We don't have leaders psh. In gay world everyone thinks they're the leader because they think they're more fierce. But truthfully if we're doing our jobs right as gays we're all always on top of things and ahead of every problem; ya know, putting our full force behind the right causes and what not?
there kraj. you happy? I've degraded myself by littering that with double entendres. Unless you meant double speak.
I'm double good today. (Didn't get much further in that book cuz I lost it :()
My question is this; do you think you were born gay, or is it a choice? I saw a bit of information similar to this a page or two back, but it was a different question.
Personally, I believe neither, but maybe in some ways both.
I believe we are, in almost all aspects of our lives, products of our environment. I, for example, have a very cruel and cynical sense of humor, something I "inherited" from my parents. That's the type of environment I had to learn to live in. I wasn't born with it. If my parants hadn't been like that, I seriously doubt I would be.
I think that every gay person, at some point in their younger years while still "impressionable," observed or heard something (it really could be a large number of things), whether it be a single event or a series of little things, that introduced the concept that two people of the same gender could have a meaningful relationship comparable to that between a man and woman. Over time, the idea blossomed.
Now, that doesn't mean everyone under the age of 8 who sees two girls kissing will become gay; there is a reason that some see that and think "wow, those they love each other, and there's nothing wrong with that" and others think "Eww..." But I don't believe there is such a thing as a "gay gene," becuase if there was, theoretically, wouldn't it have been "bred out" by now, since it would most likely be reccessive, and a good majority of gays don't reproduce? Now, I could support the idea of some sort of gene mutation that causes one to be disposed to homosexuality, similar to, oh I don't know, dwarfism.
I can tell you why my phychiatrist thinks I'm gay, but it isn't exactly applicable to the general discussion...
He thinks subconsiously I'm afraid to have relationships with women, because I don't want to risk passing my condition on to any children that may result were I to be intimate with them, so I "chose" to be gay in order to avoid the risk. Or something like that. After he told me that, I laughed so hard, I cried.
Hello everyone
Not sure if anyone remembers me, but I am responsible for starting this mess:)
(or at least partially responsible)
Just wanted to drop by to say hello and all that jazz.
Oh no! That's really unfortunate. It's actually spurred me to posting!
Sorry I've been inactive lately, life has just been devouring my soul. The school year's coming to a close, so I've got a billion papers to write, we've got no home internet, I'm still trying to land a boyfriend, and my dad's fiancee is probably going to give birth within the week. So things have been hectic.
I might get to go to New York this summer! It's terrifically exciting, especially as (watch my theatre dork credentials) Patti LuPone is currently starring in a production of Gypsy that is directed by Arthur Laurents, who wrote the show's book. It's like this freakish confluence of legends. It's also got Boyd Gaines in it, who I'm not familiar with but has won several Tony awards, and Laura Benanti, who has a Drama Desk award from being in 2002's Into the Woods revival and who I like quite a lot.
EDIT: Speaking of Gypsy, I'm utterly, irrevocably in love with the attached picture, in some creepy pathological way.
And hi to the new folks. And to Evil Homestereo, who I do remember!
Er, dimly.
That's real unfortunate aboyt Mikey. I'll miss hearing about his Rock Band exploits...
@ Tuatha: I might be going to NY this summer myself! I want to go see a production of Uncle Vanya, already bought the tickets, but I still need to work some details out (transportation, lodging, if someone's going with me and who, etc.). I'm really excited about it, though; I've never left the northwest U.S.
Hello everyone
Not sure if anyone remembers me, but I am responsible for starting this mess:)
(or at least partially responsible)
Just wanted to drop by to say hello and all that jazz.
You still exist?!?!?!?!
Well. If you want some reinduction I'm sure soooomeone around here knows the secret handshake.
I think everyone should drink cosmos and various other alcoholic beverages in honor of Mikey's departure. He's moving to Vancouver as planned and that's a great thing! I dunno. I'm kinda sad but mostly just happy that his plans are finally coming together. It's impressive!
Well. If you want some reinduction I'm sure soooomeone around here knows the secret handshake.
I think everyone should drink cosmos and various other alcoholic beverages in honor of Mikey's departure. He's moving to Vancouver as planned and that's a great thing! I dunno. I'm kinda sad but mostly just happy that his plans are finally coming together. It's impressive!
The other responsible party speaks:)
Yes I still exist, the magic scene in my town fell apart at aaround the same times school became a challenge. But now I AM FINISHED SCHOOL... for 8 months. Then grad school. Then new city. Then decent magic scene (I hope)
Until then.. I will be dropping in from time to time. Glad to see a few familiar faces:), Even gladder to see all the new ones (glad as in happy not as in Gays and Lesbians Against Defamation)
There are certain interesting differences in the neurophysiology of gay men and straight men (I don't know how great the differences are in lesbians, though I imagine they are similar); to what extent these differences are innate is questionable, since the brain does change throughout one's lifetime, but the differences are there, and cast significant doubt on the "choice" hypothesis. There are a number of other physical differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals, for instance, a lesbian's forefinger and ring finger are more likely to be of equal length than the forefinger and ring finger of a heterosexual woman.
So it's an interesting topic.
Also, hey.
The position that I take on it is that I think on the balance, sexual orientation or gender identification are not chosen. However, it could turn out that science could prove that they are. Should that turn out to be the case, then it seems that queer civil rights loses considerable traction, because we lose the "I can't help it" excuse. Even if we get what we seem to want, then opponents of queer civil rights can just claim that homosexuality or being trans is a "disorder" to be "corrected." It seems to me like queer advocates have to forge ahead with a different line of argument.
Oh that's really sad. I must say, Mikey, I have really enjoyed having you around. You're a good ally. And please, don't be too much of a stranger. You will remain sigged...
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
apparently getting a bf makes it clear that all my friends wanted to date me
Yeah thats an interesting idea... I found that having a significant other makes one infinitely more desirable to those around you.
Mind you I have dated women as often as men.... so it may be a bit different for me.
I can't seem to have any normal friendships, at least with gay men. Even though I'm dating someone and have been for three years now, all these different guys have infatuations with me... it's funny, too; where were all these guys when I was single and felt unwanted in high school? Now it's more like people only have any interest in me for my appearance. Bah. A pox on men.
I can't seem to have any normal friendships, at least with gay men. Even though I'm dating someone and have been for three years now, all these different guys have infatuations with me... it's funny, too; where were all these guys when I was single and felt unwanted in high school? Now it's more like people only have any interest in me for my appearance. Bah. A pox on men.
That seems to happen to me on the internet, but not so much otherwise.
I don't actually know many gay/bi guys that aren't basically like family, though, offline.
@causation: I think the evidence suggests that sexuality and gender identity have both genetic and epigenetic roots. Since I believe in dual inheritance theory, that makes senses.
However, Goatchunx makes an excellent point in that the freedom to be gay/trans, or what causes it, shouldn't be presented as relevant to it's justifiability. Regardless of whether or not we choose it, it just is as it's not wrong.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
<---is infactuated with Mamelon!! I use Sakura-chan to practice my flirting. Which is horrible, as she can tell you. She's my internet crush muffin. We all need one at one time or another.
<---is infactuated with Mamelon!! I use Sakura-chan to practice my flirting. Which is horrible, as she can tell you. She's my internet crush muffin. We all need one at one time or another.
So that was practice, eh? Not bad, but who said you could make me your warm-up flirting dummy?
. . . Not that I won't flouresce and accept coyly. *bats* I think you may be greatly saucy. You said you like tall tgirls, ne?
I do think that flirting - internet flirting perhaps especially - is a skill that one builds proficiency with. That is the only explanation I can imagine for some of the bad flirting that can be seen from time to time.
Mostly on AIM. It's kind of okay, though. Sometimes it ends up being cute.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
It is a lot more common online, yeah. But of the friendships I make IRL, almost all of the time, there are ulterior motives.
Appearance needn't be in the way online, at least. Not that I ever want to do long-distance again. Ah, the days.
It sucks having that problem, though. Not having dependable, stable friendships is really hard. I can at least be sure that I should never worry about someone only being interested in me for me looks.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
there kraj. you happy? I've degraded myself by littering that with double entendres. Unless you meant double speak.
I'm double good today. (Didn't get much further in that book cuz I lost it :()
Well I hope everyone has a gnodab week!
Personally, I believe neither, but maybe in some ways both.
I believe we are, in almost all aspects of our lives, products of our environment. I, for example, have a very cruel and cynical sense of humor, something I "inherited" from my parents. That's the type of environment I had to learn to live in. I wasn't born with it. If my parants hadn't been like that, I seriously doubt I would be.
I think that every gay person, at some point in their younger years while still "impressionable," observed or heard something (it really could be a large number of things), whether it be a single event or a series of little things, that introduced the concept that two people of the same gender could have a meaningful relationship comparable to that between a man and woman. Over time, the idea blossomed.
Now, that doesn't mean everyone under the age of 8 who sees two girls kissing will become gay; there is a reason that some see that and think "wow, those they love each other, and there's nothing wrong with that" and others think "Eww..." But I don't believe there is such a thing as a "gay gene," becuase if there was, theoretically, wouldn't it have been "bred out" by now, since it would most likely be reccessive, and a good majority of gays don't reproduce? Now, I could support the idea of some sort of gene mutation that causes one to be disposed to homosexuality, similar to, oh I don't know, dwarfism.
I can tell you why my phychiatrist thinks I'm gay, but it isn't exactly applicable to the general discussion...
That was out last session.
Here.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Not sure if anyone remembers me, but I am responsible for starting this mess:)
(or at least partially responsible)
Just wanted to drop by to say hello and all that jazz.
Gaymers
Sorry I've been inactive lately, life has just been devouring my soul. The school year's coming to a close, so I've got a billion papers to write, we've got no home internet, I'm still trying to land a boyfriend, and my dad's fiancee is probably going to give birth within the week. So things have been hectic.
I might get to go to New York this summer! It's terrifically exciting, especially as (watch my theatre dork credentials) Patti LuPone is currently starring in a production of Gypsy that is directed by Arthur Laurents, who wrote the show's book. It's like this freakish confluence of legends. It's also got Boyd Gaines in it, who I'm not familiar with but has won several Tony awards, and Laura Benanti, who has a Drama Desk award from being in 2002's Into the Woods revival and who I like quite a lot.
EDIT: Speaking of Gypsy, I'm utterly, irrevocably in love with the attached picture, in some creepy pathological way.
And hi to the new folks. And to Evil Homestereo, who I do remember!
Er, dimly.
@ Tuatha: I might be going to NY this summer myself! I want to go see a production of Uncle Vanya, already bought the tickets, but I still need to work some details out (transportation, lodging, if someone's going with me and who, etc.). I'm really excited about it, though; I've never left the northwest U.S.
You still exist?!?!?!?!
Well. If you want some reinduction I'm sure soooomeone around here knows the secret handshake.
I think everyone should drink cosmos and various other alcoholic beverages in honor of Mikey's departure. He's moving to Vancouver as planned and that's a great thing! I dunno. I'm kinda sad but mostly just happy that his plans are finally coming together. It's impressive!
The other responsible party speaks:)
Yes I still exist, the magic scene in my town fell apart at aaround the same times school became a challenge. But now I AM FINISHED SCHOOL... for 8 months. Then grad school. Then new city. Then decent magic scene (I hope)
Until then.. I will be dropping in from time to time. Glad to see a few familiar faces:), Even gladder to see all the new ones (glad as in happy not as in Gays and Lesbians Against Defamation)
Gaymers
Huh.
What else has the church told me that I should rethink
heh.
Gaymers
Fortunately I'll never lay with a man the same way as with a woman
Besides being an atheist my six bibles are all dust fodder on the shelf since long ago.
Gaymers
The position that I take on it is that I think on the balance, sexual orientation or gender identification are not chosen. However, it could turn out that science could prove that they are. Should that turn out to be the case, then it seems that queer civil rights loses considerable traction, because we lose the "I can't help it" excuse. Even if we get what we seem to want, then opponents of queer civil rights can just claim that homosexuality or being trans is a "disorder" to be "corrected." It seems to me like queer advocates have to forge ahead with a different line of argument.
Interestingly, it turns out that 73% of those who are Chaotic Good are bisexual.
Oh that's really sad. I must say, Mikey, I have really enjoyed having you around. You're a good ally. And please, don't be too much of a stranger. You will remain sigged...
*sniff*
Leviticus 18:22 I believe...
Oh, come on. You know the Bible doesn't say "don't penetrate a man's ******." The word "lay" is meant to signify carnal action as it were.
Cheers, my humanist brother! I was thinking of getting a Bible, actually. It's quite a useful tool.
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
That's funny and awkward at the same time.
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
apparently getting a bf makes it clear that all my friends wanted to date me
Yeah thats an interesting idea... I found that having a significant other makes one infinitely more desirable to those around you.
Mind you I have dated women as often as men.... so it may be a bit different for me.
Gaymers
I can't seem to have any normal friendships, at least with gay men. Even though I'm dating someone and have been for three years now, all these different guys have infatuations with me... it's funny, too; where were all these guys when I was single and felt unwanted in high school? Now it's more like people only have any interest in me for my appearance. Bah. A pox on men.
That seems to happen to me on the internet, but not so much otherwise.
I don't actually know many gay/bi guys that aren't basically like family, though, offline.
@causation: I think the evidence suggests that sexuality and gender identity have both genetic and epigenetic roots. Since I believe in dual inheritance theory, that makes senses.
However, Goatchunx makes an excellent point in that the freedom to be gay/trans, or what causes it, shouldn't be presented as relevant to it's justifiability. Regardless of whether or not we choose it, it just is as it's not wrong.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
Gaymers | Magic Coffeehouse | Little Jar of Mamelon | Natural 20
. . . Not that I won't flouresce and accept coyly. *bats* I think you may be greatly saucy. You said you like tall tgirls, ne?
I do think that flirting - internet flirting perhaps especially - is a skill that one builds proficiency with. That is the only explanation I can imagine for some of the bad flirting that can be seen from time to time.
Mostly on AIM. It's kind of okay, though. Sometimes it ends up being cute.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
Gaymers | Magic Coffeehouse | Little Jar of Mamelon | Natural 20
It is a lot more common online, yeah. But of the friendships I make IRL, almost all of the time, there are ulterior motives.
It sucks having that problem, though. Not having dependable, stable friendships is really hard. I can at least be sure that I should never worry about someone only being interested in me for me looks.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
Gaymers | Magic Coffeehouse | Little Jar of Mamelon | Natural 20
I guess that means I look imperious and metallic.