I was playing Guild Wars and they had a rather...interesting April Fools joke. It seems that in certain places characters become the opposite sex! I swear I wanna rape my Necro as a dude. He's hot!
i like the girl version better. perhaps that's because hair hides some of her creepy-looking face.
I love the pranks facebook has pulled..Ohio State and Florida deciding to not play the final game, LOLOLLOLOL. Oh, and two of my non-existant oxen died crossing a ford.
i'm in a better mood lately...evvverryone was gone friday night/most of saturday, so that was nice. and now alicia's working, so i get more quiet time. wooooo!
it stormed like crazy here yesterday, and we almost had tornadoes. cool.
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*lol* Hey! I choose the Rebecca Romijn face. Her hair covers up her scar pattern, which is really just a cool looking facial tattoo. Necromancers have the best faces in GW(except for the Asian looking, bun-headed Monks). Dang...I wish I could record video. The female Necro dance is the dance from Thriller. The male Necro dance is just some headbanging and thrashing.
I was playing Guild Wars and they had a rather...interesting April Fools joke. It seems that in certain places characters become the opposite sex! I swear I wanna rape my Necro as a dude. He's hot!
No means no, Bitsy!
That is a funny prank, though. I used to like that belt of changing gender in Baldur's Gate . . . I'd always find it and play around with it.
I wish those existed in real life.
When did you start playing? I used to have a red-headed female Mesmer named Ariel Magdali. But I didn't really play for all that long.
I like the male Monks. They're cute. And I think the female Elementalists look a bit obnoxious.
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
I'm something of a psychological masochist. I enjoy feeling melancholic, as I feel it is more natural to me than cheerfulness. Songs that are sad resonate to me on a pretty deep level, unlike happy songs. It's not to make me feel better, but rather just to indulge myself in the sorrowfulness.
I rarely listen to happy sounding music, even when it isn't shallow pop music. The Cure, for example, has an album for every mood, but I tend to listen to the Seventeen Seconds-Faith-Pornography type music over their more popular music. It just sounds better to me. I guess, for me, beauty is dolorous.
Im the hopeless optimist, happy go lucky kinda guy and I like to be surrounded by things that put me in a positive enviornment.
I can understand listening to depressing music when your down, kind of a therepy of listening to someone whos going through the same thing as you. its like gaining the empathy of a friend however wallowing in your own self pity makes for a really bad day. I try to mix it up alittle when im down and make a play list of angst ridden emo songs to help me really put words to what im feeling, then some good ole' "you will survive! hey, hey..."
Oh and that reminds me... whats up with this entire site being anti-mainstream music. more threads i read im getting the feeling that the majority of this site just hates anything thats popular. I love pop music, despite "selling out" or "manufactured" music, its still music and it doesnt make it bad. Everyone has there own tastes but why all the pop hate.
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Oh and that reminds me... whats up with this entire site being anti-mainstream music. more threads i read im getting the feeling that the majority of this site just hates anything thats popular. I love pop music, despite "selling out" or "manufactured" music, its still music and it doesnt make it bad. Everyone has there own tastes but why all the pop hate.
Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
Oh and that reminds me... whats up with this entire site being anti-mainstream music. more threads i read im getting the feeling that the majority of this site just hates anything thats popular. I love pop music, despite "selling out" or "manufactured" music, its still music and it doesnt make it bad. Everyone has there own tastes but why all the pop hate.
We talked about this in my music class. Actually most of the mainstream pop music today IS manufactured, in that it's generally in the same key, has the same dynamics, etc. etc. It's not interesting to listen to, at least from my point of view. I do like the occasional song, but eventually it gets overplayed and not worth listening to anymore.
Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
Agreed. the dancing on treadmills part made me laugh, hahaha. But agreed, nonetheless.
I listen to what I like, regardless of what genre it is, for the most part. I tend to stay away from pop music, because i find it boring and repetitive. However, my musical tastes range from heavy metal to a few jazz songs, from the random country song to classic rock to celtic music. I try to stay open to new songs, until i've heard them all the way through once or twice. If I don't like it after the second time i've heard it, then chances are i'll never like it, and i don't listen to it again.
Just to throw this in there, some of my favorite bands are Blue October, Pink Floyd, Train, Nickelback, and the Foo Fighters. Artists include Ben Folds [and BFF], Mike Doughty, and Sheryl Crow.
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Yes. And I think it may also operate on the assumption that any of these intangible qualities are somehow determined by having a ****** or ***** - for instance, that being innocent and idolized are "naturally" eminent characteristics of having a ******.
I will say that even though I find the concept of ***** envy, as it is traditionally presented, to be very fallacious, the fundamental dilemma is interesting. The theory being that the girl with ***** envy recognizes the ***** as something she either had or should have, and covets it. That strikes a certain chord with me; I think much of how gender is defined is by arbitrarily dividing up certain traits, traits that are actually universally applical and beneficial, between two different gender categories. For example, I have heard it said that "men are intelligent, but women are wise." If it is delegated to a female to be "not intelligent, but wise," then it follows reason that she should eventually wish to manifest her own intelligence which is disclaimed in her. And, logically, this would appear as wishing to manifest her own masculinity, as so far as she has been impressed, masculinity and intelligence are in some way vitally linked.
I think that makes sense; many homosexual guys I know liked to express a feminine persona, especially in youth, because it allowed an avenue to express their sexually identity which is typically associated with the female image.
Indeed.
I use the term "***** envy" with some amusement, because I think it's background in reasoning is along the same lines of the prominent eugenics contemporary to Freud. Most people, even great people, are, after all, a product of their time. Though I should say I take a rather dim view of psychology.
I don't, necessarily. In fact, I think many men find that idea repugnant, depending on character.
Keep in mind that I don't necessarily mean a sexual attraction, but rather a basis of identity and/or interpersonal relationships with other people. I think the only exception in that case is the mother-hating, misogynist homosexual "frotter," as it were. There aren't too many men so obsessed with a hypermasculine identity that they want no source of femininity in their lives whatsoever.
Perhaps. Also, it may be noted that this is the only kind of power that has classically been permitted to women; "subtle" power, operating via careful manipulation of tact, signals, and emotional and sexual triggers. Influencing events in an indirect fashion is usually seen as "womanly" in many traditional cultural norms.
Yep, I think in particular the yin-yang dichotomy follows this trend, with active-masculine forces and passive-feminine forces being the most apparent. It's interesting how we can reject the scientific premises of, say, geocentricism or what have you in modern times, but some ideas seem to be so ingrained in us that we cling to them despite evidence to the contrary. I think that may be related to the human need to describe things in a definitive, absolute way. I think this leads many to understand phenomena categorized with such methods as being clean-cut and black-and-white as the language they use to describe those phenomena in their minds is. In nature and in particular with human individuals, there is a certain chaos of variation that makes such thinking often problematic if it cannot be adapted (and if it can, it may validate the form of thinking as being overall useful or efficient). It seems that most of the world's bigots and prejudiced thinkers are the ones that are incapable of adapting in this way.
Exactly. As I think I said once before, I see heroism and villainy as being the elemental threads of the male social fabric.
In this instance I think it is something of an aspiration than an actual state. Many homosexual men recoil from assumptions that they may be effeminate in any way, citing that it makes use of stereotypes instead of an actual empirical basis. I think if we examine the internal motivations we find a very telling consistency of either sexism or a past of being tormented (perhaps by other children for a perceived sexual orientation) in which the feminine develops negative associations. That being the case, I think it would be wiser for us to not validate such "stereotypes" in any manner, rather than taking on a sort of "comparative originality."
Ah, yes. I think, especially in our culture, that masculinity is idealistically elevated into a light reminiscent of the mythical. Femininity seems to be perceived as a kind of natural default, and that masculinity must be something that is achieved, worked on, developed. I think it's given for females to be more androgynous, and that there is some band of qualities and behaviors that are perceived as being neutral, equally balanced between the genders. Moreover, it is perhaps becoming more and more acceptable for people, even women, to want to achieve the goal of masculinity, but not, however, perceived as acceptable for people to settle into the less power-oriented state of being feminine or just unmasculine.
And the reason for this is, I think, that many things labeled "feminine" are very negative or are at least not very collaborative towards a mature personality.
It may also stem from a very basic survival instinct of a preference of strength to weakness. The taunting, cruel nature of children can be easily understood as a method of tempering and culling out weakness.
Yes, very much so. It is as though most people intuit a kind of linear sympathy between different apparent forms of diametry. If there is an opposite relationships between male and female bodies (ignoring, of course, the features that they have in common!), it is assumed that this is a physical manfiestation of an equally distinct psychological diametric opposition, and so forth, as if all of this bundle is necessarily part of some mystical supertype. As you say, we tend to simplify matters into digital extremes, instead of viewing things as having nuanced, complex relationships. We tend to project, also as you have said, what we see in ourselves as being masculine or feminine onto others, and assume it as a rule. We hinge our criteria for this projection on that which is most observable, which is physiological similarity. There is a kind of assumed biological determinism because of this, supposing that all we happen to observe as being "masculine" or "feminine" traits just go together, into some kind of family, by nature. And moreover, that having a characterisic of physiology must be a necessary quality owed to being part of either of these families.
You think perhaps humanity needs a paradigm shift?
I think the problem with the whole thing is that there is some biological basis for why the sexes display particular gender traits that delineates a norm in many cases. Seeing evidence of some of those traits having a biological basis seems to often validate the rest of the drivel that is associated with them out of turn or without founding.
I think we would be best served by examining why there are exceptions to our rules instead of finding new ways to reword our rules, particularly if those rewording include a subset of "abnormal" individuals.
Not surprising. I find contemplating sadness to be very cathartic, and its feels meditative to me in some fashion. Perhaps, at the very least, the melancholic often seems to be much closer to one's sphere of understanding
I have heard that our perception of reality is the most accurate when we are depressed, which is I must say, pretty depressing. I think depression encourages some degree of examining ourselves and the world candidly, but it certainly falls into the other extreme of excessive negativity and pessimism.
Im the hopeless optimist, happy go lucky kinda guy and I like to be surrounded by things that put me in a positive enviornment.
I can understand listening to depressing music when your down, kind of a therepy of listening to someone whos going through the same thing as you. its like gaining the empathy of a friend however wallowing in your own self pity makes for a really bad day. I try to mix it up alittle when im down and make a play list of angst ridden emo songs to help me really put words to what im feeling, then some good ole' "you will survive! hey, hey..."
Oh and that reminds me... whats up with this entire site being anti-mainstream music. more threads i read im getting the feeling that the majority of this site just hates anything thats popular. I love pop music, despite "selling out" or "manufactured" music, its still music and it doesnt make it bad. Everyone has there own tastes but why all the pop hate.
Well, I would question your association between "pop music" and "mainstream music." Certainly a lot of pop music is mainstream music, but all genres of music have some degree of a mainstream quality which is what makes them genres (and those who are pre-mainstream are not appropriately categorized into an actual genre in this sense, although they will invariably become so at a later point or cease altogether).
As such I'll address this in two parts: pop music and mainstream music.
Pop music is often characterized as being happy, with upbeat instrumentation and mostly saccharine or superficial lyrics. I don't specifically hate this kind of music personally, and if it happens to be playing I'll probably enjoy listening to it (with numerous exceptions due to some music just being bad, of course, such as in the case of the mind-rending stuff that Old Navy tends to play in its stores... gah). But am I going to explicitly pick up a CD of Christina Aguilera and listen to her? Probably not, because my musical preferences are otherwise and I just tend to enjoy those other types of music more. Keep in mind that I choose Christina as an example because in a general sense it can be said that she is quite talented. Someone like Britney Spears, by comparison, is noxious because the music is superficial and poor.
As for mainstream music, this category is so broad that I find it foolish to condemn it rashly, which it often is by anti-conformist types. I think the reason that many music snobs have critical views of mainstream music has much less to do with their underground band suddenly "selling out" once it became mainstream and is almost entirely based on the fact that as soon as anything ever becomes popular, more idiots have access to it. And some degree of those idiots will become "inspired" by this new popular thing and endeavor to create things on the basis of this inspiration, thereby attracting more idiot followers. I think a lot of people resent the degradation that follows this trend. Someone might at first identify as, for example, emo, but then be repulsed by the flurry of stupid people and music that label themselves "emo" that follows it becoming popular such that they find the label no longer appropriate because it has been hijacked. Having to abandon your own identity might make some people reasonably upset. That said, mainstream music isn't necessarily good or bad because it is mainstream... the quality of something does not change on the basis of the quality of people that appreciate that, nor the level of appreciation that they have to it with respect to what it actually addresses. However, as a general rule, I find that I tend to personally disagree with the public as to what kind of music is good music and so have a slight bias against the popular simply because there is so often a discrepancy. There are some bands that have some really popular music, and while not always, it is often the case that I much prefer their non-popular, obscure music. That is, of course, limited to within the band itself, and obscure music is, like popular music, largely crap. You have to be able to discern things in specific circumstances rather than use generalizations, I think.
Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
I concur. Anti-conformism is an ironic philosophy because it is inherently contradictory and self-defeating... if conforming is bad, why would you wish to spread ideals of not conforming when that leads to generally conforming according to a different set of criteria...? It is an entirely different but completely pertinent example of "comparative originality" which is not, in fact, very original at all.
Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
Hee hee. I think I'm sort of "equal opportunity" too, but in the other direction. I tend to like any and all kinds of music, or whatever it may be, that happen to tickle my fancy. I rarely care about genre, popularity, or the questionable nature of the artist's personality or integrity. I listen to everything from show-tunes to anime openings to angsty girlie bands to j-rock to pop opera, and I am utterly unapologetic about it.
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Keep in mind that I don't necessarily mean a sexual attraction, but rather a basis of identity and/or interpersonal relationships with other people. I think the only exception in that case is the mother-hating, misogynist homosexual "frotter," as it were. There aren't too many men so obsessed with a hypermasculine identity that they want no source of femininity in their lives whatsoever.
Oh, I understand, but I still disagree, because it appears you are making a blanket statement about a trait that someone has if he is a man, when being a man may or may not really lead to having that trait. Unless, of course, you are saying that all people wish for this kind of relationship, only in the case of men it tends to manifest itself through demonstrations of power. I do think there is some truth to the notion that yielding control has appeal to everyone, as can seizing control at times. Acting upon another person, and letting another person act upon you, are the very basic components of interaction, and I think that in some way the sex act expresses this, as it is very much a give-and-take exchange of actions upon each other. Yielding to another's actions may be as simple as being taken care of, comforted, held, kissed, etc, but in some cases it may be manifested as controlled or even abused, depending on how the person in question views it. And with most men, perhaps, the seductress-seduced relationship may seem to be the form of this dynamic that is most plausible or acceptable, at least in which a man can be in the "passive" part. It may be because it one of the only really acceptable ways in which a man can be "passive."
But I don't think wanting to yield to such an advance is at all particular to being male or masculine, because I perceive it in women, too.
Yep, I think in particular the yin-yang dichotomy follows this trend, with active-masculine forces and passive-feminine forces being the most apparent. It's interesting how we can reject the scientific premises of, say, geocentricism or what have you in modern times, but some ideas seem to be so ingrained in us that we cling to them despite evidence to the contrary. I think that may be related to the human need to describe things in a definitive, absolute way. I think this leads many to understand phenomena categorized with such methods as being clean-cut and black-and-white as the language they use to describe those phenomena in their minds is. In nature and in particular with human individuals, there is a certain chaos of variation that makes such thinking often problematic if it cannot be adapted (and if it can, it may validate the form of thinking as being overall useful or efficient). It seems that most of the world's bigots and prejudiced thinkers are the ones that are incapable of adapting in this way.
I've heard it said that it's because people tend to understand things better when they see them in terms of specifics; thus, most people look at specific situations and intuit a relationship of scale between that situation and more general truths. Gender ideals appear somewhat inured to insight as to how ridiculous or ideas can sometimes be, and I think that, at least in some way, this is owed to how nebulous and abstract gender even is. I think that much of what comprises gender is aesthetic, and what appears masculine or feminine to some people will only be met with agreement by people who are, at least in part, beholden to the same fundamental aesthetic. Surely there is some aspect of gender that is "objective," insitinctual - but what part that is is hard to say, because bundle as a whole is hard to define in any comprehensive way.
In this instance I think it is something of an aspiration than an actual state.
Well, yes, because the intention of my description was that the typical male socialization process teaches them that it is more appropriate for males to be "heroes" or "villains," to use literary comparisons, because these are active characters who wield literal power. The only alternative is to be a victim or a side character, which are thought to be feminine roles. As such, being male does not necessarily make you into this kind of person - but chances are, people would have you try.
Many homosexual men recoil from assumptions that they may be effeminate in any way, citing that it makes use of stereotypes instead of an actual empirical basis. I think if we examine the internal motivations we find a very telling consistency of either sexism or a past of being tormented (perhaps by other children for a perceived sexual orientation) in which the feminine develops negative associations. That being the case, I think it would be wiser for us to not validate such "stereotypes" in any manner, rather than taking on a sort of "comparative originality."
I agree.
And the reason for this is, I think, that many things labeled "feminine" are very negative or are at least not very collaborative towards a mature personality.
Yes. I think much of how femininity is traditionally defined is in a mysoginistic way. The very fact that weakness is associated with femininity, despite the truth that women generally have their own strengths, is telling, I think.
I think the problem with the whole thing is that there is some biological basis for why the sexes display particular gender traits that delineates a norm in many cases. Seeing evidence of some of those traits having a biological basis seems to often validate the rest of the drivel that is associated with them out of turn or without founding.
Very much so! It's hard to tell where the objective truth of gender ends and the subjective imputations begin. My belief is that the first step is to just drop trying to force onto others what we perceive to be behavior appropriate for a certain gender. If people were allowed to behave and define their personalities by going with their nature, then it'd surely be easier to see what the inherent tendencies are among groups of men and women really are.
I think we would be best served by examining why there are exceptions to our rules instead of finding new ways to reword our rules, particularly if those rewording include a subset of "abnormal" individuals.
I hear that. I do think the fact that there are exceptions to our ideas about gender reveals something about the consistency of these ideas. However, the tendency appears to be to just tweak the norms and the ideals, rather than abolish them and change how we view gender in the first place.
I can't even tell you how many transsexuals (who you'd think would be the most understanding about it) cleave to traditional gender roles, and presume to force them onto others. It's really quite amazing, at times, what people have to say about your based on your sexual organs or your gender expression.
I have heard that our perception of reality is the most accurate when we are depressed, which is I must say, pretty depressing. I think depression encourages some degree of examining ourselves and the world candidly, but it certainly falls into the other extreme of excessive negativity and pessimism.
That sounds hugely over-simplified to me, but I admit that when I am certain kinds of depressive states I do feel a kind of clarity. This is also true in certain kinds of euthymia, as well. Part of it, I feel, may have to do with how most people are happy, and what makes them happy. Many people seem to associate with happiness some expectations, a sense of entitlement, that clouds their minds.
For me, there has always been a blur between sadness and happiness, and I've felt that this was somehow important, as if there is a great truth that would manifest when they come together. I still feel this way, and I think it's greatly influenced how I view being happy.
I concur. Anti-conformism is an ironic philosophy because it is inherently contradictory and self-defeating... if conforming is bad, why would you wish to spread ideals of not conforming when that leads to generally conforming according to a different set of criteria...? It is an entirely different but completely pertinent example of "comparative originality" which is not, in fact, very original at all.
Yeppers - it's negativism, which is still a type of comformity.
I guess that's why I'm "equal opportunity."
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
Keep in mind that I choose Christina as an example because in a general sense it can be said that she is quite talented. Someone like Britney Spears, by comparison, is noxious because the music is superficial and poor.
The thing is, Britney Spears music doesnt have to be deep or all that entricate in order for it to be good. Good music makes you feel something and in britneys case it makes you feel good and want to go dancing, mission accomplished right. I find that some people dont enjoy certain types of music because they simple havent heard it the way it was meant to be heard.
For example my best friend only liked underground Ska Punk and metal when we were young and absolutley hated any R&B. So i dragged him to a hip hop club in seattle and he endded up getting a crash course in dancing. Needless to say by the end of the night he loved Hip hop and ever since i equate people who hate hip hop with people who dont know how to dance.lol.
Some people just dont have the life experiences to relate to certain type of music and thats understandble.
That said, mainstream music isn't necessarily good or bad because it is mainstream... the quality of something does not change on the basis of the quality of people that appreciate that, nor the level of appreciation that they have to it with respect to what it actually addresses. However, as a general rule, I find that I tend to personally disagree with the public as to what kind of music is good music and so have a slight bias against the popular simply because there is so often a discrepancy. There are some bands that have some really popular music, and while not always, it is often the case that I much prefer their non-popular, obscure music. That is, of course, limited to within the band itself, and obscure music is, like popular music, largely crap. You have to be able to discern things in specific circumstances rather than use generalizations, I think.
Good points.
Overall i think people (younger people) get caught up in the stigma and cliques attached to certain types of music and generally disregard whether or not it's music they like or could get into. As I used to say in high school "Peer preasure's a B1tch!"
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Most of my music is broadway and celtic, which isn't so much 'mainstream' or 'indie' as it is outside of that system of classification altogether.
The rest varies between Joanna Newsom (indie), Rasputina, Rufus Wainwright (in between), and the Spice Girls (mainstream).
I'm pretty eclectic.
I'm ecstatic! I'm making plans to meet with the guy I like to talk about how his trip to Italy went.
In other news, my home internet is down. Again. Visits will be sporadic.
Mikey was complaining during the half, and was only half-kidding when he said "if they lose, i'm going to need a rum and coke."
I wasn't kidding when I said "If you do that, I'm not speaking to you until whenever we usually talk tomorrow."
I think it's ridiculous to drink just because your favorite team lost. Then again, i find alcohol to be ridiculous and unnecessary to begin with, so.
Hmm,,, I love drinking, socially drinking and getting drunk is fun. drinking at the end of a long day is relaxing. Why wasnt he drinking during the game and why exactly is it bad if he did drink a rum and coke afterward. I sense a rehab story coming up.
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I'm strongly against underage drinking. Well, drinking at all, actually. Alcohol eventually killed my grandpa, who I was VERY close to from a very young age. My uncle is an alcoholic who doesn't think he has a problem, and his problem has cost him three marriages, possibly a fourth. My mom is a recovered alcoholic [with the meds she's on, she can't drink anymore]. My grandma [the one married to the grandpa] was an alcoholic. And now she has problems. My favorite aunt [the one i can talk to about anything] is an alcoholic--but she "doesn't have a problem" either.
The boy next door [since I live in a dorm] drinks by himself, every day of the week. He's smart, he just drowns his problems out with booze. He breaks windows, trashes the common areas, and in general is obnoxious, rude, and quite crude when intoxicated. Like I said, he's smart. He's also kind, helpful, and willing to do almost anything for you if you needed it, when he's not drunk.
My boyfriend knows my stance on this, and even before he met me, he thought underage drinking was silly. He'll be of age before me, if it matters at all. Some of our mutual friends drink, but quite frankly, I just pretend they don't. I'd like to think they're better than that.
I'll be damned if I ever TOUCH alcohol, even after I'm of age. My 21st will be filled with cake and video games and the like, and absolutely no alcohol. I think it's disgusting, and it changes people. Not for the better. I can't stand the way it tastes [I was allowed to taste it at my graduation party. I regret doing so], I can't stand the way it smells.
He wasn't drinking during the game because he was by himself [I told him that if he HAD to drink before he was of age, to at least not do it alone], and didn't after because..
Well, honestly, I'm not convinced he WASN'T drinking after the game. Just by saying "i'm only half-kidding about the drinking part", he automatically made me suspicious after the game, when he was a LOT happier than I expected him to be. It was...well, wrong. Mikey is NEVER happy when the Buckeyes lose championship games. never. nothing i say or do makes him smile, even, when that happens. So to have him go "yay, i still love you and i still love being a buckeye, **** happens la-de-da!"...was wrong, in a way. way wrong.
I would be more upset, angry, and hurt if he started drinking underage than I have ever been with him before. I also may consider leaving him. I'm not controlling, but part of what attracted me to him in the first place was the "drinking underage is silly". He knows this, too. I don't feel very strongly about things [aka abortion, politics in general, pot being legalized], but this is one that I have VERY strong feelings about.
And this concludes my little stand-up-on-a-soap-box-and-preach post.
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Oh, and I don't like the fact that the bad guy (the Persian king) was made to look effeminate.
lol I was just waiting for him to spurt out something like, "this is the last time you will cross the system lords, Ja'fah."
He came across very Apophos to me, lotsa stargate influence.
Even still, no matter how the movie was, the spartans were, mmm....
Yeah, I notice that a lot in that one QRG thread.
It's really hard to think of attractive men to use.
Maybe its just me, but I found Gerard to be rather fine, if his character annoying.
Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
Well said, and a tru dat about the equal oppurtunity hating. If a song is bad, I don't listen to it. If a song is good, I'll listen to it. It's that simple. If I cared about the person making the music, I wouldn't listen to Beck (my god he's pretentious, but so good!)
Music: Y'all should just listen to Mika. There's a song called Lollipop and another called Big Girl and another called Erase and another called Grace Kelly, Love Today, Billy Brown (this one's about a married guy that has kids, falls in love with a man and then has to get away from it all.) and another called Relax. Actually. You should just buy his CD ^_^. (For those of you that don't remember, he was a HGOTW a while ago.)
I remember him, and not likin him at first, but I've turned a new leaf, and he is one of my favorite new artists. Big Girl ftw!
I've got a question for you, Blue: When's the street date for pokemon diamond/pearl? I'm jonesin.
Music: Y'all should just listen to Mika. There's a song called Lollipop and another called Big Girl and another called Erase and another called Grace Kelly, Love Today, Billy Brown (this one's about a married guy that has kids, falls in love with a man and then has to get away from it all.) and another called Relax. Actually. You should just buy his CD ^_^. (For those of you that don't remember, he was a HGOTW a while ago.)
300: Zyrxes or whatever reminded me of Dhalsim from Street Fighter. I wasn't waiting for the Ja'fah comment as much as I was waiting for him to say "Yoga FIRE" or "Yoga flame".
Maybe (I'd say probably) he meant he had a bottle of coke.
Anyway, I'm 16 and hat puts me in a legal age to drink alcoholic beverages (in Portugal). From what I can tell, in America there are a lot of people with drinking problems. I think the cause of the problem is the drinking age being 21, because these kinds of problems are not so common in Portugal.
It's not that we don't drink a lot -- oh no, that's not it at all. Where does all the wine produced in Portugal go to? No, I think that the problem is that setting the drinking age too high doesn't give people enough time to learn prudence when it comes to drinking. Drinking a lot when you're 16 and 17 isn't good for you, but you're at an age where you are learning to live, and eventually you learn to control your drinking. Having people (parents) who can punish you for drinking too much helps, I suppose.
Although, honestly, I haven't had practically ANY alcohol. All I remember drinking was a bit of white wine, a long time ago, when I was young, accidentally (I thought it was water :O). Also, taking small sips of champagne at celebrations.
I didn't like it very much then, but I'm sure it's something that'll grows on me eventually. And I plan to get smashed in parties come summertime.
That actually falls in line with a conversation I had about promiscuity with a friend last night on the phone. (He'd made a comment about strippers and I said he was judging them and he doesn't know them so he's not qualified to give an opinion. Then he went off on this tangent about sex.)
With sex, and alcohol, if we lower the restrictions on things like this will people be more inclined or less inclined to do them? At the same time will they be more or less likely to have problems with them later?
Alcohol for me used to be a big deal (I didn't want to drink so I waited until I was 21) Now I've had alcohol and for the most part it tastes really bad. Yeah there are mixed drinks and I don't mind alcohol even with the acrid taste. But it's not that prominent a fixture in my life. So I'll have it if the occasion arises but I don't usually go out of my way to seek for it... but then again I'm not exactly a normal person. If I had been rebellious as a kid but still waited until 21 to drink alcohol I wonder if I'd be making the same decisions. I guess personality has a lot to do with it, confidence, pressures, addictions etc.
But with alcohol and sex, if people around you were less "uptight" about it, how do you think you'd react? What choices would it present you with and which ones would you make?
Maybe (I'd say probably) he meant he had a bottle of coke.
I don't know Leilani's boyfriend, but in my experience when people say they're only half-kidding about something they don't mean they're going to do half of something and not the other half *shrug*
He probably did have a plain ol' coke, since the kid's practically addicted to the stuff. [pepsi is better, but that's another tangent for another time. ;)]
It just...bugged me that he would even say something like that. he knows how i feel about it. he and one of his close friends were kidding about getting trashed next time mikey's here, and how i should get trashed with them.
I basically said i'd rather have my throat slashed than drink. apparently, this was interpreted as a joke, and they said "well, you can be the dd then". I responded with "no. you won't be going anywhere. I'll take both sets of car keys, and i will hide them. I'm not driving you anywhere when you're drunk."
But anyway. Now we're talking about using excel and stuff. i said i like making spreadsheets by hand better than using a computer [shut up, i'm weird], and then mikey said something about doing a billion calculations..
yeah, too many numbers, not creative enough. numbers are boring. words and pictures and colors are MUCH more interesting to work with. Plus, as much as I love computers, there's just some things I love doing by hand. Like writing papers, making charts and graphs, making spreadsheets.
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I used to feel pretty strongly about all drug use, even alcohol use. Alcohol is easily of the most addictive, dangerous drugs that there is. However, now I don't feel so strongly against it. I've drunk before, in moderation, and in moderation, I don't think it's bad to drink. I guess the only thing is that most people, at least in this country, don't tend to take most things in moderation. In fairness, however, I wouldn't compare a glass of wine with dinner to a night of binge drinking.
Nevertheless, hope this gets sorted out with you and Mikey. Clearly a sensitive issue for you, and rightly so, so it's understandable you wouldn't find that very funny.
Different topic: Do any of you ever give much thought to your looks? That is, is it something that concerns you on a regular basis? Do you ever feel self-conscious about your looks?
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
Different topic: Do any of you ever give much thought to your looks? That is, is it something that concerns you on a regular basis? Do you ever feel self-conscious about your looks?
All the time. I feel self-conscious about everything about myself.
That makes me sound like I have major issues, heh. I don't, really. It's just that at college, I don't feel I can be myself, because I get harassed when I do. i can really only be myself around mikey, because he's the only one who doesn't judge me.
this may explain my lack of friends in college, but i was mostly the same way in high school, and i somehow ended up with friends. most of which who don't talk to me anymore, but y'know. i was always the "we only invite her along because we don't have enough people" one.
I have two papers due for criminal justice, and i don't really feel like doing them. oh well.
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All the time. I feel self-conscious about everything about myself.
That makes me sound like I have major issues, heh. I don't, really. It's just that at college, I don't feel I can be myself, because I get harassed when I do. i can really only be myself around mikey, because he's the only one who doesn't judge me.
this may explain my lack of friends in college, but i was mostly the same way in high school, and i somehow ended up with friends. most of which who don't talk to me anymore, but y'know. i was always the "we only invite her along because we don't have enough people" one.
Not to sound snobby but im not self-concious at all, i know im hot. lol. really though, not much to be self-concious about, after watching 300 i wouldn't mind haveing a bigger chest but thats not gonna keep me from taking my shirt off at the beach or stop modeling.
There is a difference between being self confidant and being self delusional to the point of being some rude diva, im pretty sure that line starts and stops at, tact. I know a lot of people who act like a total ass to people becasue they think they are the sh*t. On the flip side a healthy dose of self confidance can really turn people around. Honestly i attracted to people with a strong sense of self, they seem to be alot more honest about who they are and dont hide strange nuances of there perosonality.
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I love the pranks facebook has pulled..Ohio State and Florida deciding to not play the final game, LOLOLLOLOL. Oh, and two of my non-existant oxen died crossing a ford.
i'm in a better mood lately...evvverryone was gone friday night/most of saturday, so that was nice. and now alicia's working, so i get more quiet time. wooooo!
it stormed like crazy here yesterday, and we almost had tornadoes. cool.
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You win.
Why hasn't Sal pulled any pranks on us? This is disappointing. c'mon, even LiveJournal pulled a prank...
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There have been, but you wouldn't notice most of them/some are awful and uncreative.
No means no, Bitsy!
That is a funny prank, though. I used to like that belt of changing gender in Baldur's Gate . . . I'd always find it and play around with it.
I wish those existed in real life.
When did you start playing? I used to have a red-headed female Mesmer named Ariel Magdali. But I didn't really play for all that long.
I like the male Monks. They're cute. And I think the female Elementalists look a bit obnoxious.
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Im the hopeless optimist, happy go lucky kinda guy and I like to be surrounded by things that put me in a positive enviornment.
I can understand listening to depressing music when your down, kind of a therepy of listening to someone whos going through the same thing as you. its like gaining the empathy of a friend however wallowing in your own self pity makes for a really bad day. I try to mix it up alittle when im down and make a play list of angst ridden emo songs to help me really put words to what im feeling, then some good ole' "you will survive! hey, hey..."
Oh and that reminds me... whats up with this entire site being anti-mainstream music. more threads i read im getting the feeling that the majority of this site just hates anything thats popular. I love pop music, despite "selling out" or "manufactured" music, its still music and it doesnt make it bad. Everyone has there own tastes but why all the pop hate.
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Hating on the mainstream whilst praising the alternative and indie is what you do when you're cool. And 'alternative' people tend to be elitist snobs, sure of their superiority because their favorite groups aren't sellouts/wear eyeliner/dance on treadmills/never get airplay/skateboard/etc. In truth, most of the alternative music the hipsters and emo tards revere is just as ****ty as the manufactured sellout pop acts they slam all the time. And the sad reality is that alternative acts have become very much manufactured and mainstream and the rebellious teens that revel in their alternative-ness are too dumb to realize that they're just sheep being led around by the nose. How ~*ironic*~.
Personally, I'm an equal-opportunity hater and I try not to judge based solely on an artist's political agenda, genre or level of selling out.
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Well, that's sad.
We talked about this in my music class. Actually most of the mainstream pop music today IS manufactured, in that it's generally in the same key, has the same dynamics, etc. etc. It's not interesting to listen to, at least from my point of view. I do like the occasional song, but eventually it gets overplayed and not worth listening to anymore.
Agreed. the dancing on treadmills part made me laugh, hahaha. But agreed, nonetheless.
I listen to what I like, regardless of what genre it is, for the most part. I tend to stay away from pop music, because i find it boring and repetitive. However, my musical tastes range from heavy metal to a few jazz songs, from the random country song to classic rock to celtic music. I try to stay open to new songs, until i've heard them all the way through once or twice. If I don't like it after the second time i've heard it, then chances are i'll never like it, and i don't listen to it again.
Just to throw this in there, some of my favorite bands are Blue October, Pink Floyd, Train, Nickelback, and the Foo Fighters. Artists include Ben Folds [and BFF], Mike Doughty, and Sheryl Crow.
And stuff. Baseball's on! I love baseball.
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Indeed.
I use the term "***** envy" with some amusement, because I think it's background in reasoning is along the same lines of the prominent eugenics contemporary to Freud. Most people, even great people, are, after all, a product of their time. Though I should say I take a rather dim view of psychology.
Keep in mind that I don't necessarily mean a sexual attraction, but rather a basis of identity and/or interpersonal relationships with other people. I think the only exception in that case is the mother-hating, misogynist homosexual "frotter," as it were. There aren't too many men so obsessed with a hypermasculine identity that they want no source of femininity in their lives whatsoever.
Yep, I think in particular the yin-yang dichotomy follows this trend, with active-masculine forces and passive-feminine forces being the most apparent. It's interesting how we can reject the scientific premises of, say, geocentricism or what have you in modern times, but some ideas seem to be so ingrained in us that we cling to them despite evidence to the contrary. I think that may be related to the human need to describe things in a definitive, absolute way. I think this leads many to understand phenomena categorized with such methods as being clean-cut and black-and-white as the language they use to describe those phenomena in their minds is. In nature and in particular with human individuals, there is a certain chaos of variation that makes such thinking often problematic if it cannot be adapted (and if it can, it may validate the form of thinking as being overall useful or efficient). It seems that most of the world's bigots and prejudiced thinkers are the ones that are incapable of adapting in this way.
In this instance I think it is something of an aspiration than an actual state. Many homosexual men recoil from assumptions that they may be effeminate in any way, citing that it makes use of stereotypes instead of an actual empirical basis. I think if we examine the internal motivations we find a very telling consistency of either sexism or a past of being tormented (perhaps by other children for a perceived sexual orientation) in which the feminine develops negative associations. That being the case, I think it would be wiser for us to not validate such "stereotypes" in any manner, rather than taking on a sort of "comparative originality."
And the reason for this is, I think, that many things labeled "feminine" are very negative or are at least not very collaborative towards a mature personality.
It may also stem from a very basic survival instinct of a preference of strength to weakness. The taunting, cruel nature of children can be easily understood as a method of tempering and culling out weakness.
You think perhaps humanity needs a paradigm shift?
I think the problem with the whole thing is that there is some biological basis for why the sexes display particular gender traits that delineates a norm in many cases. Seeing evidence of some of those traits having a biological basis seems to often validate the rest of the drivel that is associated with them out of turn or without founding.
I think we would be best served by examining why there are exceptions to our rules instead of finding new ways to reword our rules, particularly if those rewording include a subset of "abnormal" individuals.
I have heard that our perception of reality is the most accurate when we are depressed, which is I must say, pretty depressing. I think depression encourages some degree of examining ourselves and the world candidly, but it certainly falls into the other extreme of excessive negativity and pessimism.
Well, I would question your association between "pop music" and "mainstream music." Certainly a lot of pop music is mainstream music, but all genres of music have some degree of a mainstream quality which is what makes them genres (and those who are pre-mainstream are not appropriately categorized into an actual genre in this sense, although they will invariably become so at a later point or cease altogether).
As such I'll address this in two parts: pop music and mainstream music.
Pop music is often characterized as being happy, with upbeat instrumentation and mostly saccharine or superficial lyrics. I don't specifically hate this kind of music personally, and if it happens to be playing I'll probably enjoy listening to it (with numerous exceptions due to some music just being bad, of course, such as in the case of the mind-rending stuff that Old Navy tends to play in its stores... gah). But am I going to explicitly pick up a CD of Christina Aguilera and listen to her? Probably not, because my musical preferences are otherwise and I just tend to enjoy those other types of music more. Keep in mind that I choose Christina as an example because in a general sense it can be said that she is quite talented. Someone like Britney Spears, by comparison, is noxious because the music is superficial and poor.
As for mainstream music, this category is so broad that I find it foolish to condemn it rashly, which it often is by anti-conformist types. I think the reason that many music snobs have critical views of mainstream music has much less to do with their underground band suddenly "selling out" once it became mainstream and is almost entirely based on the fact that as soon as anything ever becomes popular, more idiots have access to it. And some degree of those idiots will become "inspired" by this new popular thing and endeavor to create things on the basis of this inspiration, thereby attracting more idiot followers. I think a lot of people resent the degradation that follows this trend. Someone might at first identify as, for example, emo, but then be repulsed by the flurry of stupid people and music that label themselves "emo" that follows it becoming popular such that they find the label no longer appropriate because it has been hijacked. Having to abandon your own identity might make some people reasonably upset. That said, mainstream music isn't necessarily good or bad because it is mainstream... the quality of something does not change on the basis of the quality of people that appreciate that, nor the level of appreciation that they have to it with respect to what it actually addresses. However, as a general rule, I find that I tend to personally disagree with the public as to what kind of music is good music and so have a slight bias against the popular simply because there is so often a discrepancy. There are some bands that have some really popular music, and while not always, it is often the case that I much prefer their non-popular, obscure music. That is, of course, limited to within the band itself, and obscure music is, like popular music, largely crap. You have to be able to discern things in specific circumstances rather than use generalizations, I think.
I concur. Anti-conformism is an ironic philosophy because it is inherently contradictory and self-defeating... if conforming is bad, why would you wish to spread ideals of not conforming when that leads to generally conforming according to a different set of criteria...? It is an entirely different but completely pertinent example of "comparative originality" which is not, in fact, very original at all.
Hee hee. I think I'm sort of "equal opportunity" too, but in the other direction. I tend to like any and all kinds of music, or whatever it may be, that happen to tickle my fancy. I rarely care about genre, popularity, or the questionable nature of the artist's personality or integrity. I listen to everything from show-tunes to anime openings to angsty girlie bands to j-rock to pop opera, and I am utterly unapologetic about it.
You crazy goober.
Oh, I understand, but I still disagree, because it appears you are making a blanket statement about a trait that someone has if he is a man, when being a man may or may not really lead to having that trait. Unless, of course, you are saying that all people wish for this kind of relationship, only in the case of men it tends to manifest itself through demonstrations of power. I do think there is some truth to the notion that yielding control has appeal to everyone, as can seizing control at times. Acting upon another person, and letting another person act upon you, are the very basic components of interaction, and I think that in some way the sex act expresses this, as it is very much a give-and-take exchange of actions upon each other. Yielding to another's actions may be as simple as being taken care of, comforted, held, kissed, etc, but in some cases it may be manifested as controlled or even abused, depending on how the person in question views it. And with most men, perhaps, the seductress-seduced relationship may seem to be the form of this dynamic that is most plausible or acceptable, at least in which a man can be in the "passive" part. It may be because it one of the only really acceptable ways in which a man can be "passive."
But I don't think wanting to yield to such an advance is at all particular to being male or masculine, because I perceive it in women, too.
I've heard it said that it's because people tend to understand things better when they see them in terms of specifics; thus, most people look at specific situations and intuit a relationship of scale between that situation and more general truths. Gender ideals appear somewhat inured to insight as to how ridiculous or ideas can sometimes be, and I think that, at least in some way, this is owed to how nebulous and abstract gender even is. I think that much of what comprises gender is aesthetic, and what appears masculine or feminine to some people will only be met with agreement by people who are, at least in part, beholden to the same fundamental aesthetic. Surely there is some aspect of gender that is "objective," insitinctual - but what part that is is hard to say, because bundle as a whole is hard to define in any comprehensive way.
Well, yes, because the intention of my description was that the typical male socialization process teaches them that it is more appropriate for males to be "heroes" or "villains," to use literary comparisons, because these are active characters who wield literal power. The only alternative is to be a victim or a side character, which are thought to be feminine roles. As such, being male does not necessarily make you into this kind of person - but chances are, people would have you try.
I agree.
Yes. I think much of how femininity is traditionally defined is in a mysoginistic way. The very fact that weakness is associated with femininity, despite the truth that women generally have their own strengths, is telling, I think.
Very much so! It's hard to tell where the objective truth of gender ends and the subjective imputations begin. My belief is that the first step is to just drop trying to force onto others what we perceive to be behavior appropriate for a certain gender. If people were allowed to behave and define their personalities by going with their nature, then it'd surely be easier to see what the inherent tendencies are among groups of men and women really are.
I hear that. I do think the fact that there are exceptions to our ideas about gender reveals something about the consistency of these ideas. However, the tendency appears to be to just tweak the norms and the ideals, rather than abolish them and change how we view gender in the first place.
I can't even tell you how many transsexuals (who you'd think would be the most understanding about it) cleave to traditional gender roles, and presume to force them onto others. It's really quite amazing, at times, what people have to say about your based on your sexual organs or your gender expression.
That sounds hugely over-simplified to me, but I admit that when I am certain kinds of depressive states I do feel a kind of clarity. This is also true in certain kinds of euthymia, as well. Part of it, I feel, may have to do with how most people are happy, and what makes them happy. Many people seem to associate with happiness some expectations, a sense of entitlement, that clouds their minds.
For me, there has always been a blur between sadness and happiness, and I've felt that this was somehow important, as if there is a great truth that would manifest when they come together. I still feel this way, and I think it's greatly influenced how I view being happy.
Yeppers - it's negativism, which is still a type of comformity.
I guess that's why I'm "equal opportunity."
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The thing is, Britney Spears music doesnt have to be deep or all that entricate in order for it to be good. Good music makes you feel something and in britneys case it makes you feel good and want to go dancing, mission accomplished right. I find that some people dont enjoy certain types of music because they simple havent heard it the way it was meant to be heard.
For example my best friend only liked underground Ska Punk and metal when we were young and absolutley hated any R&B. So i dragged him to a hip hop club in seattle and he endded up getting a crash course in dancing. Needless to say by the end of the night he loved Hip hop and ever since i equate people who hate hip hop with people who dont know how to dance.lol.
Some people just dont have the life experiences to relate to certain type of music and thats understandble.
Good points.
Overall i think people (younger people) get caught up in the stigma and cliques attached to certain types of music and generally disregard whether or not it's music they like or could get into. As I used to say in high school "Peer preasure's a B1tch!"
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The rest varies between Joanna Newsom (indie), Rasputina, Rufus Wainwright (in between), and the Spice Girls (mainstream).
I'm pretty eclectic.
I'm ecstatic! I'm making plans to meet with the guy I like to talk about how his trip to Italy went.
In other news, my home internet is down. Again. Visits will be sporadic.
the buckeyes lost.
Mikey was complaining during the half, and was only half-kidding when he said "if they lose, i'm going to need a rum and coke."
I wasn't kidding when I said "If you do that, I'm not speaking to you until whenever we usually talk tomorrow."
I think it's ridiculous to drink just because your favorite team lost. Then again, i find alcohol to be ridiculous and unnecessary to begin with, so.
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Hmm,,, I love drinking, socially drinking and getting drunk is fun. drinking at the end of a long day is relaxing. Why wasnt he drinking during the game and why exactly is it bad if he did drink a rum and coke afterward. I sense a rehab story coming up.
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The boy next door [since I live in a dorm] drinks by himself, every day of the week. He's smart, he just drowns his problems out with booze. He breaks windows, trashes the common areas, and in general is obnoxious, rude, and quite crude when intoxicated. Like I said, he's smart. He's also kind, helpful, and willing to do almost anything for you if you needed it, when he's not drunk.
My boyfriend knows my stance on this, and even before he met me, he thought underage drinking was silly. He'll be of age before me, if it matters at all. Some of our mutual friends drink, but quite frankly, I just pretend they don't. I'd like to think they're better than that.
I'll be damned if I ever TOUCH alcohol, even after I'm of age. My 21st will be filled with cake and video games and the like, and absolutely no alcohol. I think it's disgusting, and it changes people. Not for the better. I can't stand the way it tastes [I was allowed to taste it at my graduation party. I regret doing so], I can't stand the way it smells.
He wasn't drinking during the game because he was by himself [I told him that if he HAD to drink before he was of age, to at least not do it alone], and didn't after because..
Well, honestly, I'm not convinced he WASN'T drinking after the game. Just by saying "i'm only half-kidding about the drinking part", he automatically made me suspicious after the game, when he was a LOT happier than I expected him to be. It was...well, wrong. Mikey is NEVER happy when the Buckeyes lose championship games. never. nothing i say or do makes him smile, even, when that happens. So to have him go "yay, i still love you and i still love being a buckeye, **** happens la-de-da!"...was wrong, in a way. way wrong.
I would be more upset, angry, and hurt if he started drinking underage than I have ever been with him before. I also may consider leaving him. I'm not controlling, but part of what attracted me to him in the first place was the "drinking underage is silly". He knows this, too. I don't feel very strongly about things [aka abortion, politics in general, pot being legalized], but this is one that I have VERY strong feelings about.
And this concludes my little stand-up-on-a-soap-box-and-preach post.
I know it seems that I don't care,
but something in me does I swear.
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lol I was just waiting for him to spurt out something like, "this is the last time you will cross the system lords, Ja'fah."
He came across very Apophos to me, lotsa stargate influence.
Even still, no matter how the movie was, the spartans were, mmm....
Maybe its just me, but I found Gerard to be rather fine, if his character annoying.
Well said, and a tru dat about the equal oppurtunity hating. If a song is bad, I don't listen to it. If a song is good, I'll listen to it. It's that simple. If I cared about the person making the music, I wouldn't listen to Beck (my god he's pretentious, but so good!)
I remember him, and not likin him at first, but I've turned a new leaf, and he is one of my favorite new artists. Big Girl ftw!
I've got a question for you, Blue: When's the street date for pokemon diamond/pearl? I'm jonesin.
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300: Zyrxes or whatever reminded me of Dhalsim from Street Fighter. I wasn't waiting for the Ja'fah comment as much as I was waiting for him to say "Yoga FIRE" or "Yoga flame".
That actually falls in line with a conversation I had about promiscuity with a friend last night on the phone. (He'd made a comment about strippers and I said he was judging them and he doesn't know them so he's not qualified to give an opinion. Then he went off on this tangent about sex.)
With sex, and alcohol, if we lower the restrictions on things like this will people be more inclined or less inclined to do them? At the same time will they be more or less likely to have problems with them later?
Alcohol for me used to be a big deal (I didn't want to drink so I waited until I was 21) Now I've had alcohol and for the most part it tastes really bad. Yeah there are mixed drinks and I don't mind alcohol even with the acrid taste. But it's not that prominent a fixture in my life. So I'll have it if the occasion arises but I don't usually go out of my way to seek for it... but then again I'm not exactly a normal person. If I had been rebellious as a kid but still waited until 21 to drink alcohol I wonder if I'd be making the same decisions. I guess personality has a lot to do with it, confidence, pressures, addictions etc.
But with alcohol and sex, if people around you were less "uptight" about it, how do you think you'd react? What choices would it present you with and which ones would you make?
I don't know Leilani's boyfriend, but in my experience when people say they're only half-kidding about something they don't mean they're going to do half of something and not the other half *shrug*
It just...bugged me that he would even say something like that. he knows how i feel about it. he and one of his close friends were kidding about getting trashed next time mikey's here, and how i should get trashed with them.
I basically said i'd rather have my throat slashed than drink. apparently, this was interpreted as a joke, and they said "well, you can be the dd then". I responded with "no. you won't be going anywhere. I'll take both sets of car keys, and i will hide them. I'm not driving you anywhere when you're drunk."
But anyway. Now we're talking about using excel and stuff. i said i like making spreadsheets by hand better than using a computer [shut up, i'm weird], and then mikey said something about doing a billion calculations..
yeah, too many numbers, not creative enough. numbers are boring. words and pictures and colors are MUCH more interesting to work with. Plus, as much as I love computers, there's just some things I love doing by hand. Like writing papers, making charts and graphs, making spreadsheets.
I know it seems that I don't care,
but something in me does I swear.
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It seems I just can't take a joke when the joke has to do with alcohol.
And now "i'm sorry" seems to do nothing, and i feel like ****.
lovely.
I know it seems that I don't care,
but something in me does I swear.
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Nevertheless, hope this gets sorted out with you and Mikey. Clearly a sensitive issue for you, and rightly so, so it's understandable you wouldn't find that very funny.
Different topic: Do any of you ever give much thought to your looks? That is, is it something that concerns you on a regular basis? Do you ever feel self-conscious about your looks?
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All the time. I feel self-conscious about everything about myself.
That makes me sound like I have major issues, heh. I don't, really. It's just that at college, I don't feel I can be myself, because I get harassed when I do. i can really only be myself around mikey, because he's the only one who doesn't judge me.
this may explain my lack of friends in college, but i was mostly the same way in high school, and i somehow ended up with friends. most of which who don't talk to me anymore, but y'know. i was always the "we only invite her along because we don't have enough people" one.
I have two papers due for criminal justice, and i don't really feel like doing them. oh well.
I know it seems that I don't care,
but something in me does I swear.
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me and my roommate were thinking the exact same thing, when you first see him being carried on his throne i was expecting his eyes to start glowing.
Not to sound snobby but im not self-concious at all, i know im hot. lol. really though, not much to be self-concious about, after watching 300 i wouldn't mind haveing a bigger chest but thats not gonna keep me from taking my shirt off at the beach or stop modeling.
There is a difference between being self confidant and being self delusional to the point of being some rude diva, im pretty sure that line starts and stops at, tact. I know a lot of people who act like a total ass to people becasue they think they are the sh*t. On the flip side a healthy dose of self confidance can really turn people around. Honestly i attracted to people with a strong sense of self, they seem to be alot more honest about who they are and dont hide strange nuances of there perosonality.
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