Dreia, don't worry about the Waffle Iron Chronicles--they're up to stay.
I won round 1 of the tournament, 2-0. Dunno what to make of it though..
My Rancoredelf cards came in, and I'm now the proud owner of 4 Jhoira of the Ghitu. Now to build a deck around her..
i opened one in a fat pack, and i really want to bring it to a big tournament and have the artist draw a tiny Colossus in the background...just like your avatar.
Bleah, I need to eat a real meal instead of just crackers n cheese. BRB
Fox: No, it doesn't work that way. If you play Boom, targeting your expanse and an opponent's, then sac the expanse for a land, Boom will be countered because it needs both targets in play when it resolves.
That's not how it works. As long as there is at least one legal target, the spell resolves as normal. The important thing is that both targets are in play when you announce the spell and choose targets, after that step, as long as one of the original targets is still in play, it goes off.
Eh.. I really need to re-read the comprules. I always get stuff like that mixed up. I always think it has to have all its legal targets.
Yeah, it's a freakishly complex game when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Like, in order to play Decimate, all four targets must be present at the time of casting. But if something happens to one of the targets before it resolves, the spell still tries to resolve as best it can and will destroy the other three targets.
I just took another headache pill. I think I might be dehydrated because of my stomach virus thing. So I'm drinking lots of water as well.
The craptastic thing about it, is that I'm more then likely going to have to call off band practice tomorow. I seriously don't want to take an hour drive, both ways, in a hot car right now.
@Sakura - that's one issue that I simply don't understand about the rules. Like, I understand how the gemstone mine thing works, but what I don't understand is how can you play a spell without having mana in your mana pool. Like, the way it sounds, you can announce any old spell you want before paying the costs. If this is the case, what is preventing you from "announcing" an Akroma on your first turn then.. "Ooops! I have no mana!" and then she goes to the discard pile, you then play your swamp and reanimate her. I mean. I know that is ludacris, but that's kindof the point. It seems ridiculous to me that you can announce a spell without mana. You know?
Edit: Good god, you can tell I'm an old school player. I just called it a "discard pile"
Looks like our coffee team is on fire right now winning the first round hopefully we can continue our victories. That wouldve been nice if everyone from the house partipated in the tournament it wouldve been a coffeehouse band wagon standard team.
@alacar: dont worry alacar im worse then you when it comes to rules lol.
@shadowfox: hey shadow its good to see you again how are you?
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Yeah, it's a freakishly complex game when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Like, in order to play Decimate, all four targets must be present at the time of casting. But if something happens to one of the targets before it resolves, the spell still tries to resolve as best it can and will destroy the other three targets.
I just took another headache pill. I think I might be dehydrated because of my stomach virus thing. So I'm drinking lots of water as well.
The craptastic thing about it, is that I'm more then likely going to have to call off band practice tomorow. I seriously don't want to take an hour drive, both ways, in a hot car right now.
@Sakura - that's one issue that I simply don't understand about the rules. Like, I understand how the gemstone mine thing works, but what I don't understand is how can you play a spell without having mana in your mana pool. Like, the way it sounds, you can announce any old spell you want before paying the costs. If this is the case, what is preventing you from "announcing" an Akroma on your first turn then.. "Ooops! I have no mana!" and then she goes to the discard pile, you then play your swamp and reanimate her. I mean. I know that is ludacris, but that's kindof the point. It seems ridiculous to me that you can announce a spell without mana. You know?
Edit: Good god, you can tell I'm an old school player. I just called it a "discard pile"
You announce but dont reveal it. If you cant pay for it, it just sits in your hand.
Think of it this way; you have to choose a spell in hand before you can pay for it, and it needs legal targets before you can pay for it. It doesnt get actually played until you pay for it. So the game asks for targets before you pay, otherwise you could play spells without targets. Which is even sillier than the analogy you gave.
Hello everyone i won my first round in the standard tournament 2-1. Good news for you hunter i was playing against a solar flare like deck with damnations and reanimator and massive draw spell capabilities to bring back akroma angel of wrath and bogarden hellkite from the grave. Im glad i won 2-1 with a pure green aggro deck though. I thought i was going to lose but im glad i pulled it out. I love green aggro lol of course ive always liked the deck.
Sideboarding Strategies: I sided in 3 ohran vipers and 4 tormod's crypts. Tormod's crypt is rather obvious but ohran vipers are always good against control since its more of a tempo and card advantage game then anything else when playing against the archetype that is and having some draw makes the match easier since most control decks play with alot of draw well this one i played against did anyway. You actually equal yourself against control players since you have a quicker clock and also drawing cards as well.
See you all soon! *hugs and blows kisses*
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Good to hear ur doin well using the list I gave you. Im very proud. I really am. thanks you and keep up the good work kevin.
I wasn't looking for debate so much as a discussion actually. To debate would require conflicting views, which I don't think anyone in the house would have on this subject so much, at least not a big enough difference to equate to much of a real debate. I purposefully touched only lightly on some parts, in hopes someone like Mams would come along and have something to add.
About the gender stuff: i seriously am not affected by these arguments since I like all people for who they are, not for what they are.
Yeah i think i voted for mr. stuff since his avatar was pretty brilliant in my opinion and very original too. Thanks alacar and i hope you will win round 1 as well and im hoping crimson does the same as well lol that would be great if all 3 of us managed to top 8.
Fox: No, it doesn't work that way. If you play Boom, targeting your expanse and an opponent's, then sac the expanse for a land, Boom will be countered because it needs both targets in play when it resolves.
That's not how it works. As long as there is at least one legal target, the spell resolves as normal. The important thing is that both targets are in play when you announce the spell and choose targets, after that step, as long as one of the original targets is still in play, it goes off.
Choose/Declare the spell. Pick targets (mine). Tap mine for mana to pay for spell, mine dies because of no counters. Spell goes on stack.
It looks shifty in RL, but works within the rules and MTGO allows it. Its one of those plays that gets people telling you its a bug.
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413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that's moved out of the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process to determine its characteristics. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word "target," are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can't perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions.
You can cast a spell like boom/bust, target your expanse and an opponent's land, and sacrifice the expanse while you still have priority. And as boom/bust still having a legal target(which is ur opponents land), the boom/bust resolves, then leaves the stack.
Yeah decimate is one crazy card its pretty much a handicapped vindicate.
@hunter: i think your green deck i am playing with is a little bit better and more fun then my uw control that i played in regionals like during the onslaught/mirrodin era when i got 12th place at that big tournament. Hopefully i do better this time around though.
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By the way, guys, I started reading this book called The Bible (I think it's written by J.K Rowling?), and it looks like the main character dies in this chapter I am reading. I sort of thought that Noah would come back (I'm not sure where he has been since he left way back in the beginning), but apparently I was wrong.
I think it was by George Carlin, actually. Tolkien writes a new chapter or two every winter solstice. Funniest horror novel I ever read.
Well, since you gave away the ending (that's alright, I didn't think I would finish it anyway, it was sort of wordy), can I ask you- do we find out of Jesus is Buddha at the end of this one, or is that just crap that the fans made up for their fanfics? Also, who is your favorite pairing? I'm really liking Daniel x the Lions. They just have such a pure love.
:rofl:Classic. My favorite pairing is Houdini x the sawed-in-half-baby.
I wish I have a DS too so I can relate to what youre all talkin about. Unfortunately I have only enough money to buy a donut, And thats not even a chocolate-coated one.
Currently listenin to: Jesse Mcartney - Beautiful Soul*
DS is cool, but donuts from a dumpster are cheaper, and sometimes more satisfying. You can get donuts for free here in the house, also! Also...my wife would like some of your songs. I...nevermind.
You have it easy, every game that comes into my house is spoiled twice over long before I ever get the chance to pick it up nine times out of ten.
I've found that when I play games that others in my house have played, I tend to go out of my way to play the game in a completely different way than they did- I use different characters, try different sidequests, etc, because otherwise it would get boring for me.
I know how you feel. When I was still in the Army I bought a 360 and Oblivion. I played the game, and it was a great RPG. Then my wife got addicted to it and I just watch now. I've seen everything in it because she has. It'll be a long time until I feel I can pick it up and play myself again.
Hello everyone i won my first round in the standard tournament 2-1. Good news for you hunter i was playing against a solar flare like deck with damnations and reanimator and massive draw spell capabilities to bring back akroma angel of wrath and bogarden hellkite from the grave. Im glad i won 2-1 with a pure green aggro deck though. I thought i was going to lose but im glad i pulled it out. I love green aggro lol of course ive always liked the deck.
Sideboarding Strategies: ohran vipers are good and also drawing cards as well.
Nice sideboard tech, Kevin.;) LOL. Good job on the win. Mind showing me your decklist, probably in a PM?
I won round 1 of the tournament, 2-0. Dunno what to make of it though..
Good Job, you two! I take it the tournament was on MWS, right? If I wasn't so out of the loop on the current meta, I would've possibly played. Also: You should consider a 2-0 a good sign.:p Same for you: mind PMing your decklist/strategy? I don't know if they're making tournament reports.
@ Anyone who cares, I want a trophy for best avvy, hence the reason I change it each week.
I plan on having a trophy whenever I get off of my ass and knock 'em dead in a short story contest. I'm a skilled writer of short stories, poems, etc. and would love to be a novelist. Or archeologist, or something. My permanent back injury won't let me be a mercenary.
I wanted an avatar, but R&Doom ignored that, or something. I wanted Kill! Destroy!. Best Art ever. I'm still thankful for my awesome sig banner though.
@Yukora. Why are you apologizing? You're too nice for your own good at times. You did/said nothing rude. Two people spoke up about it and one was quite rude about it. So why are you the one apologizing?
@Shin'. No offense dude, but the only reason the person you were talking to percieved you to be a female is because that's how you want to be percieved. It's how the dirty old men get the 12 year old boys to meet them on the net. He makes the boy think that he's this cute lil girl, they meet up, then he has his way with them. As far as labeling people at birth, well duh. A baby comes out and it has a *****. Are you going to say that it's a boy, or are you going to tell the mother to wait a couple of years for the child to make it's own decision?
I just wanted to clarify that I am not calling shin a pedo. I am just saying that you are percieced online how you chose to be percieved. If you want people to think you are a woman, then you act like a woman. If you want them to think you're a man, you act like a man.
@hunter: i think your green deck i am playing with is a little bit better and more fun then my uw control that i played in regionals like during the onslaught/mirrodin era when i got 12th place at that big tournament. Hopefully i do better this time around though.
Thanks for using my list. Im glad youre doin fine with it. Maybe its not the deck Kev,
its the skills you have(ooh rhyme words)
I think the Meta back in Mirrodin was brutal, MGA decks back then were stronger than MGA today. Well anyway I like the MGH really..
DS is cool, but donuts from a dumpster are cheaper, and sometimes more satisfying. You can get donuts for free here in the house, also! Also...my wife would like some of your songs. I...nevermind.
Please say thanks to your wife for me. And gimme those donuts!
Nice sideboard tech, Kevin.;) LOL. Good job on the win. Mind showing me your decklist, probably in a PM?
Maybe ask me on the list..Well anyway..
I ran safe mode and cleaned my system from malwares and viruses again. My nod32 found 2 threats, my Spybot none, and my Ad-aware found 1. Oh well glad my computer is clean again. YEY!
Some topic btw, where is the Most Romantic Place you want your love to be with you?
For me, My fiance and me are always havin Romantic and good times when we are at amusement/theme parks. Riding the rollercoaster together, havin some good food, romantic times watching fireworks displays at night, and kissing each other before goin home..Its really a good thing to remember and cherish.
Currently listenin to: Stephen Bishop - It Might be you*
Nice sideboard tech, Kevin.;) LOL. Good job on the win. Mind showing me your decklist, probably in a PM?
Sure i can post my MGA list right here. Thanks for the compliment about the sideboard tech hehe.
I usually dont really mind posting my list considering it doesnt really effect my performance in tournaments any. Its pretty much the list that hunter gave me though with some minor changes.
Thanks for using my list. Im glad youre doin fine with it. Maybe its not the deck Kev,
its the skills you have(ooh rhyme words)
I think the Meta back in Mirrodin was brutal, MGA decks back then were stronger than MGA today. Well anyway I like the MGH really..
I like your MGH deck as well its cool. Yeah your welcome and i think im going to have alot of fun playing with mono green aggro again in a tournament. Yeah its probably mostly the player and not the deck so your right about that hunter. Thanks for your great compliments too.
Well this will probably will be my last post in the house for tonight. Ill see you all tommorrow though. I will also be on aol and msn for the remainder of the night before i head to bed if anyone wants to reach me. See you all soon! *hugs and blows kisses to everyone* Have a good night everyone!
@Shin'. No offense dude, but the only reason the person you were talking to percieved you to be a female is because that's how you want to be percieved.
What would be your point? Of course that's how she wants to be perceived. Why do you make assumptions about the thought process of the person she was talking to? Are you claiming that he saw her as female because he believed that is what she wanted? How does that make sense? Perhaps he observed what he thought of as feminine characteristics in her. The fact that she acts that way because she wants to be seen that way doesn't really change anything. You make insinuations about her motives, but that's illogical conflation. You do not propose any good reason to believe that her desire to be that way somehow means she's not genuinely that way.
And you're not proving any points by calling her Shin' or "dude." You know that she doesn't want to be addressed that way, and that she's asked people on several occasions not to, and you're doing it anyway. It's not up to you. You do not get to pick how she is addressed. If she asks you not to call her something, it's not for you to decide to keeping doing it. It's not about you, or whether or not you believe she's a woman.
You're intentionally treating someone in a way they've specifically asked not to be treated. You may attempt to say that you mean "no offense," but your action says otherwise. You know she finds it offensive, and you're doing it anyway without any good cause.
It's how the dirty old men get the 12 year old boys to meet them on the net. He makes the boy think that he's this cute lil girl, they meet up, then he has his way with them.
Again, conflating motive and intent. In that situation, someone is impersonating a certain persona by imitating recognizable behaviors, with intent to manipulate someone. If someone demonstrates some of the same recognizable behaviors, it doesn't make any sense to say that they must also be imitating those behaviors, and for the same reasons.
As far as labeling people at birth, well duh. A baby comes out and it has a *****. Are you going to say that it's a boy, or are you going to tell the mother to wait a couple of years for the child to make it's own decision?
There's a long tradition of cultural insensitivity toward intersexed people who, in some way or another, do not fit well into either gender category. And more pervasively than that, people tend to be defined by the criteria used to predict their gender - which means appearance and visible reproductive organs.
"Assigning" gender identity at birth is in effect a prediction about a person's overall gender identity using the most visibly sex-linked characteristic - reproductive system - as the criteria. Something like 99.5% of the time, this criteria is pretty accurate, but there are times when genitalia is not congruent with sex-linked neurological characteristics, which are what are the most relevent to a person's gender identity in a social and psychological sense. Contexts which have much more to do with a person's life and developing self than reproductive ability.
The problem isn't the lack of a surefire way of to predict overall gender. Intersexed children with genital ambiguities who aren't clearly male or female have often been "given" a sex identity because it's easier, and because it fits more neatly with how gender is treated - as if it were binary and homogenous. But more recently people have waited to see how children seemed to behave and which gender they associated themselves with.
You implicate that identifying a child with a ***** as a boy is best because it's easier. But identifying a child as a boy means a lot more than deciding what name to give them and what blanket to put them in. As I said, the issue isn't so much with accuracy of prediction, it's the nature of the prediction itself. The "assignment" is regarded like a brand of fate. If a child later comes to conflict with the gender identity they were assigned, the most reasonable thing to do is not to force it on them, just as it is to not force one on a kid who is visibly intersexed physiologically. It's that a person's assigned gender is used as way to determine which "destiny" that child gets, and if it later turns out to be incorrect, social figures aren't flexible.
The point is that assigning gender at birth shouldn't be such a big deal, deciding "Okay, this one's a boy, put it in the boy's-life category and raise it as a boy." You should observe a child's behavior to see what it's needs, temperament, and personality are like. Classifying a baby as a boy or girl need not be more than a means of sorting at that stage.
What reproductive system you have is kind of incidental to who you are, but it's wrongly and superficially treated as being the most important or relevent.
That waiting to "decide" a child's gender identity is more inconvenient is almost a non-factor.
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Some topic btw, where is the Most Romantic Place you want your love to be with you?
Two choices: Top of a mountain or half the awesome man-made structures high up in the sky in the world (Here's lookin at you Dreia! )
@Silent Prophet: Conventional wisdom - And it rings true. I think Sakura is mostly speaking to and about people that can actually make an informed decision (whenever that would be in life...) but it doesn't make what you said untrue.
There's a reason why there's a long tradition of "pre-birth" gender identity (for lack of a better term). After all it wasn't long ago when most work was done manually and mothers were expected to stay at home to take care of the children. This didn't mean that women COULDN'T do any of that stuff but rather that the idea of passed gender identity simplified roles of what was expected of each individual. For most this works perfectly as there are apparently some behaviors inherent to each gender that are linked genetically/hormonally (or at least this is what I was taught). And still works today with most individuals even though gender equality is very near - that is, high level public positions in certain fields have still yet to happen but, if you ask me, a high level of both genders can be found in just about any career/activity than I ever remember.
However, I do have one semi-related question: Is this pre-birth gender identity really a necessity today for humanity at large or is it looked on as a necessity because of popular culture and the many MANY years of doing this same thing in the history of humanity?
And on a totally unrelated note: That comment does prove one other thing... a lot of people in the 'House are a lot brighter than I am.
Edit: @Mamelon: I don't mean ill will by this at all - I just wish to make a note of sorts on a minor point in regards to your above post: I call women dude all the time... I dunno WHY this became a habit but its there and nobody really says anything bad in regards to it.
To SP tho, I would avoid calling her Shin'. There's a very strong reason why she chose to go thru this and change her name to Sakura. I know its been very emotional for her (see taking time off work) and so I think everythings still like "Pins = stabbing daggers" sensitive in regards to "minor" things like names. Minor's in quotes for a reason but that's a topic for another time.
Edit the 2nd: Also on another point I'd like to say something else... and it's going to irk more than a few people. Frankly, this issue irks me in one way - it sounds as though we have to treat the minority more like the majority. There's definitely a balance to be had when this happens but personally just because 0.5% of the population doesn't identify with the sex they were given at birth we can't treat the other 99.5% as thought they were the sex they were given at birth. I know people aren't actually saying this for a fact (or at least I don't think so from the tone of arguments and how you all have posted before) but that point nags me for some reason.
Note this doesn't mean that I can't and won't keep an open mind if this should happen with my child. I'd rather just work on it like the majority of humans would and then discuss it when he or she is well informed on what his or her body is telling them. Gotta always keep an open mind...
And sorry for this last part being a second edit... thought FF was gonna crash on me.
What's conventional wisdom? Silent Prophet's point was that the only reason people see Sakura as feminine is because that's what she wants. Sakura was saying that she appears to have a feminine personality, and the fact that she wants people to see that isn't enough information to change anything.
Also on another point I'd like to say something else... and it's going to irk more than a few people. Frankly, this issue irks me in one way - it sounds as though we have to treat the minority more like the majority.
I can see why you'd say that, but it's not really the case. It's not that we need to hold off assigning gender because there always that slim possibility the kid could be transgender. I don't know, it may be that Sakura was making that point, but I know I wasn't. In fact, I was purposefully trying to show how that wasn't the point.
Once again, I will repeat that what we need isn't some better way of predicting gender identity, but a more flexible perspective when it comes to how we treat and raise children as a culture. If a child who was born with a ***** starts acting like s/he wants to be treated like a girl, calls himself a girl, and engages in behaviors strongly associated as feminine, that child typically is met with reprimands and being told s/he can't act that way. Which is wrong, because there really isn't any good reason not to act that way if that's what comes naturally to the child.
We wouldn't be treating the minority like the majority because we needn't assume any significant number of transgender children to have a more realistic, flexible, and less rigid view of gender. Children are frequently taught there are certain ways they are supposed to act based on the gender they were assigned. Even with cisgender children, these prescriptions are often inappropriate or just discriminatory to begin with.
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
What's conventional wisdom? Silent Prophet's point was that the only reason people see Sakura as feminine is because that's what she wants. Sakura was saying that she appears to have a feminine personality, and the fact that she wants people to see that isn't enough information to change anything.
Lesson learned: Quote when important. Convention wisdom regarding this:
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As far as labeling people at birth, well duh. A baby comes out and it has a *****. Are you going to say that it's a boy, or are you going to tell the mother to wait a couple of years for the child to make it's own decision?
I mean this is pretty much how my corner of the world acts in regards to gender. Open isn't exactly what I would call this region...
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I can see why you'd say that, but it's not really the case. It's not that we need to hold off assigning gender because there always that slim possibility the kid could be transgender. I don't know, it may be that Sakura was making that point, but I know I wasn't. In fact, I was purposefully trying to show how that wasn't the point.
That's more or less why I said:
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I know people aren't actually saying this for a fact (or at least I don't think so from the tone of arguments and how you all have posted before) but that point nags me for some reason.
It was more a feeling than anything else and really that part of it didn't get de-emphasized enough for me to where I bypassed it. The point is understood enough now and I'm sorry for any misconceptions on my part.
Once again, I will repeat that what we need isn't some better way of predicting gender identity, but a more flexible perspective when it comes to how we treat and raise children as a culture. If a child who was born with a ***** starts acting like s/he wants to be treated like a girl, calls himself a girl, and engages in behaviors strongly associated as feminine, that child typically is met with reprimands and being told s/he can't act that way. Which is wrong, because there really isn't any good reason not to act that way if that's what comes naturally to the child.
No disagreements here... in fact, I'd say only agreements. Reprimanding such behavior reeks way too much of discrimination.
We wouldn't be treating the minority like the majority because we needn't assume any significant number of transgender children to have a more realistic, flexible, and less rigid view of gender. Children are frequently taught there are certain ways they are supposed to act based on the gender they were assigned. Even with cisgender children, these prescriptions are often inappropriate or just discriminatory to begin with.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that we should expect everyone, transgendered and non-transgendered alike, to have similar preconceptions? If that's so, and I dearly hope I'm not misreading it, isn't the idea to progress forward where people are more open-minded about such issues?
I think it was by George Carlin, actually. Tolkien writes a new chapter or two every winter solstice. Funniest horror novel I ever read.
Good Job, you two! I take it the tournament was on MWS, right? If I wasn't so out of the loop on the current meta, I would've possibly played. Also: You should consider a 2-0 a good sign.:p Same for you: mind PMing your decklist/strategy? I don't know if they're making tournament reports.
I wanted an avatar, but R&Doom ignored that, or something. I wanted Kill! Destroy!. Best Art ever. I'm still thankful for my awesome sig banner though.
1) Actually, George signed on to do the sequel: Bible II: Armageddon. He was considering calling it The Bible Goes West, but decided not to on copyright issues.
2) Thanks! I guess 2-0 is a good sign, but my opponent played a monoblue morph/Teferi deck. I guess it was some form of Soggy Pickles. Anyways, here's the decklist. I guess there's no harm in showing it.
What's conventional wisdom? Silent Prophet's point was that the only reason people see Sakura as feminine is because that's what she wants.
I've only known Sakura as a woman, sorry. She's just got the wrong plumbing. Not her fault. And shame on you people who see her as a guy turning into a woman. She's Sakura, and she is woman. Hear her roar
Well.. watched Little Miss Sunshine again. I love that movie..
No disagreements here... in fact, I'd say only agreements. Reprimanding such behavior reeks way too much of discrimination.
In fact, it is discrimination.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that we should expect everyone, transgendered and non-transgendered alike, to have similar preconceptions? If that's so, and I dearly hope I'm not misreading it, isn't the idea to progress forward where people are more open-minded about such issues?
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Similar preconceptions? In what way? I don't understand how what I said suggested that people need to be less open-minded about such things.
My point was that in cultures like ours, many children are raised with very strict, rigid, and stereotyped ideas of gender, or at least those which are somewhat rigid and stereotyped. Children are allowed or disallowed behaviors which are basically neutral based on assigned sex identity, even though their sex identity doesn't necessarily determine how appropriate those behaviors are for them. And even if it were, these allowances are often moralized and made to seem more important than they are.
An example: what if, as a boy, your parents made you play sports growing up? What if you don't want to? You don't have to be trans to not to want play sports as a boy. Maybe you have other interests. But for some reason, many parents believe that athletics is something that boy children should be involved in, and they either require it, or urge athletics in boy children while discouraging it or being neutral about it in girl children.
Mind you, that might not be a great example, since more parents these days are probably less concerned with athletics and its associated with gender. However, it's still something divied up among the genders, though there are better examples.
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. Similar preconceptions? In what way? I don't understand how what I said suggested that people need to be less open-minded about such things.
My point was that in cultures like ours, many children are raised with very strict, rigid, and stereotyped ideas of gender, or at least those which are somewhat rigid and stereotyped. Children are allowed or disallowed behaviors which are basically neutral based on assigned sex identity, even though their sex identity doesn't necessarily determine how appropriate those behaviors are for them. And even if it were, these allowances are often moralized and made to seem more important than they are.
An example: what if, as a boy, your parents made you play sports growing up? What if you don't want to? You don't have to be trans to not to want play sports as boy. Maybe you have other interests. But for some reason, many parents believe that athletics is something that boy children should be involved in, and they either require it, or urge athletics in boy children while discouraging it or being neutral about it in girl children.
Mind you, that might not be a great example, since more parents these days are probably less concerned with athletics and its associated with gender. However, it's still something divied up among the genders, though there are better examples.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I dunno where I got messed up but i see the point you were trying to make before clear as day now. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
Sure i can post my MGA list right here. Thanks for the compliment about the sideboard tech hehe.
I usually dont really mind posting my list considering it doesnt really effect my performance in tournaments any. Its pretty much the list that hunter gave me though with some minor changes.
I like your MGH deck as well its cool. Yeah your welcome and i think im going to have alot of fun playing with mono green aggro again in a tournament. Yeah its probably mostly the player and not the deck so your right about that hunter. Thanks for your great compliments too.
I think its not a compliment..Its a fact. Well anyway I love seeing baru on the list. keep up the good work master.^_^
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Yeah. And Im tired of reading and somewhat "memorizing" them especially when it is updated. Geez.
1) Actually, George signed on to do the sequel: Bible II: Armageddon. He was considering calling it The Bible Goes West, but decided not to on copyright issues.
2) Thanks! I guess 2-0 is a good sign, but my opponent played a monoblue morph/Teferi deck. I guess it was some form of Soggy Pickles. Anyways, here's the decklist. I guess there's no harm in showing it.
I've only known Sakura as a woman, sorry. She's just got the wrong plumbing. Not her fault. And shame on you people who see her as a guy turning into a woman. She's Sakura, and she is woman. Hear her roar
Me too. I was probably late when I noticed the name change, but when I called her shin it was not intentional, its just that I didnt noticed she changed her name. And for doin so, I was named Emily. Then came Mamelon, Callin me Cynthia. And then Kraj came and called me Margo.:) All that just by callin Sakura wrong..Well anyway Im glad.
I really like Sakura-babe-a-gorgeous(im not hittin on her Alacar) and I dont see why we are havi these arguments. We just got to like persons for WHO they are and not for WHAT they are. Seein a person's attitude and goodness is what's important. Its on the inside folks.
it's sort of strange. Of all the issues my parents dealt with when I was growing up, they were oddly liberal on this particular point.
My parents let me do as I pleased when it came to gender identity. If my dad saw me playing with dolls with my cousin (the only one my own age is a girl), he'd shrug, knowing that no harm would come of it.
My parents have never made me do anything based purely on my gender. My parents forced nothing upon me. They never made me play sports, they never said 'be a man'.
I tended to associate with girls more than boys throughout elementary and middle school. I could relate to them better. I was a 'non-traditional' person, still am.
My ramblings have one major point; I was not raised as a 'boy', I was simply raised. Doing this had no ill effects on me, and I am both physically and mentally a man.
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it's sort of strange. Of all the issues my parents dealt with when I was growing up, they were oddly liberal on this particular point.
My parents let me do as I pleased when it came to gender identity. If my dad saw me playing with dolls with my cousin (the only one my own age is a girl), he'd shrug, knowing that no harm would come of it.
My parents have never made me do anything based purely on my gender. My parents forced nothing upon me. They never made me play sports, they never said 'be a man'.
I tended to associate with girls more than boys throughout elementary and middle school. I could relate to them better. I was a 'non-traditional' person, still am.
My ramblings have one major point; I was not raised as a 'boy', I was simply raised. Doing this had no ill effects on me, and I am both physically and mentally a man.
Psychoburner, thank you for writing this post. This is exactly what I am talking about. What I am saying is that all parents should adopt this attitude. Not raise their children based on a preconceived ideal as to how a boy or girl should be, but to just raise their child based on the child's personal nature, and not try to force them to act in a certain way because of being a boy or girl. They'll still be able to do boy things and girl things, and will still have their gender identity. It just won't be forced. As you said, you are still a man, and you see yourself as a man.
The notion that people should be allowed to force their ideas about gender on others, especially their children, is what I'm saying is wrong. I do not advocate in any way the devising of a new system of ideals to force on people, such as making your kids act androgynously if they don't want to. That would be just as bad.
I just want to repeat for the sake of clarity that the whole thrust of my position is to not force a gender identity or a personality on a child. This means not acting like their gender assigned at birth somehow determines who they are allowed to be. And if a child does appear to not identity with the sex identity assigned at birth, that's the time to adapt and accomodate the child where necessary. Let them act how they will, perhaps give them a different name, etc.
Incidentally, my parents were also pretty neutral about it most of the time. They let me play with whatever I wanted and never tried to force me to live up to any traditional standard of gender. The only thing they didn't let me do was act in very clearly female ways, such as calling myself 'she,' or other feminine descriptors like daughter, mom (for my animals), sister, etc, or wearing obvious female clothes. And even that they only didn't le me do in most public places. Since I did those things all the time from a very early age, it came up a lot, but they still never tried to force me to "be a boy" when it came to my private activities or my personality.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I dunno where I got messed up but i see the point you were trying to make before clear as day now. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
It's cool. Sorry if I was unclear myself. I knew you weren't being argumentative, just making a point. Hope I didn't seem argumentative either.
@Hunter: I was only teasing about the Cynthia thing. I have no intention of actually calling you that, especially since you said you didn't want to be called that.
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1. The parents are planning a trip to Blennerhasset Island tomorrow, which is the island manor where Aaron Burr supposedly plotted treason with Harman Blennerhassett back in the 1800's. Thusly, I have called in sick to work. I didn't want to work on Mother's Day anyway.
2. I took a trip to the Huntington mall today to go shopping. I bought the first manga I've ever had the pleasure of owning: Full Metal Panic Overload, Volumes 1&2. I also bought a green shirt that reads:
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It's from WOW, but it could pretty much be from any generic RPG. Fun stuff. The third thing I got was an adorable plush of Sumomo the squirrel from Samurai Champloo. I also picked up my mother's mother's day present, of course. I got her a book with cute pictures of different breeds of small dogs, since she loves dogs and in fact used to work as a veterinary assisstant.
I'm very tired right now. I know I keep saying I'll catch up, and then getting further behind... but I really will some time. Maybe just not this week. Ugh.
@Hunter: I was only teasing about the Cynthia thing. I have no intention of actually calling you that, especially since you said you didn't want to be called that.
2. I took a trip to the Huntington mall today to go shopping. I bought the first manga I've ever had the pleasure of owning: Full Metal Panic Overload, Volumes 1&2. I also bought a green shirt that reads:
I would like to have that..Very Cool Shirt! Anyway I always buy shirts from Spoofs.Inc and here are some of the best logos they have spoofed
1. Starbucks was spoofed to : StarBuko (buko means coconut here in the phil)
2. Horny Peter and the Sorcerer's daughter
3. Tag heuer spoofed into Tag Hirap(which means, I have no money)
4. Intel inside spoofed into Inutel Inside(Inutel means Useless person)
5. Lord of the Pranings (Pranings means a psycho)
and many more like Polo Sport spoofed into Bolo Sport (a Bolo is some kind of Blade used for chopping wood)
Thanks for the custom made avvy. I guess makin the hair move is hard. But still hopin. Anyway I super love the eyeglas glimmering. Thanks A BunCH!!!!
i opened one in a fat pack, and i really want to bring it to a big tournament and have the artist draw a tiny Colossus in the background...just like your avatar.
Bleah, I need to eat a real meal instead of just crackers n cheese. BRB
That's not how it works. As long as there is at least one legal target, the spell resolves as normal. The important thing is that both targets are in play when you announce the spell and choose targets, after that step, as long as one of the original targets is still in play, it goes off.
You can actually do the same thing with gemstone mine suprisingly enough, and Ghost quarter.
My head is still killing me, but I felt I should jump in on this one.
Anyway, anyone up for a game of Custom Standard with the new revamped Academy block? I've got it all set up again and I'm itching to play.
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The way it works with Gemstone mine is asfollows.
Choose/Declare the spell. Pick targets (mine). Tap mine for mana to pay for spell, mine dies because of no counters. Spell goes on stack.
It looks shifty in RL, but works within the rules and MTGO allows it. Its one of those plays that gets people telling you its a bug.
Yeah, it's a freakishly complex game when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Like, in order to play Decimate, all four targets must be present at the time of casting. But if something happens to one of the targets before it resolves, the spell still tries to resolve as best it can and will destroy the other three targets.
I just took another headache pill. I think I might be dehydrated because of my stomach virus thing. So I'm drinking lots of water as well.
The craptastic thing about it, is that I'm more then likely going to have to call off band practice tomorow. I seriously don't want to take an hour drive, both ways, in a hot car right now.
@Sakura - that's one issue that I simply don't understand about the rules. Like, I understand how the gemstone mine thing works, but what I don't understand is how can you play a spell without having mana in your mana pool. Like, the way it sounds, you can announce any old spell you want before paying the costs. If this is the case, what is preventing you from "announcing" an Akroma on your first turn then.. "Ooops! I have no mana!" and then she goes to the discard pile, you then play your swamp and reanimate her. I mean. I know that is ludacris, but that's kindof the point. It seems ridiculous to me that you can announce a spell without mana. You know?
Edit: Good god, you can tell I'm an old school player. I just called it a "discard pile"
@alacar: dont worry alacar im worse then you when it comes to rules lol.
@shadowfox: hey shadow its good to see you again how are you?
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You announce but dont reveal it. If you cant pay for it, it just sits in your hand.
Think of it this way; you have to choose a spell in hand before you can pay for it, and it needs legal targets before you can pay for it. It doesnt get actually played until you pay for it. So the game asks for targets before you pay, otherwise you could play spells without targets. Which is even sillier than the analogy you gave.
Good to hear ur doin well using the list I gave you. Im very proud. I really am. thanks you and keep up the good work kevin.
Thank Crimsy. You really are all around.
HohO! If you have seen the dog havin his hots for the cat, you'll probably burst out of laughter!
Thanks for the compliment. About the MGA....EHEM!!!!^_^
About the gender stuff: i seriously am not affected by these arguments since I like all people for who they are, not for what they are.
I always loved mr stuffs avvy.
You can cast a spell like boom/bust, target your expanse and an opponent's land, and sacrifice the expanse while you still have priority. And as boom/bust still having a legal target(which is ur opponents land), the boom/bust resolves, then leaves the stack.
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@hunter: i think your green deck i am playing with is a little bit better and more fun then my uw control that i played in regionals like during the onslaught/mirrodin era when i got 12th place at that big tournament. Hopefully i do better this time around though.
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I think it was by George Carlin, actually. Tolkien writes a new chapter or two every winter solstice. Funniest horror novel I ever read.
I hear rumors of them getting the divorce finalized, but living together anyway, all so we have a shiny new sitcom to not watch.
:rofl:Classic. My favorite pairing is Houdini x the sawed-in-half-baby.
DS is cool, but donuts from a dumpster are cheaper, and sometimes more satisfying. You can get donuts for free here in the house, also! Also...my wife would like some of your songs. I...nevermind.
I know how you feel. When I was still in the Army I bought a 360 and Oblivion. I played the game, and it was a great RPG. Then my wife got addicted to it and I just watch now. I've seen everything in it because she has. It'll be a long time until I feel I can pick it up and play myself again.
Nice sideboard tech, Kevin.;) LOL. Good job on the win. Mind showing me your decklist, probably in a PM?
Good Job, you two! I take it the tournament was on MWS, right? If I wasn't so out of the loop on the current meta, I would've possibly played. Also: You should consider a 2-0 a good sign.:p Same for you: mind PMing your decklist/strategy? I don't know if they're making tournament reports.
I plan on having a trophy whenever I get off of my ass and knock 'em dead in a short story contest. I'm a skilled writer of short stories, poems, etc. and would love to be a novelist. Or archeologist, or something. My permanent back injury won't let me be a mercenary.
I wanted an avatar, but R&Doom ignored that, or something. I wanted Kill! Destroy!. Best Art ever. I'm still thankful for my awesome sig banner though.
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@Shin'. No offense dude, but the only reason the person you were talking to percieved you to be a female is because that's how you want to be percieved. It's how the dirty old men get the 12 year old boys to meet them on the net. He makes the boy think that he's this cute lil girl, they meet up, then he has his way with them. As far as labeling people at birth, well duh. A baby comes out and it has a *****. Are you going to say that it's a boy, or are you going to tell the mother to wait a couple of years for the child to make it's own decision?
I just wanted to clarify that I am not calling shin a pedo. I am just saying that you are percieced online how you chose to be percieved. If you want people to think you are a woman, then you act like a woman. If you want them to think you're a man, you act like a man.
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Thanks for using my list. Im glad youre doin fine with it. Maybe its not the deck Kev,
its the skills you have(ooh rhyme words)
I think the Meta back in Mirrodin was brutal, MGA decks back then were stronger than MGA today. Well anyway I like the MGH really..
Please say thanks to your wife for me. And gimme those donuts!
Maybe ask me on the list..Well anyway..
I ran safe mode and cleaned my system from malwares and viruses again. My nod32 found 2 threats, my Spybot none, and my Ad-aware found 1. Oh well glad my computer is clean again. YEY!
Some topic btw, where is the Most Romantic Place you want your love to be with you?
For me, My fiance and me are always havin Romantic and good times when we are at amusement/theme parks. Riding the rollercoaster together, havin some good food, romantic times watching fireworks displays at night, and kissing each other before goin home..Its really a good thing to remember and cherish.
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Sure i can post my MGA list right here. Thanks for the compliment about the sideboard tech hehe.
I usually dont really mind posting my list considering it doesnt really effect my performance in tournaments any. Its pretty much the list that hunter gave me though with some minor changes.
1 Pendelhaven
19 Forest
Creatures
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Dryad Sophisticate
4 Scryb Ranger
3 Spectral Force
2 Birds of paradise
2 Baru, Fist of Krosa
4 Stonewood Invocation
3 Might of old Krosa
3 Moldervine Cloak
3 Loxodon Warhammer
4 Leyline of lifeforce
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Ohran Viper
4 Krosan Grip
I like your MGH deck as well its cool. Yeah your welcome and i think im going to have alot of fun playing with mono green aggro again in a tournament. Yeah its probably mostly the player and not the deck so your right about that hunter. Thanks for your great compliments too.
Well this will probably will be my last post in the house for tonight. Ill see you all tommorrow though. I will also be on aol and msn for the remainder of the night before i head to bed if anyone wants to reach me. See you all soon! *hugs and blows kisses to everyone* Have a good night everyone!
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And you're not proving any points by calling her Shin' or "dude." You know that she doesn't want to be addressed that way, and that she's asked people on several occasions not to, and you're doing it anyway. It's not up to you. You do not get to pick how she is addressed. If she asks you not to call her something, it's not for you to decide to keeping doing it. It's not about you, or whether or not you believe she's a woman.
You're intentionally treating someone in a way they've specifically asked not to be treated. You may attempt to say that you mean "no offense," but your action says otherwise. You know she finds it offensive, and you're doing it anyway without any good cause.
Again, conflating motive and intent. In that situation, someone is impersonating a certain persona by imitating recognizable behaviors, with intent to manipulate someone. If someone demonstrates some of the same recognizable behaviors, it doesn't make any sense to say that they must also be imitating those behaviors, and for the same reasons.
There's a long tradition of cultural insensitivity toward intersexed people who, in some way or another, do not fit well into either gender category. And more pervasively than that, people tend to be defined by the criteria used to predict their gender - which means appearance and visible reproductive organs.
"Assigning" gender identity at birth is in effect a prediction about a person's overall gender identity using the most visibly sex-linked characteristic - reproductive system - as the criteria. Something like 99.5% of the time, this criteria is pretty accurate, but there are times when genitalia is not congruent with sex-linked neurological characteristics, which are what are the most relevent to a person's gender identity in a social and psychological sense. Contexts which have much more to do with a person's life and developing self than reproductive ability.
The problem isn't the lack of a surefire way of to predict overall gender. Intersexed children with genital ambiguities who aren't clearly male or female have often been "given" a sex identity because it's easier, and because it fits more neatly with how gender is treated - as if it were binary and homogenous. But more recently people have waited to see how children seemed to behave and which gender they associated themselves with.
You implicate that identifying a child with a ***** as a boy is best because it's easier. But identifying a child as a boy means a lot more than deciding what name to give them and what blanket to put them in. As I said, the issue isn't so much with accuracy of prediction, it's the nature of the prediction itself. The "assignment" is regarded like a brand of fate. If a child later comes to conflict with the gender identity they were assigned, the most reasonable thing to do is not to force it on them, just as it is to not force one on a kid who is visibly intersexed physiologically. It's that a person's assigned gender is used as way to determine which "destiny" that child gets, and if it later turns out to be incorrect, social figures aren't flexible.
The point is that assigning gender at birth shouldn't be such a big deal, deciding "Okay, this one's a boy, put it in the boy's-life category and raise it as a boy." You should observe a child's behavior to see what it's needs, temperament, and personality are like. Classifying a baby as a boy or girl need not be more than a means of sorting at that stage.
What reproductive system you have is kind of incidental to who you are, but it's wrongly and superficially treated as being the most important or relevent.
That waiting to "decide" a child's gender identity is more inconvenient is almost a non-factor.
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@Silent Prophet: Conventional wisdom - And it rings true. I think Sakura is mostly speaking to and about people that can actually make an informed decision (whenever that would be in life...) but it doesn't make what you said untrue.
There's a reason why there's a long tradition of "pre-birth" gender identity (for lack of a better term). After all it wasn't long ago when most work was done manually and mothers were expected to stay at home to take care of the children. This didn't mean that women COULDN'T do any of that stuff but rather that the idea of passed gender identity simplified roles of what was expected of each individual. For most this works perfectly as there are apparently some behaviors inherent to each gender that are linked genetically/hormonally (or at least this is what I was taught). And still works today with most individuals even though gender equality is very near - that is, high level public positions in certain fields have still yet to happen but, if you ask me, a high level of both genders can be found in just about any career/activity than I ever remember.
However, I do have one semi-related question: Is this pre-birth gender identity really a necessity today for humanity at large or is it looked on as a necessity because of popular culture and the many MANY years of doing this same thing in the history of humanity?
And on a totally unrelated note: That comment does prove one other thing... a lot of people in the 'House are a lot brighter than I am.
Edit: @Mamelon: I don't mean ill will by this at all - I just wish to make a note of sorts on a minor point in regards to your above post: I call women dude all the time... I dunno WHY this became a habit but its there and nobody really says anything bad in regards to it.
To SP tho, I would avoid calling her Shin'. There's a very strong reason why she chose to go thru this and change her name to Sakura. I know its been very emotional for her (see taking time off work) and so I think everythings still like "Pins = stabbing daggers" sensitive in regards to "minor" things like names. Minor's in quotes for a reason but that's a topic for another time.
Edit the 2nd: Also on another point I'd like to say something else... and it's going to irk more than a few people. Frankly, this issue irks me in one way - it sounds as though we have to treat the minority more like the majority. There's definitely a balance to be had when this happens but personally just because 0.5% of the population doesn't identify with the sex they were given at birth we can't treat the other 99.5% as thought they were the sex they were given at birth. I know people aren't actually saying this for a fact (or at least I don't think so from the tone of arguments and how you all have posted before) but that point nags me for some reason.
Note this doesn't mean that I can't and won't keep an open mind if this should happen with my child. I'd rather just work on it like the majority of humans would and then discuss it when he or she is well informed on what his or her body is telling them. Gotta always keep an open mind...
And sorry for this last part being a second edit... thought FF was gonna crash on me.
I can see why you'd say that, but it's not really the case. It's not that we need to hold off assigning gender because there always that slim possibility the kid could be transgender. I don't know, it may be that Sakura was making that point, but I know I wasn't. In fact, I was purposefully trying to show how that wasn't the point.
Once again, I will repeat that what we need isn't some better way of predicting gender identity, but a more flexible perspective when it comes to how we treat and raise children as a culture. If a child who was born with a ***** starts acting like s/he wants to be treated like a girl, calls himself a girl, and engages in behaviors strongly associated as feminine, that child typically is met with reprimands and being told s/he can't act that way. Which is wrong, because there really isn't any good reason not to act that way if that's what comes naturally to the child.
We wouldn't be treating the minority like the majority because we needn't assume any significant number of transgender children to have a more realistic, flexible, and less rigid view of gender. Children are frequently taught there are certain ways they are supposed to act based on the gender they were assigned. Even with cisgender children, these prescriptions are often inappropriate or just discriminatory to begin with.
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Lesson learned: Quote when important. Convention wisdom regarding this:
I mean this is pretty much how my corner of the world acts in regards to gender. Open isn't exactly what I would call this region...
That's more or less why I said:
It was more a feeling than anything else and really that part of it didn't get de-emphasized enough for me to where I bypassed it. The point is understood enough now and I'm sorry for any misconceptions on my part.
No disagreements here... in fact, I'd say only agreements. Reprimanding such behavior reeks way too much of discrimination.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that we should expect everyone, transgendered and non-transgendered alike, to have similar preconceptions? If that's so, and I dearly hope I'm not misreading it, isn't the idea to progress forward where people are more open-minded about such issues?
2) Thanks! I guess 2-0 is a good sign, but my opponent played a monoblue morph/Teferi deck. I guess it was some form of Soggy Pickles. Anyways, here's the decklist. I guess there's no harm in showing it.
2 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Island
2 Steam Vents
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Flagstones of Trokair
Creatures
3 Lightning Angel
3 Serra Avenger
4 Firemane Angel
2 Magus of the Disk
4 Looter il-Kor
2 Spirit Loop
4 Char
3 Electrolyze
4 Psionic Blast
4 Lightning Helix
3 Resurrection
4 Wrath of God
4 Soul Warden
4 Disenchant
3 Trickbind
2 Spirit Loop
2 Teferi's Moat
3) I can do an avatar for you, if you want! No problem. Kill! Destroy! you say? Works for me.
Probably in my arms. That would be awful romantic, don't you think?
I've only known Sakura as a woman, sorry. She's just got the wrong plumbing. Not her fault. And shame on you people who see her as a guy turning into a woman. She's Sakura, and she is woman. Hear her roar
Well.. watched Little Miss Sunshine again. I love that movie..
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. Similar preconceptions? In what way? I don't understand how what I said suggested that people need to be less open-minded about such things.
My point was that in cultures like ours, many children are raised with very strict, rigid, and stereotyped ideas of gender, or at least those which are somewhat rigid and stereotyped. Children are allowed or disallowed behaviors which are basically neutral based on assigned sex identity, even though their sex identity doesn't necessarily determine how appropriate those behaviors are for them. And even if it were, these allowances are often moralized and made to seem more important than they are.
An example: what if, as a boy, your parents made you play sports growing up? What if you don't want to? You don't have to be trans to not to want play sports as a boy. Maybe you have other interests. But for some reason, many parents believe that athletics is something that boy children should be involved in, and they either require it, or urge athletics in boy children while discouraging it or being neutral about it in girl children.
Mind you, that might not be a great example, since more parents these days are probably less concerned with athletics and its associated with gender. However, it's still something divied up among the genders, though there are better examples.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
Gaymers | Magic Coffeehouse | Little Jar of Mamelon | Natural 20
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I dunno where I got messed up but i see the point you were trying to make before clear as day now. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
I think its not a compliment..Its a fact. Well anyway I love seeing baru on the list. keep up the good work master.^_^
Yeah. And Im tired of reading and somewhat "memorizing" them especially when it is updated. Geez.
Thats a lovely choice. Well guess you have to know so many people to know many places too.
Ive seen you posted it at the standard forums. I replied. I hope youve noticed. Anyway its a decent list.^_^
Too Lovely. But with that coming from a true romantic, good call.
Me too. I was probably late when I noticed the name change, but when I called her shin it was not intentional, its just that I didnt noticed she changed her name. And for doin so, I was named Emily. Then came Mamelon, Callin me Cynthia. And then Kraj came and called me Margo.:) All that just by callin Sakura wrong..Well anyway Im glad.
I really like Sakura-babe-a-gorgeous(im not hittin on her Alacar) and I dont see why we are havi these arguments. We just got to like persons for WHO they are and not for WHAT they are. Seein a person's attitude and goodness is what's important. Its on the inside folks.
I like Mamelon too. Nuff said.
*Currenlty listenin to: breathe - How can I fall*
Monogreen 2007 | Jund Aggro MTGO 2013
My parents let me do as I pleased when it came to gender identity. If my dad saw me playing with dolls with my cousin (the only one my own age is a girl), he'd shrug, knowing that no harm would come of it.
My parents have never made me do anything based purely on my gender. My parents forced nothing upon me. They never made me play sports, they never said 'be a man'.
I tended to associate with girls more than boys throughout elementary and middle school. I could relate to them better. I was a 'non-traditional' person, still am.
My ramblings have one major point; I was not raised as a 'boy', I was simply raised. Doing this had no ill effects on me, and I am both physically and mentally a man.
Psychoburner, thank you for writing this post. This is exactly what I am talking about. What I am saying is that all parents should adopt this attitude. Not raise their children based on a preconceived ideal as to how a boy or girl should be, but to just raise their child based on the child's personal nature, and not try to force them to act in a certain way because of being a boy or girl. They'll still be able to do boy things and girl things, and will still have their gender identity. It just won't be forced. As you said, you are still a man, and you see yourself as a man.
The notion that people should be allowed to force their ideas about gender on others, especially their children, is what I'm saying is wrong. I do not advocate in any way the devising of a new system of ideals to force on people, such as making your kids act androgynously if they don't want to. That would be just as bad.
I just want to repeat for the sake of clarity that the whole thrust of my position is to not force a gender identity or a personality on a child. This means not acting like their gender assigned at birth somehow determines who they are allowed to be. And if a child does appear to not identity with the sex identity assigned at birth, that's the time to adapt and accomodate the child where necessary. Let them act how they will, perhaps give them a different name, etc.
Incidentally, my parents were also pretty neutral about it most of the time. They let me play with whatever I wanted and never tried to force me to live up to any traditional standard of gender. The only thing they didn't let me do was act in very clearly female ways, such as calling myself 'she,' or other feminine descriptors like daughter, mom (for my animals), sister, etc, or wearing obvious female clothes. And even that they only didn't le me do in most public places. Since I did those things all the time from a very early age, it came up a lot, but they still never tried to force me to "be a boy" when it came to my private activities or my personality.
It's cool. Sorry if I was unclear myself. I knew you weren't being argumentative, just making a point. Hope I didn't seem argumentative either.
@Hunter: I was only teasing about the Cynthia thing. I have no intention of actually calling you that, especially since you said you didn't want to be called that.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
Gaymers | Magic Coffeehouse | Little Jar of Mamelon | Natural 20
1. The parents are planning a trip to Blennerhasset Island tomorrow, which is the island manor where Aaron Burr supposedly plotted treason with Harman Blennerhassett back in the 1800's. Thusly, I have called in sick to work. I didn't want to work on Mother's Day anyway.
2. I took a trip to the Huntington mall today to go shopping. I bought the first manga I've ever had the pleasure of owning: Full Metal Panic Overload, Volumes 1&2. I also bought a green shirt that reads:
It's from WOW, but it could pretty much be from any generic RPG. Fun stuff. The third thing I got was an adorable plush of Sumomo the squirrel from Samurai Champloo. I also picked up my mother's mother's day present, of course. I got her a book with cute pictures of different breeds of small dogs, since she loves dogs and in fact used to work as a veterinary assisstant.
I'm very tired right now. I know I keep saying I'll catch up, and then getting further behind... but I really will some time. Maybe just not this week. Ugh.
*passes out*
yeah. tease me alot. Ill like you more.
I like Mamelon a bunch. Nuff said.
I would like to have that..Very Cool Shirt! Anyway I always buy shirts from Spoofs.Inc and here are some of the best logos they have spoofed
1. Starbucks was spoofed to : StarBuko (buko means coconut here in the phil)
2. Horny Peter and the Sorcerer's daughter
3. Tag heuer spoofed into Tag Hirap(which means, I have no money)
4. Intel inside spoofed into Inutel Inside(Inutel means Useless person)
5. Lord of the Pranings (Pranings means a psycho)
and many more like Polo Sport spoofed into Bolo Sport (a Bolo is some kind of Blade used for chopping wood)
Thanks for the custom made avvy. I guess makin the hair move is hard. But still hopin. Anyway I super love the eyeglas glimmering. Thanks A BunCH!!!!
Currently listenin to: Eminem - Slim Shady*
Monogreen 2007 | Jund Aggro MTGO 2013