How does one get to have access to the clan forum?
Tier 2 status. If we decide to move forums, we'll either find a new place and announce that we're moving, or give everyone access to the Clan forum and move the clan thread there (either permanently or temporarily).
I'd also like to clarify, once again because I feel like this fact is getting lost, that if we do move the clan thread to another site, then that's all that's changing. You don't have to post in the new site's Standard forum or never visit MTGS again for fear of being ostracized. This isn't an "us or them - with us or against us" kind of deal. This is just trying to figure out where it would be best for all of us to have our clan thread.
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I can't comment on the way other parts of this forum are run because I'm not in control anywhere else, but here in clans we do not tolerate open hostility and flaming of others entirely because this is supposed to be a safe and relaxing area to hang out.
If one of your requirements of a place to hang out is that you be allowed to say whatever you want and not care whether there might be a person on the receiving end of your insults, you will certainly need to find a site to migrate to, at least for those purposes.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Well, I am up for leaving as well if it comes to that. I was never that partial to MTGS from the get go after reading this blog post about the state of MTGS, its moderators, and the web site as a whole before joining(although, to be fair the author seems like he is a bit of a douche bag but, the way he describes the moderators on this site seem to ring true with the actions and words displayed recently).
I am all for staying and seeing how the buttered toast lands but, I have a distinct feeling we'll be here again in a similar situation in the future following another round of infractions or a ban of one of our own based on quick fiery words in a discussion somewhere on this site. It is inevitable. Like Dane said, we are Red Mages.
I can't comment on the way other parts of this forum are run because I'm not in control anywhere else, but here in clans we do not tolerate open hostility and flaming of others entirely because this is supposed to be a safe and relaxing area to hang out.
If one of your requirements of a place to hang out is that you be allowed to say whatever you want and not care whether there might be a person on the receiving end of your insults, you will certainly need to find a site to migrate to, at least for those purposes.
This is something else to keep in mind. In the past when someone was obviously talking out their ass in the forum we would come here to discuss what we should do about it (if it was in the R/x sub) or just blow off steam since we could not actually say anything to that person without earning a card.
If we stay, that will no longer be an option. Not only would it get the poster(s) suspended, but it would likely get the Clan shut down as well.
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—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
Mods/admins, I emplore you to take a step back, make a cup of coffee/tea/whatever your relaxing beverage of choice is, and read over some of the unreported sections of this clan thread.
You'll find acceptance, brotherhood, friendship, cordiality, and support. You'll find a group of like-minded members who care about each other in many dimensions - on these forums, in the M:tG community as a whole, and as human beings. You'll also find dick jokes and assorted vulgarity. But you won't find a single clan member (to my knowledge, and I've back-read a lot of this thread) complaining about the dick jokes and vulgarity.
Before handing down a sentence on the clan as a whole, please put this episode in context. This clan's name is Fires of Salvation. I think it's safe to assume from that alone, without even reading the intro post, that the majority of members and posters in this thread are red mages in Magic. Therefore the standard sub-forum of choice will be the competitive R/x forum. Now please head there and read some of the threads sticky'ed in that forum. They are well thought-out, articulate, logical, and scientific in nature. As an example, Hamfactorial, an FoS member, put together a brilliant piece (among many) quantifying potential draws, land drops, etc. This recent situation with Rivaltuna involved the R/x community defending its statistical, scientific approach against an argument centering entirely around anecdotal evidence at best, B.S. at worst (and, let's face it, more likely).
MTG Salvation forums have already suspended Rivaltuna. I don't know what for precisely, but I have to assume he did something wrong. He was actively trolling the R/x forums, and many members simultaneously post there and here. Naturally the controversy will spill over. I can understand flames and insults needing to be punished, but the punishment should not overreach the "crime."
This situation has escalated and feels more like the moderation/admin community wishing to "make and example" rather than addressing specific infractions.
People will always lash out against punishments that are handed out in a manner outside the normal, documented application. Most people aren't stupid. It's easy to tell when the punishment falls outside the scope of the incident.
I'm one of the newest contributors of this thread, and am technically a Tier 1 Probationary member. Part of me feels I should bow out because I don't have the "street cred" here yet. But this just doesn't feel right and I'm not one to stand idly by when something doesn't feel right.
This actually reminds me a LOT of my dorm in college. I went to a small school that didn't have fraternities. The college had "freshman housing" where there were 2 dorms dedicated to freshmen, and the rest of the campus had upper-class housing. At the end of your freshman year you submit your top 3 choices for upper-class housing and the administration filtered you all in as best they could. The house I ended up in, Rackham Court West (the origin of the "rcw" in my forum name), was the closest thing the school had to a fraternity. We were incredibly close-knit. We were a brotherhood. We'd do anything for each other. But the rest of the school also saw us as elitist. We always had more members on the school paper than any other house, so our views were what was published. We always had the greatest attendance for intramural sports events, so we always won the championships. We hung out together, we pulled pranks on other houses and the administration, and we, again, always stood up for each other.
The administration hated us. They fined the hell out of us and kicked a lot of us out of school for various things. But it was all based on jealousy. For instance, they frequently disallowed house activities solely because other houses didn't run comparable events and their members were jealous. But here's the catch - they could have started something in their houses. They also could have joined us whenever they wanted. We were so welcoming it's not even funny. If you didn't want to do what we did then you'd probably find us annoying. But if you wanted to join in, then we welcomed you with open arms.
That's very much how I see this clan. Supportive and welcoming to any like-minded forum goer. But fiercely loyal and protective.
Again, please take a step back and put this incident into context. The member who, in my opinion, caused it has been suspended and made a post saying he's joining the SEALS and won't be coming back any time soon. You've already handed out individual infractions for flaming and suspended at least one of our clan-mates (and a very visible one at that). You've posted in the clan thread asking us not to insult people anywhere on the site, whether it be in clan or elsewhere. I'd say the message has been sent and understood, and it's time to move on. Further pressing on the subject by the mod/admin team is likely to result in nothing more than a growing gap and an "us vs. them" attitude on both sides.
Can't we all just get along? This thread is making me want to listen to some **** da police. Anyway I hope you guys stick around in at least some capacity as most you seem to actually know what you are talking about over on on the standard and Rx forums. Dropping knowledge bombs on Re-noobs (again) like me.
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I don't fear the man who has played 10,000 decks once. I fear the man who played one deck 10,000 times.
I was never that partial to MTGS from the get go after reading this blog post about the state of MTGS, its moderators, and the web site as a whole before joining(although, to be fair the author seems like he is a bit of a douche bag but, the way he describes the moderators on this site seem to ring true with the actions and words displayed recently).
Check out the last comment on that link.
Hilarious.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I'm one of the newest contributors of this thread, and am technically a Tier 1 Probationary member. Part of me feels I should bow out because I don't have the "street cred" here yet. But this just doesn't feel right and I'm not one to stand idly by when something doesn't feel right.
This goes for every clan member - please feel free to post. No matter how long you've been a member, this effects you and you have a say.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
Wow...this is just surreal. I have not seen such an absolute abuse of power invoked to hate out a group of outspoken individuals since living near DC in the 60's. It is overcontrolling, self-righteous discrimination such as this that has doomed our children within a school system that promotes mediocrity and extinguishes individual thought. I am utterly disgusted.
I already tried my hand at reasoning, so I will not waste any more time trying to appeal to the administration here. It is quite obvious that we are perceived not as a threat to the community (as these preposterous allegations would have us believe) but rather as a threat to the kangaroo court that holds sway here. It is quite obvious that the many positives that we have brought to this community--in the form of the most active and quality-oriented Magic subforum in the Standard section of this site--mean absolutely nothing next to the ability of the mods to impose their will. Given the attitudes expressed through word and action toward us, I regret to say that I do not see any way that we can stay here. It is obvious that we would continue to be hawked over and pinged for every ill-chosen word. I'm not willing to live like that, nor to have the people I want to talk with kicked out of the collective for weeks at a time.
Having said this, I have to echo redthirst's concerns regarding where we choose to relocate. To be very blunt, I think the FoS site is pretty much crap. I cannot access the site from work because it is firewalled out at a gaming site (I don't know how MTGS forums is accessible as the rest of the site is not, but that's a government firewall for you). If we move to FoS, I too will be effectively gone from the clan as I work 12-hour nights and have to depend on access from work. I also feel that the forum mechanics there are vastly inferior to a vbulletin-driven community.
I am not very versed within the Magic subculture as a whole, but my suggestion would be to look for another home within an established MtG community where we can maintain the dynamic we have here. That's my other issue with the FoS site--it being external to our Magic forum creates a disconnect. Do any of you know of another MtG site where we might rebuild the Rx subforum and clan with hopes of drawing more folks who have interests in advancing the game?
It really saddens me that we have come to this. It is quite obvious that we are red mages in a meta that is under the control of mono-blue minded individuals who are never going to accept us as we are. We threaten their control of the status quo, which is obviously the only thing that means anything around here.
Sounds like Ham just volunteered a possible solution.
It would also make the Ham Challenge just that much more special.
We've already got something like that, but if it could get past my firewall, it'd certainly be better for me.
Just a quick google search of possible sites showed these options that weren't blocked for me:
MTG Community - I know they're less strict with moderation, but the community is small.
TCG Player or mtgfanatic - no clue about moderation, but the community is larger
Pojo - no clue about moderation, but the community is huge
Any of those look like possibilities to anyone else?
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—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
MTG Community - I know they're less strict with moderation, but the community is small.
TCG Player or mtgfanatic - no clue about moderation, but the community is larger
Pojo - no clue about moderation, but the community is huge
Any of those look like possibilities to anyone else?
Man, I really don't like any of these options. But if I had to pick one, MTG Community is probably the site where we'd encounter the least amount of bull****.
Man, I really don't like any of these options. But if I had to pick one, MTG Community is probably the site where we'd encounter the least amount of bull****.
Like I said, I'm pretty much limited by what I can see at work since that's when I do like 90% of my posting - but if you can find a more appropriate site, then throw it out there. I'll just post on my phone if I have to.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I don't want "redthirst lite" either. Phone posting sucks. That's why my posts have become shorter and shorter as I've been working more. :/
edit: go look at mtg vault forums. what do you think?
it's powered by vbulletin....just saiyan'.
2nd edit: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
The owners of MTG Vault Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."
Never mind. same problems we'll encounter there I'm sure...
Ham's post reflects another option that might ultimately make best sense IF we want to continue to try to contribute to the community here an draw from it. If we were to allow the clan thread here to lapse and maintain it completely offsite at ham's, we could simply point to threads within the Rx forum from the clan site my way of discussion. Membership in the clan would regrettably be something that we would have to advert via sig links (if that is even legal here) or through direct pm'd invitations, but we would at least maintain the tie to Rx here. Even though it chafes my nethers to have to dance around spurious modding, I will admit that the same things that drew each of us to MTGS in the first place are valid reasons for maintaining the tie here. I think that if we move our clan discussion off to a truly open-voiced forum, we can likely get our venting done and come back over here and play by the rules with regards to reporting spurious posts and such rather than going vigilante on chowderheads and getting infracted for doing so.
Does this make sense to anyone else? I'm not trying to overinflate my worth or anyone else's but I would like to see the Rx forum continue to strive for excellence. I just want to know that we can step outside and safely air our opinions before addressing issues within the forum.
I think ham's offer--a site that has no other administration and will be self-policing by nature (and not tied to a gaming site such that some of us get firewalled out) is the best option for the freedom we desire.
Ham's post reflects another option that might ultimately make best sense IF we want to continue to try to contribute to the community here an draw from it. If we were to allow the clan thread here to lapse and maintain it completely offsite at ham's, we could simply point to threads within the Rx forum from the clan site my way of discussion. Membership in the clan would regrettably be something that we would have to advert via sig links (if that is even legal here) or through direct pm'd invitations, but we would at least maintain the tie to Rx here. Even though it chafes my nethers to have to dance around spurious modding, I will admit that the same things that drew each of us to MTGS in the first place are valid reasons for maintaining the tie here. I think that if we move our clan discussion off to a truly open-voiced forum, we can likely get our venting done and come back over here and play by the rules with regards to reporting spurious posts and such rather than going vigilante on chowderheads and getting infracted for doing so.
Does this make sense to anyone else? I'm not trying to overinflate my worth or anyone else's but I would like to see the Rx forum continue to strive for excellence. I just want to know that we can step outside and safely air our opinions before addressing issues within the forum.
I think ham's offer--a site that has no other administration and will be self-policing by nature (and not tied to a gaming site such that some of us get firewalled out) is the best option for the freedom we desire.
I'm not against that idea, photo, though I would like to eventually find another MtG community that we could become a part of that doesn't have as many problems as this one.
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redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I can't comment on the other MtG sites because I am not back at work until Sunday and thus cannot tell if I would be locked out from any of them.
Seriously, though...tempers (mine included) over hand-slaps aside, do we REALLY want to pull away from MtGS or just establish an accessible and non-externally moderated "room" to house the clan? I really think ham's offer gives us the best of both worlds. We should stay here and active on as the core of the Rx subforum being as our content is here and we have the greatest potential for community. We just need to take a collective pledge to utilize the rules as they exist to have the mods deal with useless/detrimental posts.
Just what I'm seeing...granted, I'm running on a few hour nap and am also trying to deal with more ex-wife induced insanity at the moment so I readily admit that I may be narrow in my vision here. I just don't want to see this clan fall apart, and I think foundation in an active Magic community is essential to that.
I'm not against that idea, photo, though I would like to eventually find another MtG community that we could become a part of that doesn't have as many problems as this one.
I can get behind this 1000000% my friend...we are of like minds here.
All of those sites suggested will probably lead us eventually to the same sour bitter pickle we find ourselves in now.
I do like photo's approach to this, however. We simply make our own digital tree house somewhere else but, pull from this community still, or hell, maybe even from other communities being that the official clan will technically exist else where and stay within the painfully rigid graces of the management here.
I think it's - at least - a good stop-gap measure until we decide that we want to do something else. If it ends up working out, then great! We have our solution.
Plus, there's nothing stopping those that want to stay active here from doing so and those that want to go elsewhere from doing that.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I am indifferent right now. I'll let you know more when I have had sufficient time to think.
Tier 2 status. If we decide to move forums, we'll either find a new place and announce that we're moving, or give everyone access to the Clan forum and move the clan thread there (either permanently or temporarily).
I'd also like to clarify, once again because I feel like this fact is getting lost, that if we do move the clan thread to another site, then that's all that's changing. You don't have to post in the new site's Standard forum or never visit MTGS again for fear of being ostracized. This isn't an "us or them - with us or against us" kind of deal. This is just trying to figure out where it would be best for all of us to have our clan thread.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
If one of your requirements of a place to hang out is that you be allowed to say whatever you want and not care whether there might be a person on the receiving end of your insults, you will certainly need to find a site to migrate to, at least for those purposes.
I am all for staying and seeing how the buttered toast lands but, I have a distinct feeling we'll be here again in a similar situation in the future following another round of infractions or a ban of one of our own based on quick fiery words in a discussion somewhere on this site. It is inevitable. Like Dane said, we are Red Mages.
This is something else to keep in mind. In the past when someone was obviously talking out their ass in the forum we would come here to discuss what we should do about it (if it was in the R/x sub) or just blow off steam since we could not actually say anything to that person without earning a card.
If we stay, that will no longer be an option. Not only would it get the poster(s) suspended, but it would likely get the Clan shut down as well.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
You'll find acceptance, brotherhood, friendship, cordiality, and support. You'll find a group of like-minded members who care about each other in many dimensions - on these forums, in the M:tG community as a whole, and as human beings. You'll also find dick jokes and assorted vulgarity. But you won't find a single clan member (to my knowledge, and I've back-read a lot of this thread) complaining about the dick jokes and vulgarity.
Before handing down a sentence on the clan as a whole, please put this episode in context. This clan's name is Fires of Salvation. I think it's safe to assume from that alone, without even reading the intro post, that the majority of members and posters in this thread are red mages in Magic. Therefore the standard sub-forum of choice will be the competitive R/x forum. Now please head there and read some of the threads sticky'ed in that forum. They are well thought-out, articulate, logical, and scientific in nature. As an example, Hamfactorial, an FoS member, put together a brilliant piece (among many) quantifying potential draws, land drops, etc. This recent situation with Rivaltuna involved the R/x community defending its statistical, scientific approach against an argument centering entirely around anecdotal evidence at best, B.S. at worst (and, let's face it, more likely).
MTG Salvation forums have already suspended Rivaltuna. I don't know what for precisely, but I have to assume he did something wrong. He was actively trolling the R/x forums, and many members simultaneously post there and here. Naturally the controversy will spill over. I can understand flames and insults needing to be punished, but the punishment should not overreach the "crime."
This situation has escalated and feels more like the moderation/admin community wishing to "make and example" rather than addressing specific infractions.
People will always lash out against punishments that are handed out in a manner outside the normal, documented application. Most people aren't stupid. It's easy to tell when the punishment falls outside the scope of the incident.
I'm one of the newest contributors of this thread, and am technically a Tier 1 Probationary member. Part of me feels I should bow out because I don't have the "street cred" here yet. But this just doesn't feel right and I'm not one to stand idly by when something doesn't feel right.
This actually reminds me a LOT of my dorm in college. I went to a small school that didn't have fraternities. The college had "freshman housing" where there were 2 dorms dedicated to freshmen, and the rest of the campus had upper-class housing. At the end of your freshman year you submit your top 3 choices for upper-class housing and the administration filtered you all in as best they could. The house I ended up in, Rackham Court West (the origin of the "rcw" in my forum name), was the closest thing the school had to a fraternity. We were incredibly close-knit. We were a brotherhood. We'd do anything for each other. But the rest of the school also saw us as elitist. We always had more members on the school paper than any other house, so our views were what was published. We always had the greatest attendance for intramural sports events, so we always won the championships. We hung out together, we pulled pranks on other houses and the administration, and we, again, always stood up for each other.
The administration hated us. They fined the hell out of us and kicked a lot of us out of school for various things. But it was all based on jealousy. For instance, they frequently disallowed house activities solely because other houses didn't run comparable events and their members were jealous. But here's the catch - they could have started something in their houses. They also could have joined us whenever they wanted. We were so welcoming it's not even funny. If you didn't want to do what we did then you'd probably find us annoying. But if you wanted to join in, then we welcomed you with open arms.
That's very much how I see this clan. Supportive and welcoming to any like-minded forum goer. But fiercely loyal and protective.
Again, please take a step back and put this incident into context. The member who, in my opinion, caused it has been suspended and made a post saying he's joining the SEALS and won't be coming back any time soon. You've already handed out individual infractions for flaming and suspended at least one of our clan-mates (and a very visible one at that). You've posted in the clan thread asking us not to insult people anywhere on the site, whether it be in clan or elsewhere. I'd say the message has been sent and understood, and it's time to move on. Further pressing on the subject by the mod/admin team is likely to result in nothing more than a growing gap and an "us vs. them" attitude on both sides.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Check out the last comment on that link.
Hilarious.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
Every girl is crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
This goes for every clan member - please feel free to post. No matter how long you've been a member, this effects you and you have a say.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
I already tried my hand at reasoning, so I will not waste any more time trying to appeal to the administration here. It is quite obvious that we are perceived not as a threat to the community (as these preposterous allegations would have us believe) but rather as a threat to the kangaroo court that holds sway here. It is quite obvious that the many positives that we have brought to this community--in the form of the most active and quality-oriented Magic subforum in the Standard section of this site--mean absolutely nothing next to the ability of the mods to impose their will. Given the attitudes expressed through word and action toward us, I regret to say that I do not see any way that we can stay here. It is obvious that we would continue to be hawked over and pinged for every ill-chosen word. I'm not willing to live like that, nor to have the people I want to talk with kicked out of the collective for weeks at a time.
Having said this, I have to echo redthirst's concerns regarding where we choose to relocate. To be very blunt, I think the FoS site is pretty much crap. I cannot access the site from work because it is firewalled out at a gaming site (I don't know how MTGS forums is accessible as the rest of the site is not, but that's a government firewall for you). If we move to FoS, I too will be effectively gone from the clan as I work 12-hour nights and have to depend on access from work. I also feel that the forum mechanics there are vastly inferior to a vbulletin-driven community.
I am not very versed within the Magic subculture as a whole, but my suggestion would be to look for another home within an established MtG community where we can maintain the dynamic we have here. That's my other issue with the FoS site--it being external to our Magic forum creates a disconnect. Do any of you know of another MtG site where we might rebuild the Rx subforum and clan with hopes of drawing more folks who have interests in advancing the game?
It really saddens me that we have come to this. It is quite obvious that we are red mages in a meta that is under the control of mono-blue minded individuals who are never going to accept us as we are. We threaten their control of the status quo, which is obviously the only thing that means anything around here.
Wouldn't cost anything except for the domain name registration, if needed.
I've hosted forums before, and my admin style is more of an anarchic approach.
Watch my Twitch.tv stream.
Take the Ham Challenge.
It would also make the Ham Challenge just that much more special.
We've already got something like that, but if it could get past my firewall, it'd certainly be better for me.
Just a quick google search of possible sites showed these options that weren't blocked for me:
MTG Community - I know they're less strict with moderation, but the community is small.
TCG Player or mtgfanatic - no clue about moderation, but the community is larger
Pojo - no clue about moderation, but the community is huge
Any of those look like possibilities to anyone else?
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
Man, I really don't like any of these options. But if I had to pick one, MTG Community is probably the site where we'd encounter the least amount of bull****.
Like I said, I'm pretty much limited by what I can see at work since that's when I do like 90% of my posting - but if you can find a more appropriate site, then throw it out there. I'll just post on my phone if I have to.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
edit: go look at mtg vault forums. what do you think?
it's powered by vbulletin....just saiyan'.
2nd edit: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
The owners of MTG Vault Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."
Never mind. same problems we'll encounter there I'm sure...
Does this make sense to anyone else? I'm not trying to overinflate my worth or anyone else's but I would like to see the Rx forum continue to strive for excellence. I just want to know that we can step outside and safely air our opinions before addressing issues within the forum.
I think ham's offer--a site that has no other administration and will be self-policing by nature (and not tied to a gaming site such that some of us get firewalled out) is the best option for the freedom we desire.
This is well thought out, photo. I like it.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
Seriously, though...tempers (mine included) over hand-slaps aside, do we REALLY want to pull away from MtGS or just establish an accessible and non-externally moderated "room" to house the clan? I really think ham's offer gives us the best of both worlds. We should stay here and active on as the core of the Rx subforum being as our content is here and we have the greatest potential for community. We just need to take a collective pledge to utilize the rules as they exist to have the mods deal with useless/detrimental posts.
Just what I'm seeing...granted, I'm running on a few hour nap and am also trying to deal with more ex-wife induced insanity at the moment so I readily admit that I may be narrow in my vision here. I just don't want to see this clan fall apart, and I think foundation in an active Magic community is essential to that.
I can get behind this 1000000% my friend...we are of like minds here.
I do like photo's approach to this, however. We simply make our own digital tree house somewhere else but, pull from this community still, or hell, maybe even from other communities being that the official clan will technically exist else where and stay within the painfully rigid graces of the management here.
Plus, there's nothing stopping those that want to stay active here from doing so and those that want to go elsewhere from doing that.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage