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but look... Fires of Salvation members and mods, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution have just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we possibly have the slightest idea what to expect?
But seriously, now that I’ve had a nap and can form a coherent thought from the comfort of a computer, I can put some real thought into a post.
The idea of a “treehouse site” isn’t new – it’s what our current Clan site is for. We even have a thread specifically for *****ing about moderators, trolls, and people we don’t ever want stepping foot into our Clan on that site. However, the problem is that the majority of the Clan members can’t access it from their jobs. Ham’s idea works if (and only if) it doesn’t get blocked by some of the FoS members’ job’s firewalls. I know that lorddax put a lot of hard work into making our FoS site, but its inaccessibility makes it convenient for us to stay on MTGS and do the majority of our venting here. Which has proven to be problematic.
While on one hand, the Red Mage in me does not want to be contained and follow rules. Hell, none of us do. I want to speak my mind when I want to without the Thought Police interfering. On the other hand, I realize that MTGS is not the FoS’s site. There are rules to be followed and, much to our Red Mage chagrin, structure to be maintained. FoS was birthed from a motley assortment of MTGS users – MTGS users that knew the ropes before committing and forming a Clan. Granted, we’ve all never agreed with most of the rules, but we’ve pretty much followed them before.
However, I’m not really shocked that all of this is happening right now. As Red Mages, we can all be impulsive and have some pretty fiery tempers. The fact that MTGS’s Red Mage Clan is pretty much in some hot water for flaming seems pretty fitting. I’m not trying to argue with whoever’s right or wrong. I can accept responsibility for my actions – yes, I flamed rivaltuna. Maybe not to his/her face, but nonetheless, I still did it and nothing will change that. I’m not sorry for doing it. I understand I broke a rule. I was punished. So be it.
From what I can understand, a Clan thread is supposed to be a place where its members can relax and talk non-MTG related things. For us, no subject is taboo. It’s like that episode of South Park where the writers for Family Guy were a bunch of manatees that picked random balls with words on it to string sentences together to make jokes – the minute one topic was considered “off-limits,” the whole thing failed. I hate comparing ourselves to manatees, but we need this kind of freedom. Red thrives on freedom and we embody that. To be told that you can talk about whatever you want except for dick jokes, women bashing, and about MTGS users who piss you off can really suck the wind out of our sails. Naturally, this stokes our Fire hotter. We get impulsive and say things in the moment that usually aren’t well thought out (except for photodyer; everything he writes is pure gold).
With what’s going on now, I really do see a divide between the FoS and the mods. It really is turning into a whole “us VS them” type deal. I can honestly say I truly see both sides of the argument. About 6 months ago, I got promoted at work. I’m now in a position of authority and I have to make decisions that affect more people than me. I have rules and policies to uphold and I’m pretty sure I’m less popular with some people now because of that. But you know what? I really don’t care about my popularity because I have a job to do and dammit, that job is gonna get done (cuz I’m a hustla, baby!). I see the mods in that same position. Granted, just like with management at my job, there are good ones and some really awful ones, but in the end there is always going to be that divide between the masses and the authority because one group has the power and the other group doesn’t. I don’t want a war with the moderators. It wouldn’t end well and I’m sure it would leave a bitter taste in everyone’s mouth.
We, as Red Mages, want to have our cake and to eat it too. Unfortunately, this rarely works out that way in life. But, with everyone’s suggestions, ideas, and working together, I think there may be a way in the future for us to do that. In the meantime, we need to focus on the situation at hand. I’m in full support of finding a “treehouse” that will accommodate all aspects of the FoS. We can still develop and nurture the R/x Forum. Who knows, maybe we can still have our thread here? But honestly, if we’re really going to cut loose and vent, it has to be done elsewhere. If we don’t, we’ll be right here again.
And in the meantime, I can hold my tongue and refrain from flaming somebody on this site.
One thing I would suggest to my brothers would be speaking up in the rules thread if there is such a thing to suggest changes to the site as nobody will know there is a problem if no one speaks up.
Would it be possible to make a thread completely hidden to non members on the site? I understand that the mods don't want this kind of behavior but if we migrate, the site loses the entire r/x sub forum.
I hate comparing ourselves to manatees, but we need this kind of freedom.
Edit:
Check out the big brain on LK!
The two highlights of this pots.
But yeah, I agree on the managing aspect, hence I said I don't care as much about the mod's role in this. They're just doing a job within a given frame work as best as they can. It's the ****ty ****ing rules that are the problem.
LP, I'm checking your article out as well. Behind all of your swag is the brain of one of the most intelligent Magic players I've ever known. I guess that's one more thing for you to add to the wall of ego that is your Sally sig.
I can go with that. LK, you are the Mace Windu of red mages...cool, tempered logic in deliberation, but capable of just flat kicking tail when the situation warrants it.
Would it be possible to make a thread completely hidden to non members on the site? I understand that the mods don't want this kind of behavior but if we migrate, the site loses the entire r/x sub forum.
Pretty sure that'd just be another Gutter - besides, I'm not ashamed of what we say in here.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
The average post quality has gone down since I stopped posting there. /tootshorn
But seriously, since we've abandoned R/x subforum for the clan thread, that place has somewhat slipped back into the pack of all the other subforums as far as post quality and growth goes. Luckily, lots of those users still pop up here seeking the nector of the gods.
Another thing, I'm thinking more and more that the true purpose of the Ham challenge was to quite the physical act and transcend it to a mental form of self pleasure(or in redthirst's case, group pleasure) as we've become a group that's been getting off to our own ego's.
I find this a net positive and saves you a lot on Kleenex and laundry costs.
Edit: I'm generally amused by people who look down at the things we say. Mostly because they're not having nearly as much fun as us nor know the depths of brotherhood we share.
LP, I'm checking your article out as well. Behind all of your swag is the brain of one of the most intelligent Magic players I've ever known. I guess that's one more thing for you to add to the wall of ego that is your Sally sig.
I can go with that. LK, you are the Mace Windu of red mages...cool, tempered logic in deliberation, but capable of just flat kicking tail when the situation warrants it.
LP, I'm checking your article out as well. Behind all of your swag is the brain of one of the most intelligent Magic players I've ever known. I guess that's one more thing for you to add to the wall of ego that is your Sally sig.
I can go with that. LK, you are the Mace Windu of red mages...cool, tempered logic in deliberation, but capable of just flat kicking tail when the situation warrants it.
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
So it looks like the natural progression is to establish a shrine--redthirst.com--as clan central such that we may bask unhindered in his radiant presence. Works for me.
EDIT: Anyone want to come to dinner? I'm off to the kitchen to make some chicken tikka masala...door's open.
ModsModsI'm posting from the road so excuse me if the uh voice to text is a little off. I'm not going to be as eloquent for his worry is the any of the other poster so far either.
short and sweet I think it's ******** that there has to be drama every time there's a power differential between people this is the internet for ***** sake. it doesn't have to be so serious business, MOds.
so if my input doesn't mean anything it's that I don't care what site wEre On.
a family is a family no matter what places are living in. so I'll be just fine with any decision I've made no real preference here
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redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I'm kind of terrified that we keep get people wanting to join or motley crew after the **** we've said/done/gotten into. I think redthirst is literally casting some demonic charm/dweomer on us to conscript an actual cult of followers to further his nefarious ends.
LP, I'm checking your article out as well. Behind all of your swag is the brain of one of the most intelligent Magic players I've ever known. I guess that's one more thing for you to add to the wall of ego that is your Sally sig.
I can go with that. LK, you are the Mace Windu of red mages...cool, tempered logic in deliberation, but capable of just flat kicking tail when the situation warrants it.
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I'd like to join too. Nice to see you guys have some fire (haha get it, oy) and don't just take crap. Those are the kinds of people that get things done. Sometimes you do need to challenge and question authority. A lot of communities get too focused on just enforcing the rules instead of focusing on improving the quality of the community. That way they can hide behind a wall of "fairness" and claim they are just doing their job as mods.
I see it on other communities and it makes people go a big rubbery one when they can point to some set of rules and say they are enforeced the same, or should be for everyone. I think the people who are against banning users for being obvious ***** are nervous the community would want them banned one day under such a provision.
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I don't fear the man who has played 10,000 decks once. I fear the man who played one deck 10,000 times.
But seriously, now that I’ve had a nap and can form a coherent thought from the comfort of a computer, I can put some real thought into a post.
The idea of a “treehouse site” isn’t new – it’s what our current Clan site is for. We even have a thread specifically for *****ing about moderators, trolls, and people we don’t ever want stepping foot into our Clan on that site. However, the problem is that the majority of the Clan members can’t access it from their jobs. Ham’s idea works if (and only if) it doesn’t get blocked by some of the FoS members’ job’s firewalls. I know that lorddax put a lot of hard work into making our FoS site, but its inaccessibility makes it convenient for us to stay on MTGS and do the majority of our venting here. Which has proven to be problematic.
While on one hand, the Red Mage in me does not want to be contained and follow rules. Hell, none of us do. I want to speak my mind when I want to without the Thought Police interfering. On the other hand, I realize that MTGS is not the FoS’s site. There are rules to be followed and, much to our Red Mage chagrin, structure to be maintained. FoS was birthed from a motley assortment of MTGS users – MTGS users that knew the ropes before committing and forming a Clan. Granted, we’ve all never agreed with most of the rules, but we’ve pretty much followed them before.
However, I’m not really shocked that all of this is happening right now. As Red Mages, we can all be impulsive and have some pretty fiery tempers. The fact that MTGS’s Red Mage Clan is pretty much in some hot water for flaming seems pretty fitting. I’m not trying to argue with whoever’s right or wrong. I can accept responsibility for my actions – yes, I flamed rivaltuna. Maybe not to his/her face, but nonetheless, I still did it and nothing will change that. I’m not sorry for doing it. I understand I broke a rule. I was punished. So be it.
From what I can understand, a Clan thread is supposed to be a place where its members can relax and talk non-MTG related things. For us, no subject is taboo. It’s like that episode of South Park where the writers for Family Guy were a bunch of manatees that picked random balls with words on it to string sentences together to make jokes – the minute one topic was considered “off-limits,” the whole thing failed. I hate comparing ourselves to manatees, but we need this kind of freedom. Red thrives on freedom and we embody that. To be told that you can talk about whatever you want except for dick jokes, women bashing, and about MTGS users who piss you off can really suck the wind out of our sails. Naturally, this stokes our Fire hotter. We get impulsive and say things in the moment that usually aren’t well thought out (except for photodyer; everything he writes is pure gold).
With what’s going on now, I really do see a divide between the FoS and the mods. It really is turning into a whole “us VS them” type deal. I can honestly say I truly see both sides of the argument. About 6 months ago, I got promoted at work. I’m now in a position of authority and I have to make decisions that affect more people than me. I have rules and policies to uphold and I’m pretty sure I’m less popular with some people now because of that. But you know what? I really don’t care about my popularity because I have a job to do and dammit, that job is gonna get done (cuz I’m a hustla, baby!). I see the mods in that same position. Granted, just like with management at my job, there are good ones and some really awful ones, but in the end there is always going to be that divide between the masses and the authority because one group has the power and the other group doesn’t. I don’t want a war with the moderators. It wouldn’t end well and I’m sure it would leave a bitter taste in everyone’s mouth.
We, as Red Mages, want to have our cake and to eat it too. Unfortunately, this rarely works out that way in life. But, with everyone’s suggestions, ideas, and working together, I think there may be a way in the future for us to do that. In the meantime, we need to focus on the situation at hand. I’m in full support of finding a “treehouse” that will accommodate all aspects of the FoS. We can still develop and nurture the R/x Forum. Who knows, maybe we can still have our thread here? But honestly, if we’re really going to cut loose and vent, it has to be done elsewhere. If we don’t, we’ll be right here again.
And in the meantime, I can hold my tongue and refrain from flaming somebody on this site.
Edit:
Check out the big brain on LK!
I like this a lot. And I really think we should.
The two highlights of this pots.
But yeah, I agree on the managing aspect, hence I said I don't care as much about the mod's role in this. They're just doing a job within a given frame work as best as they can. It's the ****ty ****ing rules that are the problem.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
Pretty sure that'd just be another Gutter - besides, I'm not ashamed of what we say in here.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
But seriously, since we've abandoned R/x subforum for the clan thread, that place has somewhat slipped back into the pack of all the other subforums as far as post quality and growth goes. Luckily, lots of those users still pop up here seeking the nector of the gods.
Another thing, I'm thinking more and more that the true purpose of the Ham challenge was to quite the physical act and transcend it to a mental form of self pleasure(or in redthirst's case, group pleasure) as we've become a group that's been getting off to our own ego's.
I find this a net positive and saves you a lot on Kleenex and laundry costs.
Edit: I'm generally amused by people who look down at the things we say. Mostly because they're not having nearly as much fun as us nor know the depths of brotherhood we share.
Crap, got caught up thinking about redthirst. Day 1 of the challenge.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
You need to break the challenge with redthirst? I orgasm regularly while in his presence, hands free.
Edit: 10 minutes and it's imminently provable that we can praise our leader, if nothing else from this site.
All things are possible through redthirst who purifies me through his flames and his presence.
You too, huh?
That's usually where I stumble too - I mean, there's a mirror directly adjacent to my shower...
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
His presence may require a Z-style exception. Nobody can resist that concentrated sexual firepower.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
So it looks like the natural progression is to establish a shrine--redthirst.com--as clan central such that we may bask unhindered in his radiant presence. Works for me.
EDIT: Anyone want to come to dinner? I'm off to the kitchen to make some chicken tikka masala...door's open.
The gods know I've tried...and failed.
short and sweet I think it's ******** that there has to be drama every time there's a power differential between people this is the internet for ***** sake. it doesn't have to be so serious business, MOds.
so if my input doesn't mean anything it's that I don't care what site wEre On.
a family is a family no matter what places are living in. so I'll be just fine with any decision I've made no real preference here
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Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Awkward...
Probs want to read the last half dozen pages or so - lmk if you're still interested after that.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
You set the bar pretty high to begin with, you bastard.
Because we care about facts.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
Good man. I'll get you on the list.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
I see it on other communities and it makes people go a big rubbery one when they can point to some set of rules and say they are enforeced the same, or should be for everyone. I think the people who are against banning users for being obvious ***** are nervous the community would want them banned one day under such a provision.
R Reach out and torch someone R
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