Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems like every post you make suggests you are in a constant state of being turned on. Isn't that incredibly uncomfortable?
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Well about AoTw, well maybe in the future I want to see my favorite anime Hunter X Hunter to be in there..I hope mr stuff will have the time to watch it someday.
Time for magic rant: Theres a planeswalker spoiled!!!! [fanboy]DOOMSDAY IS HERE!!!DOOMSDAY IS HERE!!!!!! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE[/fanboy] sorry ive been wanting to do a fanboy tag for a while now
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Time for magic rant: Theres a planeswalker spoiled!!!! [fanboy]DOOMSDAY IS HERE!!!DOOMSDAY IS HERE!!!!!! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE[/fanboy] sorry ive been wanting to do a fanboy tag for a while now
\thats more what i thought when i saw the phillipino hare hare yukai
Oh my god...A new card!! I cant wait for the green planeswalker!!!!
My speculations are:
1. Loyalty is the planeswalker life (duh)
2. Loyalty abilities are only once each turn(cuz if they are not, then Lorwyn is hell)
3. Since creatures can attack planeswalkers as if they were players, then targeted spells can target planeswalkers too.
Yep... your opponent can attack your planeswalker cards... and your creatures can block for them. Wha-huh? Reanimate every creature in every graveyard? Loyalty points? New card frames?
Lilliana Vess just made my day.
If these cards don't come packaged in something with a rules explanation insert, though, people are going to be confused beyond belief. There is absolutely no explanation of how things work on the cards themselves. All you get is some numbers and abilities in a nifty new frame. Wizards really went wild with this concept.
\thats more what i thought when i saw the phillipino hare hare yukai
Pinoys dancing hare hare yukai is not really that big a deal(really if you saw the tv shows here its like just an evolutionary step and im pretty sure hunter44 cant deny that :p)...im still waiting for a pageant show in which the chicks here can come up with a better answer than "thats a a good question.............*leaves stand*" because then i start hoarding bibles, water and beef jerky and prepare myself for the end
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Before we all start peeing our pants about the Planeswalker. Just remember, its just a way to bring up hype for the set. If the rest of the set blows, then who will care 'bout the walkers in a few months. Thats right, nobody.
If these cards don't come packaged in something with a rules explanation insert, though, people are going to be confused beyond belief. There is absolutely no explanation of how things work on the cards themselves. All you get is some numbers and abilities in a nifty new frame. Wizards really went wild with this concept.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it would be a given. I don't think they went "wild". So far, the concept seems very synergistic with the main system itself. It doesn't seem to involve a lot of drastic rules changes or change a lot of how the game works, it really just seems to expand upon previous concepts in a new way.
Before we all start peeing our pants about the Planeswalker. Just remember, its just a way to bring up hype for the set. If the rest of the set blows, then who will care 'bout the walkers in a few months. Thats right, nobody.
That isn't really the point. The point is, it's an entirely new card type, which will almost certainly impact the game in a large way. They aren't going to introduce a new card type in one set and then just drop it entirely for the rest of time. So regardless of how Lorwyn turns out, Madame Jaded, the introduction of Planeswalkers is a big deal that is certainly more notable than a flash-in-the-pan gimmick.
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That isn't really the point. The point is, it's an entirely new card type, which will almost certainly impact the game in a large way. They aren't going to introduce a new card type in one set and then just drop it entirely for the rest of time. So regardless of how Lorwyn turns out, Madame Jaded, the introduction of Planeswalkers is a big deal that is certainly more notable than a flash-in-the-pan gimmick.
Well youre entitled to what you think. But everyone knows that when it comes to Magic, I'm a big fan of change. They've had their bread and butter for over a decade and big changes (not eratta, i mean like the card frame change) just irk me greatly. But I digress. And just so you know Ms. FancyPants, I am not a Madame.....yet.
But everyone knows that when it comes to Magic, I'm a big fan of change. They've had their bread and butter for over a decade and big changes (not eratta, i mean like the card frame change) just irk me greatly
You're contradicting yourself. You like change, but it irks you greatly?
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You're contradicting yourself. You like change, but it irks you greatly?
No, I didn't say that. I said that changes like eratta, which in many cases are necessary are fine. But great change for the sake of great change bothers me. If it ain't broken, dont fix it. That sort of rhetoric.
No, I didn't say that. I said that changes like eratta, which in many cases are necessary are fine. But great change for the sake of great change bothers me. If it ain't broken, dont fix it. That sort of rhetoric.
A system without innovations leads to stagnantion. Also, I still don't see how that isn't a contradiction. You didn't say you were a fan of errata. You said, and I quote, "I'm a big fan of change", followed immediately by how "big changes irk you". If that isn't a contradiction, then someone changed the definition at some point and forget to send out a memo.
I don't mean to seem hostile, I just feel like getting so pre-emptively "Well, you know guys, this is all just a WotC ploy to distract us from all the SUCK!" is a bit in the vein of "crazy kid from the Rumor Mill", which gets soooo old. If the MTG experience is such a continual stream of being duped by the WotC PR department, having the veritable rug pulled out from under you, and being let down, then why not just quit rather than constantly bemoaning every new thing and ruining the fun for everyone else? I get not liking a set idea, I just don't get having to come in and be a party pooper.
A system without innovations leads to stagnantion. Also, I still don't see how that isn't a contradiction. You didn't say you were a fan of errata. You said, and I quote, "I'm a big fan of change", followed immediately by how "big changes irk you". If that isn't a contradiction, then someone changed the definition at some point and forget to send out a memo.
I don't mean to seem hostile, I just feel like getting so pre-emptively "Well, you know guys, this is all just a WotC ploy to distract us from all the SUCK!" is a bit in the vein of "crazy kid from the Rumor Mill", which gets soooo old. If the MTG experience is such a continual stream of being duped by the WotC PR department, having the veritable rug pulled out from under you, and being let down, then why not just quit rather than constantly bemoaning every new thing and ruining the fun for everyone else? I get not liking a set idea, I just don't get having to come in and be a party pooper.
I would like to strike this whole argument from the record as my original post was wrong. It says "I'm a big fan of change." Whereas it should say "I'm NOT a big fan of change".
And I'm not implying that it is a flash in the pan gimmick. It will be around for a long time, it is a new card type, I'm just saying that these 5 cards are getting all the hype and it might disguise what could be a bad set. So far I haven't liked what I've seen. Like I don't want this to be another Legions.
I would like to strike this whole argument from the record as my original post was wrong. It says "I'm a big fan of change." Whereas it should say "I'm NOT a big fan of change".
And I'm not implying that it is a flash in the pan gimmick. It will be around for a long time, it is a new card type, I'm just saying that these 5 cards are getting all the hype and it might disguise what could be a bad set. So far I haven't liked what I've seen. Like I don't want this to be another Legions.
Well, that makes sense.
And yes, I'm not saying "OMG GUYS LORWYN IS GONNA BE LIKE A ******** FROM HEAVEN ITSELF I CAN'T WAIT!", and I don't think any of the excitement over planeswalkers is really rooted in that, either. Lorwyn could very realistically be a bad set, but the advent of a new card type that is both different but not so different that is a clear gimmick is some MAJOR news. I don't even play and it got me poking around and speculating.
I haven't followed much, but again- I stopped playing. Even still, tribal REALLY isn't my thing, but I bet for some it is a big deal.
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And yes, I'm not saying "OMG GUYS LORWYN IS GONNA BE LIKE A ******** FROM HEAVEN ITSELF I CAN'T WAIT!", and I don't think any of the excitement over planeswalkers is really rooted in that, either. Lorwyn could very realistically be a bad set, but the advent of a new card type that is both different but not so different that is a clear gimmick is some MAJOR news. I don't even play and it got me poking around and speculating.
I haven't followed much, but again- I stopped playing. Even still, tribal REALLY isn't my thing, but I bet for some it is a big deal.
Tribal isn't my thing either, which is why my eyes are rolling at all the excitement.
But I'm sorry I was so irritable. It's just that we are getting hyped up about the biggest casual cards printed since Leviathan. The deckbuilder in me just wants to see something interesting, not just new. How about another great combo card like Minds Desire? That would get me scrambling for cases of the set.
Tribal isn't my thing either, which is why my eyes are rolling at all the excitement.
Yeah, I'm not thrilled either, but at the same time, I can always just save the money I would spend on it, which is a nice thought. It's almost sort of a relief that I don't want to play it.
But I'm sorry I was so irritable. It's just that we are getting hyped up about the biggest casual cards printed since Leviathan. The deckbuilder in me just wants to see something interesting, not just new. How about another great combo card like Minds Desire? That would get me scrambling for cases of the set.
See, we don't KNOW they are just a nouveau Leviathan. We've not seen nearly enough to make a judgment like that- there could be some really great planeswalkers that could completely innovate the face of the game, changing deckbuilding forever. However, you know how it is- preview cards tend to be Timmy cards, because no matter what Spike and Johnny want to think, Timmy and casual players make up the VAST majority of WotC's buyers.
Imagine if we had NEVER seen an enchantment before, and Lorwyn had introduced enchantments- and the first preview enchantment would be something like Furnace of Rath. Does that mean that all enchantments are just casual play staples with no ability to impact the competitive game, or that all enchantments will follow that pattern? I think anyone would be quick to say no, obviously not. I think planeswalkers could be very much the same, but keep in mind it may not happen immediately. It could be years before they become good, or it could be an overnight success. I think that within that possibility the excitement over them is being generated, and Liliana Vess is just the first recognition of this fact.
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Yeah, I'm not thrilled either, but at the same time, I can always just save the money I would spend on it, which is a nice thought. It's almost sort of a relief that I don't want to play it.
See, we don't KNOW they are just a nouveau Leviathan. We've not seen nearly enough to make a judgment like that- there could be some really great planeswalkers that could completely innovate the face of the game, changing deckbuilding forever. However, you know how it is- preview cards tend to be Timmy cards, because no matter what Spike and Johnny want to think, Timmy and casual players make up the VAST majority of WotC's buyers.
Imagine if we had NEVER seen an enchantment before, and Lorwyn had introduced enchantments- and the first preview enchantment would be something like Furnace of Rath. Does that mean that all enchantments are just casual play staples with no ability to impact the competitive game, or that all enchantments will follow that pattern? I think anyone would be quick to say no, obviously not. I think planeswalkers could be very much the same, but keep in mind it may not happen immediately. It could be years before they become good, or it could be an overnight success. I think that within that possibility the excitement over them is being generated, and Liliana Vess is just the first recognition of this fact.
While a valid point, there is such a small sample size of Planeswalkers that it may take a set or two or five before we see some really interesting stuff. Besides, I like Furnace of Rath. Pre-9th Mono-Red Burn was a good deck I say.
But back to the point.
You're right we don't have enough information to tell, but with only 4 shots left to get something powerful/interesting odds are against my favor. How many enchantments are that good, maybe 1 out of every 10-15 at best. Shooting for 1:5 or better is like heading into Worlds and shooting for a top 8, whereas we should be looking just to make the second day. If you catch my metaphor.
Wow - lots for me to catch up on. I'm not gonna do it right now (haven't got the energy!)
I have been sleeping well again (finally) and my aunt and uncle took me out yesterday to see the interstate park between virginia and kentucky - it was brilliant! Best thing I have done here
Hope you are all good... I'm counting down the days before I am back in England with my Eric... four...
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First off, planeswalker is a permanent new card type. I can't imagine a level of poor reception that would lead to them being discontinued.
Any attempt to judge the power level of the known planeswalker card is by definition entirely speculation anyway, since the full extent of the planeswalker rules aren't even known, and the environment it will exist in is almost entirely a mystery. Based on what is known, will Vess -likely- be primarily a casual card? That might be a fair statement. There's a huge middle ground between "Not quite making it in top decks" (which happens to many amazing cards simply because the deck to support them isn't there) and "Leviathan".
There's also the issue of 'selling' the idea of planeswalker cards; WotC doesn't need to convince players on enchantments, because they've been around forever. They can print tons of enchantments as weird Johnny cards or auras for limited or just straight-out bad cards and nobody will question whether adding enchantments to the game was a bad idea. It behooves Wizards to spend enough of a set's available power on planeswalkers that they won't be underpowered. At the same time, they need to play it safe to avoid making them so powerful that they're unpopular for that reason; the history game is full of places where they erred a bit in either direction. (Leery of the power of repeatable effects, the arcane/splice engine was cropped back a little too much; if you look, very few of the splice cards actually generate resources. This was on the tails of equipment, where the initial batch was somewhat stronger than they might've liked.)
There's also the issue of 'selling' the idea of planeswalker cards; WotC doesn't need to convince players on enchantments, because they've been around forever. They can print tons of enchantments as weird Johnny cards or auras for limited or just straight-out bad cards and nobody will question whether adding enchantments to the game was a bad idea. It behooves Wizards to spend enough of a set's available power on planeswalkers that they won't be underpowered. At the same time, they need to play it safe to avoid making them so powerful that they're unpopular for that reason; the history game is full of places where they erred a bit in either direction. (Leery of the power of repeatable effects, the arcane/splice engine was cropped back a little too much; if you look, very few of the splice cards actually generate resources. This was on the tails of equipment, where the initial batch was somewhat stronger than they might've liked.)
My point on enchantments is the exactly that, though- you cannot judge an entire card type based on any one single card of that type, particularly if you have yet to actually SEE any other cards of that type.
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well i was having such a nice day and now everything is ****ed, i came home after spending the day out with my friends to find out my grandfather(my fathers dad) is suffering Stomach cancer...i just feel like hell right now... i have issues with my father and his side of the family but i love my grandpa, he, while a little eccentric is a very loving person and i always cared for him even when i was at odds with everyone else, sorry for the rant i just needed somewhere to put this since i need to vent it and i dont want to get my wife worried.
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Well about AoTw, well maybe in the future I want to see my favorite anime Hunter X Hunter to be in there..I hope mr stuff will have the time to watch it someday.
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\thats more what i thought when i saw the phillipino hare hare yukai
My speculations are:
1. Loyalty is the planeswalker life (duh)
2. Loyalty abilities are only once each turn(cuz if they are not, then Lorwyn is hell)
3. Since creatures can attack planeswalkers as if they were players, then targeted spells can target planeswalkers too.
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Lilliana Vess just made my day.
If these cards don't come packaged in something with a rules explanation insert, though, people are going to be confused beyond belief. There is absolutely no explanation of how things work on the cards themselves. All you get is some numbers and abilities in a nifty new frame. Wizards really went wild with this concept.
yay!
Pinoys dancing hare hare yukai is not really that big a deal(really if you saw the tv shows here its like just an evolutionary step and im pretty sure hunter44 cant deny that :p)...im still waiting for a pageant show in which the chicks here can come up with a better answer than "thats a a good question.............*leaves stand*" because then i start hoarding bibles, water and beef jerky and prepare myself for the end
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I've heard of this... if Stuffy likes it then i'll look for it. *bunny*
It's spelled filipino... ^^, it's cute though hehe
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it would be a given. I don't think they went "wild". So far, the concept seems very synergistic with the main system itself. It doesn't seem to involve a lot of drastic rules changes or change a lot of how the game works, it really just seems to expand upon previous concepts in a new way.
That isn't really the point. The point is, it's an entirely new card type, which will almost certainly impact the game in a large way. They aren't going to introduce a new card type in one set and then just drop it entirely for the rest of time. So regardless of how Lorwyn turns out, Madame Jaded, the introduction of Planeswalkers is a big deal that is certainly more notable than a flash-in-the-pan gimmick.
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Well youre entitled to what you think. But everyone knows that when it comes to Magic, I'm a big fan of change. They've had their bread and butter for over a decade and big changes (not eratta, i mean like the card frame change) just irk me greatly. But I digress. And just so you know Ms. FancyPants, I am not a Madame.....yet.
Then stop acting like one.
You're contradicting yourself. You like change, but it irks you greatly?
No, I didn't say that. I said that changes like eratta, which in many cases are necessary are fine. But great change for the sake of great change bothers me. If it ain't broken, dont fix it. That sort of rhetoric.
A system without innovations leads to stagnantion. Also, I still don't see how that isn't a contradiction. You didn't say you were a fan of errata. You said, and I quote, "I'm a big fan of change", followed immediately by how "big changes irk you". If that isn't a contradiction, then someone changed the definition at some point and forget to send out a memo.
I don't mean to seem hostile, I just feel like getting so pre-emptively "Well, you know guys, this is all just a WotC ploy to distract us from all the SUCK!" is a bit in the vein of "crazy kid from the Rumor Mill", which gets soooo old. If the MTG experience is such a continual stream of being duped by the WotC PR department, having the veritable rug pulled out from under you, and being let down, then why not just quit rather than constantly bemoaning every new thing and ruining the fun for everyone else? I get not liking a set idea, I just don't get having to come in and be a party pooper.
I would like to strike this whole argument from the record as my original post was wrong. It says "I'm a big fan of change." Whereas it should say "I'm NOT a big fan of change".
And I'm not implying that it is a flash in the pan gimmick. It will be around for a long time, it is a new card type, I'm just saying that these 5 cards are getting all the hype and it might disguise what could be a bad set. So far I haven't liked what I've seen. Like I don't want this to be another Legions.
Well, that makes sense.
And yes, I'm not saying "OMG GUYS LORWYN IS GONNA BE LIKE A ******** FROM HEAVEN ITSELF I CAN'T WAIT!", and I don't think any of the excitement over planeswalkers is really rooted in that, either. Lorwyn could very realistically be a bad set, but the advent of a new card type that is both different but not so different that is a clear gimmick is some MAJOR news. I don't even play and it got me poking around and speculating.
I haven't followed much, but again- I stopped playing. Even still, tribal REALLY isn't my thing, but I bet for some it is a big deal.
Tribal isn't my thing either, which is why my eyes are rolling at all the excitement.
But I'm sorry I was so irritable. It's just that we are getting hyped up about the biggest casual cards printed since Leviathan. The deckbuilder in me just wants to see something interesting, not just new. How about another great combo card like Minds Desire? That would get me scrambling for cases of the set.
Yeah, I'm not thrilled either, but at the same time, I can always just save the money I would spend on it, which is a nice thought. It's almost sort of a relief that I don't want to play it.
See, we don't KNOW they are just a nouveau Leviathan. We've not seen nearly enough to make a judgment like that- there could be some really great planeswalkers that could completely innovate the face of the game, changing deckbuilding forever. However, you know how it is- preview cards tend to be Timmy cards, because no matter what Spike and Johnny want to think, Timmy and casual players make up the VAST majority of WotC's buyers.
Imagine if we had NEVER seen an enchantment before, and Lorwyn had introduced enchantments- and the first preview enchantment would be something like Furnace of Rath. Does that mean that all enchantments are just casual play staples with no ability to impact the competitive game, or that all enchantments will follow that pattern? I think anyone would be quick to say no, obviously not. I think planeswalkers could be very much the same, but keep in mind it may not happen immediately. It could be years before they become good, or it could be an overnight success. I think that within that possibility the excitement over them is being generated, and Liliana Vess is just the first recognition of this fact.
While a valid point, there is such a small sample size of Planeswalkers that it may take a set or two or five before we see some really interesting stuff. Besides, I like Furnace of Rath. Pre-9th Mono-Red Burn was a good deck I say.
But back to the point.
You're right we don't have enough information to tell, but with only 4 shots left to get something powerful/interesting odds are against my favor. How many enchantments are that good, maybe 1 out of every 10-15 at best. Shooting for 1:5 or better is like heading into Worlds and shooting for a top 8, whereas we should be looking just to make the second day. If you catch my metaphor.
I have been sleeping well again (finally) and my aunt and uncle took me out yesterday to see the interstate park between virginia and kentucky - it was brilliant! Best thing I have done here
Hope you are all good... I'm counting down the days before I am back in England with my Eric... four...
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Any attempt to judge the power level of the known planeswalker card is by definition entirely speculation anyway, since the full extent of the planeswalker rules aren't even known, and the environment it will exist in is almost entirely a mystery. Based on what is known, will Vess -likely- be primarily a casual card? That might be a fair statement. There's a huge middle ground between "Not quite making it in top decks" (which happens to many amazing cards simply because the deck to support them isn't there) and "Leviathan".
There's also the issue of 'selling' the idea of planeswalker cards; WotC doesn't need to convince players on enchantments, because they've been around forever. They can print tons of enchantments as weird Johnny cards or auras for limited or just straight-out bad cards and nobody will question whether adding enchantments to the game was a bad idea. It behooves Wizards to spend enough of a set's available power on planeswalkers that they won't be underpowered. At the same time, they need to play it safe to avoid making them so powerful that they're unpopular for that reason; the history game is full of places where they erred a bit in either direction. (Leery of the power of repeatable effects, the arcane/splice engine was cropped back a little too much; if you look, very few of the splice cards actually generate resources. This was on the tails of equipment, where the initial batch was somewhat stronger than they might've liked.)
My point on enchantments is the exactly that, though- you cannot judge an entire card type based on any one single card of that type, particularly if you have yet to actually SEE any other cards of that type.
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