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BBB Clan Contest 1 of 2008 BBB
The submissions are: Conquer - House Dimir Animate Dead - the Cult of Rakdos Necropotence - Clan Mono-Black Azimaet Drake - 8th -the Izzet Clickslither - 4th - the Greek Alliance Bogarden Hellkite - 6th - the Simic Combine Mutavault - 5th -R&D Acid Rain - 7th -the Called Sylvok Explorer- 8th -Vagary
This week's vote is: In the Grand Scheme of all things Magic:the Gathering, which of these cards is a weak link?
The official vote for [Clan Mono-Black] will be decided by a vote of the Members. In the case of a tye, I get to cast the defining ballot.
I'm updateing the link in my sig right now. FINALLY thread 2. And with it some things to talk about. First up is the precons finally are up and black got one of the worst ones. Check it out:
Assassinate, bottle gnomes, and grave digger with mortivore being the 2nd rare. The best cards in it are cruel edict, terror, tutor, consume spirit, and vampire bats. Red has beacon, incinerate, spark elemental, pyrexian vault, brogdan firefiend, and ofcourse kamahl, white seems to suck as well, blue gets tidings, denizen of the deep, and a few other goodies, green hurricane, blanchwood armor, and over run. Again we're screwed by 10th.
Credit to hunter since most of this I got off his lorwyn compiled info thread:
- Our race is boggarts, their kinda like polterguiest but if you name them they become demons.
- Their is a B/G and B/ precon, the B/ named boggarts feast, the B/ named elvish predators.*
- All colors will have elementals.
- This will be the first set under MaRo's "new color pie" changes he talked about last month.
We might be shareing boggart with red, meaning the mischievous spirits would be red, the harmful ones black. But nothing else has been released, not even the set mechanics.
Great name for a new thread Svogthir. They really did undermine black in Xth, hope that Korlash and Damnation can keep the color afloat instead of relegating it back to support.
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@juggles
Right. The precon is just a waste of cardboard.
On the Lorwyn thing, I believe that the boggarts will be the black race, while the Fomori giants make up the red one, at least so is speculated in the other thread. Furthermore, all colors should be getting elemental creatures. Hoping for some juicy black ones there.
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S***, i feel like an idiot posting on the older thread. Can retire it already?
BTW: Svogthir :Not to be fussy but can you sort of retype the header and check for grammer errors? Cause it looks very sloppy with spelling errors all over it...
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
Here's hoping Lorwyn won't mix up the tribes, 'cause I'm in a playing group that plays only mono-colored. Therefore, mixing it all up would bring up some problems
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I'm so excited that black finally is getting something else than zombies!
Hey! Someone could take offense to that!
Joking aside, I think Lorwyn will bring new "iconic" races to all colors, and that's a good thing. Even if green gets elves, those have horns on their head and might be different from the norm.
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In regards to the black Xth precon, it could have been worse, just look at the 9th edition one...
(Boggarts are going to kick ass, you heard it hear first!)
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@ zombiemachine: Boggarts with any lick will be back since from their desciption they seem black (destructive and potentally dangerous but also in some ways helpful. In other words black). And elemental is one of my favorite creature types since what is an elemental if not a pure form of something, and a pure elemental of black mana should be rather cool (please wizards not another desecration elemental).
@ Svogthir: Thank you, I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. Also 9th precons where all bad, no way around it.
@ Black Dawn: Looks a little toony but still cool looking, acceptable for an imp, however they had better not make the demons look that toony.
hey everyone, sorry i havent been here for a while, i still want to be a member, but i work at a summer camp and i have no access to a computer. i havent seen any of the Xth cards yet, but from the sounds of it, i dont think im going to like it.
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Juggles: Rimebound Dead is actually pretty good, as far as Coldsnap cards go ;). Good cheap creatures is what we should be getting. Too bad "snow-covered" sucks. You know when you see a stray shooting star, you can make a wish, but if you tell someone it won't come true? In secret I wished on one that WotC would planeshift Savannah Lions to black in [PC]. Unfortunatly, no dice...
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hey everyone, sorry i havent been here for a while, i still want to be a member, but i work at a summer camp and i have no access to a computer. i havent seen any of the Xth cards yet, but from the sounds of it, i dont think im going to like it.
Don't look, it's to horrible. There's like 3 cards worth playing, maybe 4, and that's it.
EDIT: Svogthir, to make rimebound dead anything more than a 1/1 I have to run snow, and I for one think snow is vastly over rated. And we all wish for thing's like that, hell when time shifted was leaked, all I asked for was carnophage.
Hey! Someone could take offense to that!
Joking aside, I think Lorwyn will bring new "iconic" races to all colors, and that's a good thing. Even if green gets elves, those have horns on their head and might be different from the norm.
It's not like I wouldn't like zombies, but wizards is overdoing the whole zombie thing in my opinion. I mean, look at it: about 70% of black creatures are zombies, 20% horrors (sometimes I get the feeling every creature they can't come up with a creature type becomes a horror). The 10% left are dedicated to all the other creatures (imps, demons and so on).
BTW: why isn't "ghoul" a creature type itself? They seem like some kind of elite-zombie to me, so they could have at least added it as a subtype in their race/class model (zombie, ghoul).
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EDIT: Svogthir, to make rimebound dead anything more than a 1/1 I have to run snow, and I for one think snow is vastly over rated. And we all wish for thing's like that, hell when time shifted was leaked, all I asked for was carnophage.
Actually, if you play monoblack, there's no difference if you're using snow or normal swamps, and if you play aggro, Rimebound dead can be a pretty nasty critter. Korlash control plays Tendrils of corruption that allows regeneration, so the Rimebound dead can hold off a massive Korlash or Chronicler all day long unless they waste a Damnation on it. The same is true for Tarmogoyf and a plethora of decks that rely on burn as removal. I'm not saying he's a house, but a decent first round drop for sure.
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Actually, if you play monoblack, there's no difference if you're using snow or normal swamps, and if you play aggro, Rimebound dead can be a pretty nasty critter. Korlash control plays Tendrils of corruption that allows regeneration, so the Rimebound dead can hold off a massive Korlash or Chronicler all day long unless they waste a Damnation on it. The same is true for Tarmogoyf and a plethora of decks that rely on burn as removal. I'm not saying he's a house, but a decent first round drop for sure.
The same could almost be said for Will-o'-the-Wisp, except it is a 0/1 instead of a 1/1, but it has flying. Also Last Gasp still exists, and there is no regenerating from that.
But really almost any one drop in black sees play (rusalka, darkblast, hell I even played lose hope). Really aslong as it does something useful it will see play.
@ Black Dawn: Realistically should zombies have a mind of their own to be able to asign rank, give orders, ect? I never really thought of ghouls as zombies since zombies tend to be mindless minions, an endless army which recrutes all it slays, ghouls rouge corpses acting on little more than aimless impulse. But when it comes down to it, they are basically the same.
Agreed. Although i have to say that still Plagued Rusalka and Mindlash Slivers are better choice for one drops...
Dont't forget about rats and skeletons. They are posible tribes too. Anyway, isn't a ghoul an undead that feeds on other undeads? So their creature type should be Zombie Cannibal?
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
Murderdolls: I would like to invite you to put in a few good posts before we make you an offical friend. We have, in past, had people ask for friendship and never return, so if you continue to be active, you can obtain frienship status.
In other news, do any of you wan't to participate in the next clan games? If so we need to have someone be the clan Game Master.
Anyway, isn't a ghoul an undead that feeds on other undeads? So their creature type should be Zombie Cannibal?
No. This is a misconception brought by games such as D&D and random fantasy literature. Ghouls was the term given to living people suffering from a sinister disease related to anthropophagy (cannibalism). It is uncertain if many of the recorded cases had any evidence of being a mental disease, though. The difference between ghouls and cannibals is that ghouls devour the flesh raw but only after being burried/decomposed, if I recall correctly.
I had a book about that stuff at home and if I manage to find it, I'll post some documented cases.
That said, the term ghoul was also used to describe anything ghoulish and could also relate to ugly men, undead, phantasms and monsters.
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It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
If so we need to have someone be the clan Game Master.
A Clan Rep, which you guys should already have, I presume?
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Murderdolls: I would like to invite you to put in a few good posts before we make you an offical friend. We have, in past, had people ask for friendship and never return, so if you continue to be active, you can obtain frienship status.
Haha... I was just thinking of asking to be un-friended from this clan on the basis of activity, or more aptly lack thereof.
It would be irresponsible for me to have such a title and contribute little, if anything to this clan and its discussions. (Too much Magiccc......)
Anyway, I love what you've done with the first post (haha, Hyppie!) and the title. Good luck with the clan.
To end this post, it's been great reading your threads, but I haven't been pulling my weight as a friend. Sorry.
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
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[Clan Mono-Black] Welcome All Black Mages
The submissions are:
Conquer - House Dimir
Animate Dead - the Cult of Rakdos
Necropotence - Clan Mono-Black
Azimaet Drake- 8th -the IzzetClickslither- 4th - the Greek AllianceBogarden Hellkite- 6th - the Simic CombineMutavault- 5th -R&DAcid Rain- 7th -the CalledSylvok Explorer- 8th -VagaryThis week's vote is: In the Grand Scheme of all things Magic:the Gathering, which of these cards is a weak link?
The official vote for [Clan Mono-Black] will be decided by a vote of the Members. In the case of a tye, I get to cast the defining ballot.
17 Swamp
-Creatures-
2 Vampire Bats
1 Drudge Skeletons
1 Thrull Surgeon
1 Looming Shade
2 Severed Legion
1 Dross Crocodile
1 Gravedigger
1 Mortivore
1 Mass of Ghouls
1 Ascendant Evincar
1 Bottle Gnomes
1 Unholy Strength
1 Cruel Edict
1 Terror
1 Assassinate
2 Mind Rot
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Essence Drain
1 Consume Spirit
1 Demon's Horn
Assassinate, bottle gnomes, and grave digger with mortivore being the 2nd rare. The best cards in it are cruel edict, terror, tutor, consume spirit, and vampire bats. Red has beacon, incinerate, spark elemental, pyrexian vault, brogdan firefiend, and ofcourse kamahl, white seems to suck as well, blue gets tidings, denizen of the deep, and a few other goodies, green hurricane, blanchwood armor, and over run. Again we're screwed by 10th.
Credit to hunter since most of this I got off his lorwyn compiled info thread:
- Our race is boggarts, their kinda like polterguiest but if you name them they become demons.
- Their is a B/G and B/ precon, the B/ named boggarts feast, the B/ named elvish predators.*
- All colors will have elementals.
- This will be the first set under MaRo's "new color pie" changes he talked about last month.
We might be shareing boggart with red, meaning the mischievous spirits would be red, the harmful ones black. But nothing else has been released, not even the set mechanics.
*= Can some one teach me to do guild mana tags?
Friend me up there if that's ok.
@juggles
Right. The precon is just a waste of cardboard.
On the Lorwyn thing, I believe that the boggarts will be the black race, while the Fomori giants make up the red one, at least so is speculated in the other thread. Furthermore, all colors should be getting elemental creatures. Hoping for some juicy black ones there.
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S***, i feel like an idiot posting on the older thread. Can retire it already?
BTW: Svogthir :Not to be fussy but can you sort of retype the header and check for grammer errors? Cause it looks very sloppy with spelling errors all over it...
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I'm so excited that black finally is getting something else than zombies!
Wise words:
Hey! Someone could take offense to that!
Joking aside, I think Lorwyn will bring new "iconic" races to all colors, and that's a good thing. Even if green gets elves, those have horns on their head and might be different from the norm.
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(Boggarts are going to kick ass, you heard it hear first!)
@ Svogthir: Thank you, I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. Also 9th precons where all bad, no way around it.
@ Black Dawn: Looks a little toony but still cool looking, acceptable for an imp, however they had better not make the demons look that toony.
I keep trying to find good black crds in coldsnap but the best I find is Haakon, Stromglad Scourge, Deathmark and Soul Spike. The set just sucks for us.
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Juggles: Rimebound Dead is actually pretty good, as far as Coldsnap cards go ;). Good cheap creatures is what we should be getting. Too bad "snow-covered" sucks. You know when you see a stray shooting star, you can make a wish, but if you tell someone it won't come true? In secret I wished on one that WotC would planeshift Savannah Lions to black in [PC]. Unfortunatly, no dice...
Don't look, it's to horrible. There's like 3 cards worth playing, maybe 4, and that's it.
EDIT: Svogthir, to make rimebound dead anything more than a 1/1 I have to run snow, and I for one think snow is vastly over rated. And we all wish for thing's like that, hell when time shifted was leaked, all I asked for was carnophage.
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As a member of house dimir you probably feel double shafted. Seeing both your colors take hits like that must be suck hard.
Oh and I forgot Stormgald Crusader, also a goody from Coldsnap, bringing the count to 4 good black cards in the set.
It's not like I wouldn't like zombies, but wizards is overdoing the whole zombie thing in my opinion. I mean, look at it: about 70% of black creatures are zombies, 20% horrors (sometimes I get the feeling every creature they can't come up with a creature type becomes a horror). The 10% left are dedicated to all the other creatures (imps, demons and so on).
BTW: why isn't "ghoul" a creature type itself? They seem like some kind of elite-zombie to me, so they could have at least added it as a subtype in their race/class model (zombie, ghoul).
Wise words:
Actually, if you play monoblack, there's no difference if you're using snow or normal swamps, and if you play aggro, Rimebound dead can be a pretty nasty critter. Korlash control plays Tendrils of corruption that allows regeneration, so the Rimebound dead can hold off a massive Korlash or Chronicler all day long unless they waste a Damnation on it. The same is true for Tarmogoyf and a plethora of decks that rely on burn as removal. I'm not saying he's a house, but a decent first round drop for sure.
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The same could almost be said for Will-o'-the-Wisp, except it is a 0/1 instead of a 1/1, but it has flying. Also Last Gasp still exists, and there is no regenerating from that.
But really almost any one drop in black sees play (rusalka, darkblast, hell I even played lose hope). Really aslong as it does something useful it will see play.
@ Black Dawn: Realistically should zombies have a mind of their own to be able to asign rank, give orders, ect? I never really thought of ghouls as zombies since zombies tend to be mindless minions, an endless army which recrutes all it slays, ghouls rouge corpses acting on little more than aimless impulse. But when it comes down to it, they are basically the same.
Dont't forget about rats and skeletons. They are posible tribes too. Anyway, isn't a ghoul an undead that feeds on other undeads? So their creature type should be Zombie Cannibal?
The only colour with a 99/99
Signature by Spongy Pengwin
UBR: Sedris
In other news, do any of you wan't to participate in the next clan games? If so we need to have someone be the clan Game Master.
No. This is a misconception brought by games such as D&D and random fantasy literature. Ghouls was the term given to living people suffering from a sinister disease related to anthropophagy (cannibalism). It is uncertain if many of the recorded cases had any evidence of being a mental disease, though. The difference between ghouls and cannibals is that ghouls devour the flesh raw but only after being burried/decomposed, if I recall correctly.
I had a book about that stuff at home and if I manage to find it, I'll post some documented cases.
That said, the term ghoul was also used to describe anything ghoulish and could also relate to ugly men, undead, phantasms and monsters.
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What do we need to do as games master?
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Haha... I was just thinking of asking to be un-friended from this clan on the basis of activity, or more aptly lack thereof.
It would be irresponsible for me to have such a title and contribute little, if anything to this clan and its discussions. (Too much Magiccc......)
Anyway, I love what you've done with the first post (haha, Hyppie!) and the title. Good luck with the clan.
To end this post, it's been great reading your threads, but I haven't been pulling my weight as a friend. Sorry.
The only colour with a 99/99
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