Well, I'm rather indifferent to the whole policy, because (as you said) to enlist in the military is a choice, and there are a litany of conditions that they consent to meet, including this one.
I don't like it more because I don't like being told what I can't do more than anything else. Especially if I can't do something and others can. I'm a tantrum-throwing dick that way.
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
I don't know what to do. Being Bi is harder than it would seem. You like guys and girls, but you realize you could only have one or the other. By the way, I haven't broken it to my parents that i'm bisexual. What would they say if I did?!
I hear ya. But this is important: you do not have to have it one way or the other. If you think that is the case, then why even bother identifying yourself as bi? Just pick one and go with it.
The fact is, you do not have to swear off women just because you like men or vice versa. Yes, it's more complicated. And yes, some people will treat you differently because you are bi (yes, some gay people even look down on bi people, as insane as that is). But you are not limited.
And, pardon me for shouting, but I can't think of any piece of advice more important than this when it comes to communicating with your parents...DO NOT TELL YOUR PARENTS UNTIL YOU ARE SURE! For the love of God. Unless your parents are 100% cool with it, it's hard enough for them to deal with a gay/bi/whatever child, but it's much worse to jerk them around about it or leave things ambiguous.
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Meanwhile.... Even if you think this guy might be gay you don't have to tell him that YOU are. Just find out if HE is. No sense in putting yourself out there for no reason right? Take the approach that causes you less harm in the long run... or any run for that matter. Just find out if he likes boys or is thinking about it without admitting that you do. If he is then you'll be more comfortable asking him to experiment with you.
Mikey: No more Colin? I mean I know you're moving so it would difficult to still be in a pseudo relationship with him. Who's the girl you flip flopped on?
Cam: My question is, how will Chris feel when you show up with the new boy (cuz no matter what you think, I'M positive you guys will get along)
Trenton: Haha. Girls or guys girls or guys girls or guys. Let's see... Slow your roll seems to be the advice of the day. Who do you have more in common with? Go with them.
Nick: Don't ask Don't Tell. Hah. I have no clue what it's for but I agree, I'm using it as an excuse not to ever go into the military. Every time I get those Navy emails I laugh and email them back "I'm GAY"
Kraj: Hehe. Or just don't tell them at all They don't really need to know unless you rely on them to fix you up with people lol. Let them find out when you introduce your boyfriend
Hell, My parents arent going to find out any time soon. While I'm 95% sure I am bi, I'm not going to say a damn thing until I'm 1000% sure.
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Trenton: Haha. Girls or guys girls or guys girls or guys. Let's see... Slow your roll seems to be the advice of the day. Who do you have more in common with? Go with them.
Good advice... I guess I should practice what I preach
Oh well, right now I just feel sorta desperate. *sigh*
Oh, and congrats on actually READING throught the thread, Blue
Mikey: No more Colin? I mean I know you're moving so it would difficult to still be in a pseudo relationship with him.
No more Colin. That flight is crashing before it even leaves the airstrip.
Who's the girl you flip flopped on?
Remember the really close friend who lived with me for awhile after she left her abusive family who then went on to pretty much ignore me once she got herself a new boyfriend? Yeah. They hit the skids, I rode in on my horse, now she's staying with me (again, because I don't learn) and we're doing the "what are we to each other?" dance.
I ...... ugh. I'm getting soft in my advancing years.
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How would I find out if a guy is gay? I'm a little confused here.
By asking him ..... ? There's no cut and dry method. And no real indirect way that would yield 100% accurate results. Best way is to ask, although that is moderately invasive of you. Meh. Honestly, that' never stopped me. Something I want to know? I ask.
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
Shhhhh! You'll scare off the young breeders! As we've shown, they're quite pliant and easily swayed by our seductive ways. And we'll need the new recruits if our world domination plans are to come to fruition.
Mikey, Nick... grr.... Well, I think I've always gotten along with you guys BECAUSE I have always been teetering on the edge, but I'm sure you (and a few other experiences) have swayed me to the rainbow side
I'll need to put up a profile pick of myself soon. I've swayed amny guys to the rainbow side or have atleast gotten them of the fence swaying. You can decide if ya want me to be a recruiter or not. Just a thought. I sway people at school a lot. then again, it might be arder for me to sway people through a comp.
I'll need to put up a profile pick of myself soon. I've swayed amny guys to the rainbow side or have atleast gotten them of the fence swaying. You can decide if ya want me to be a recruiter or not. Just a thought. I sway people at school a lot. then again, it might be arder for me to sway people through a comp.
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Well... first, we're just joking about that (shhhhHHH!) And Second of all you'd be surprised how compelling the people in the computer can be *points to no one in particular*. And why shouldn't they be? It's more objective to read through something than it is to see it isn't it? It's less confusing than watching TV because TV has images and stereotypes. The more you talk to a person online, depending on the person, you can grow to understand a lot more about yourself.
To elaborate a little bit more on that, what I mean is that if you're not really talking to anyone it's almost like you're talking to yourself. When you talk online sometimes that vaccuum of anonymity, granted you may have a picture of that person, and they may talk to you voice chat, becomes a mirror for your inner self and adequately reflects what you want to know about yourself without venturing into your own mind for the answer. What you come to relate with online equally translates to what your reality is. Thus a compelling and intriguing chat partner can help you better express what you really feel about yourself, and an open-minded individual is more willing to understand their own depths of emotion. The people we've "Converted" have always had the urge or tendency to think about their sexuality just never had the capacity or willingness to express it to anyone, maybe not even to themselves. It's not so much conversion as it is revelations.
Well, the pink link in the signatures realy catches the eye. I guess I just found this place, so hey everyone. I'd ask what it's all about, but it seems like it's pretty casual, talk about whatever. Am I guessing right?
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True story. I'll find the survey for you to fill out as most everyone has. But.... I can't remember if it was on the last thread or the one before.... So in the meanwhile tell us about yourself, likes, dislikes, personality, orientation, experience and so on and so on and so on.
Yo Cork soakers
BTW, I love that skit from SNL.. if you havent seen it, you must find it.
Blue, I completely agree. People you meet online usually have something in common with you, unlike a lot of the people in real life. That way, people online can get along and help each other out without the akwardness and sometimes downright confusion that is usually apparent in real life.
And stop with the pointing, you could hurt someone
Anyways, I'm gonna be gone for the weekend. No comp access, just reading and relaxing. Farewell for now!!!
So are any of these new people joining the clan cuz we've a revised version of the secret handshake (plus it gives me a chance to try out the multiperson handshake I've been developing!)
Let me know!!
So apparently the pre release is today? ERm.... k. Did any of you go?
So apparently the pre release is today? ERm.... k. Did any of you go?
Yes, it was fabulous. Oh, wait, no. No, I didn't go. I got dumped, instead. Me. Dumped. And not just dumped, pre-dumped. "Yeah, I know we fooled around and we're great and you're the best, but I'm going back to my boyfriend" dumped. My relationship experiment is officially over. **** that noise. I'm going back to being a whore.
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Well, the pink link in the signatures realy catches the eye. I guess I just found this place, so hey everyone. I'd ask what it's all about, but it seems like it's pretty casual, talk about whatever. Am I guessing right?
Welcome. You're pretty much on the money, but there's usually a gay theme no matter what the topic of conversation. We're self-involved that way.
If you want to be a member/friend, just let us know. If you want any info, just ask or check out the first post in this thread.
Yes, it was fabulous. Oh, wait, no. No, I didn't go. I got dumped, instead. Me. Dumped. And not just dumped, pre-dumped. "Yeah, I know we fooled around and we're great and you're the best, but I'm going back to my boyfriend" dumped. My relationship experiment is officially over. **** that noise. I'm going back to being a whore.
I don't see why this should bother you. You know how she is. It's for the better anyways. You're moving. And,... when did you stop being a whore **checks**. Nope, I don't see that that stopped. And I don't consider what you had with that girl a relationship. She's too messed up for you (relationship wise). So I don't see that anything bad really happened here.
I'm bothered more by the fact that I'm bothered. Things used to just bounce off, but today I moped for the first time in a long time. And that's annoying. So I stopped. But still, I'm bothered that I let it get to me.
It's for the better anyways. You're moving.
And I asked her to move with me.
Yeah, I know.
And,... when did you stop being a whore
*snerk*
So I don't see that anything bad really happened here.
Two failed non-relationships in 10 days? My pride, she is wounded. And that sucks. But beyond that, I was starting to warm to the idea of not being alone, and now that that's kinda scrapped, I don't even know if I'll still be as comfortable with my old life as I used to be. And that's a scary prospect.
Two failed non-relationships in 10 days? My pride, she is wounded. And that sucks. But beyond that, I was starting to warm to the idea of not being alone, and now that that's kinda scrapped, I don't even know if I'll still be as comfortable with my old life as I used to be. And that's a scary prospect.
Aww :(. Hehe. I'm sure you'll be fine. No one ever said having those feelings was bad, just that they were not prevalant for you. Perhaps you can look at both of the failed "pseudo relationships" as a clear beacon to your eventual success away from that place. You're moving. You're starting over. Maybe it's time to reevaluate some of your credences and perhaps living with your sister will give you the strength to do that unabashed.
You'll be fine like you always are. I know your pride is hurt but I guarantee that it's superficial at this point. :-P Stop whining already!
And DAMMIT Mikey! I'm gone for a couple weeks and suddenly you have more posts than me?!?! God damned hippie!
heh. Well... Just because you have a girlfriend doesn't mean you're in love. And just because you have feelings for a person doesn't make them your girlfriend. There's many levels of emotional intensity involved and it's not so cut and dry as "Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." Mikey's situation is less love than it is the abrput end of a possibility to maybe one day's concession to eventual love.
I think you're in the "too young to accurately understand the feelings I have but am experiencing them anyways". Often the best approach in that stage is to chillax and let things happen without trying to interfere. And often you can best avoid embarassing situations by letting your mind do the thinking without letting your body do the acting. When you get older those poles will reverse and you'll need to let your body do the acting and that's because you've let your mind do the thinking for so long. Your approach to this German exchange student might actually cause you more problems if you stand back and think about it for a second or two. It kinda seems like something you'd do when you're 7 or 8. Maybe that's a reason the people at your school treat you like they do. They don't feel you've matured as much as they have and see your attempts to understand your sexuality as a desperate attempt to seem more mature. Are you smaller than they are? Act younger? *intriguing*
None of that was meant to be offensive btw. I just think you need to reevaluate the way you think about yourself. Here, with only what you present to me as a guide, I'd say you're younger than you want to be and are very confused. You seem to not think about the way you approach things hoping that as long as you act one way things will work out for themselves. Well the more you pine for your last school the less you're focusing on the current situation you're in. Instead of fixing new problems you're dwelling on lesser evils which are easier for you to cope with. It sounds like you're not ready to be a teenager and it sounds like the more delude yourself the easier it will be to avoid being a teenager despite what the calendar says. And I know how it can be when all the things you go through seem like they are so important. But what you're going through is no more important than what anyone else in your grade is going through. Do you not talk to them at all? You'll find that the people around you have problems but they seem happier or more normal because they don't let their problems rule them.
Maybe it's time to reevaluate some of your credences and perhaps living with your sister will give you the strength to do that unabashed.
Wait, which ones should I reevaluate?
You'll be fine like you always are.
Likely. I do tend to land on my feet.
Stop whining already!
I'm actually confusing a lot of people by not acting like an overdramatic whelp. Not that I often do, but a lot of people assumed I'd be a lot more broken up than I am.
And DAMMIT Mikey! I'm gone for a couple weeks and suddenly you have more posts than me?!?! God damned hippie!
*shrug* Stop being a slacker, then.
Mikey's situation is less love than it is the abrput end of a possibility to maybe one day's concession to eventual love.
Pretty much. We were never really together and we certainly weren't in love. At no time was Christine my girlfriend, just a friend where there was a strong connection and a possibility of something more.
Okay then. I'm 17, so going into grade 12 next fall. I'm into, obviously, Magic, and also video games (the old-school kind, not this newfangled FPS or MMORPG stuff), but mostly music. I've collected a ridiculous number of CD's in the past couple years, and I've taken up the keyboard, the guitar, and singing, on top of the violin.
As for sexuality and that kind of experience, I've had a few girlfriends, but the only one that ever seemed like it could be something was a cheater. Multiple times. We've remained surprisingly good friends, and I'm over that by now. I'm discovering an attraction to guys in the past year or so. Not sure what to think totally, and totally completely not sure what I would do, so I've been basically letting it sit, in case an opportunity to explore more arises. I'm pretty antisocial, though, so meeting girls even is a challenge, despite the compliments I get on my looks. I feel like everyone's gay friend, in the sense that girls will be my friend easily, but I don't like hanging with people much, (and girls especially not much) and either I'm not interested, she isn't, or she has a boyfriend. So romance is kinda at a standstill.
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I don't like it more because I don't like being told what I can't do more than anything else. Especially if I can't do something and others can. I'm a tantrum-throwing dick that way.
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Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
I hear ya. But this is important: you do not have to have it one way or the other. If you think that is the case, then why even bother identifying yourself as bi? Just pick one and go with it.
The fact is, you do not have to swear off women just because you like men or vice versa. Yes, it's more complicated. And yes, some people will treat you differently because you are bi (yes, some gay people even look down on bi people, as insane as that is). But you are not limited.
And, pardon me for shouting, but I can't think of any piece of advice more important than this when it comes to communicating with your parents...DO NOT TELL YOUR PARENTS UNTIL YOU ARE SURE! For the love of God. Unless your parents are 100% cool with it, it's hard enough for them to deal with a gay/bi/whatever child, but it's much worse to jerk them around about it or leave things ambiguous.
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She knows why.
Mikey: No more Colin? I mean I know you're moving so it would difficult to still be in a pseudo relationship with him. Who's the girl you flip flopped on?
Cam: My question is, how will Chris feel when you show up with the new boy (cuz no matter what you think, I'M positive you guys will get along)
Trenton: Haha. Girls or guys girls or guys girls or guys. Let's see... Slow your roll seems to be the advice of the day. Who do you have more in common with? Go with them.
Nick: Don't ask Don't Tell. Hah. I have no clue what it's for but I agree, I'm using it as an excuse not to ever go into the military. Every time I get those Navy emails I laugh and email them back "I'm GAY"
Kraj: Hehe. Or just don't tell them at all They don't really need to know unless you rely on them to fix you up with people lol. Let them find out when you introduce your boyfriend
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Good advice... I guess I should practice what I preach
Oh well, right now I just feel sorta desperate. *sigh*
Oh, and congrats on actually READING throught the thread, Blue
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No more Colin. That flight is crashing before it even leaves the airstrip.
Remember the really close friend who lived with me for awhile after she left her abusive family who then went on to pretty much ignore me once she got herself a new boyfriend? Yeah. They hit the skids, I rode in on my horse, now she's staying with me (again, because I don't learn) and we're doing the "what are we to each other?" dance.
I ...... ugh. I'm getting soft in my advancing years.
By asking him ..... ? There's no cut and dry method. And no real indirect way that would yield 100% accurate results. Best way is to ask, although that is moderately invasive of you. Meh. Honestly, that' never stopped me. Something I want to know? I ask.
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Er, I mean, if you're bi, then that's cool. Have fun?
Help has come in the form of a bit of basic algebra. I feel that it'll shed some light on your problem here.
Basically:
S + T = W
...S in this case stands for 'spam' and the T stands for 'light trolling'. And the W? That stands for 'Warning'. I love math. -- {mikeyG}
Well, I'm not moving in until the fall, and Quinney and I haven't even gone on a date yet. I'm not gazing very far down that particular path just yet.
Shhhhh! You'll scare off the young breeders! As we've shown, they're quite pliant and easily swayed by our seductive ways. And we'll need the new recruits if our world domination plans are to come to fruition.
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I love you Krashbot!
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Well... first, we're just joking about that (shhhhHHH!) And Second of all you'd be surprised how compelling the people in the computer can be *points to no one in particular*. And why shouldn't they be? It's more objective to read through something than it is to see it isn't it? It's less confusing than watching TV because TV has images and stereotypes. The more you talk to a person online, depending on the person, you can grow to understand a lot more about yourself.
To elaborate a little bit more on that, what I mean is that if you're not really talking to anyone it's almost like you're talking to yourself. When you talk online sometimes that vaccuum of anonymity, granted you may have a picture of that person, and they may talk to you voice chat, becomes a mirror for your inner self and adequately reflects what you want to know about yourself without venturing into your own mind for the answer. What you come to relate with online equally translates to what your reality is. Thus a compelling and intriguing chat partner can help you better express what you really feel about yourself, and an open-minded individual is more willing to understand their own depths of emotion. The people we've "Converted" have always had the urge or tendency to think about their sexuality just never had the capacity or willingness to express it to anyone, maybe not even to themselves. It's not so much conversion as it is revelations.
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BTW, I love that skit from SNL.. if you havent seen it, you must find it.
Blue, I completely agree. People you meet online usually have something in common with you, unlike a lot of the people in real life. That way, people online can get along and help each other out without the akwardness and sometimes downright confusion that is usually apparent in real life.
And stop with the pointing, you could hurt someone
Anyways, I'm gonna be gone for the weekend. No comp access, just reading and relaxing. Farewell for now!!!
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So are any of these new people joining the clan cuz we've a revised version of the secret handshake (plus it gives me a chance to try out the multiperson handshake I've been developing!)
Let me know!!
So apparently the pre release is today? ERm.... k. Did any of you go?
Yes, it was fabulous. Oh, wait, no. No, I didn't go. I got dumped, instead. Me. Dumped. And not just dumped, pre-dumped. "Yeah, I know we fooled around and we're great and you're the best, but I'm going back to my boyfriend" dumped. My relationship experiment is officially over. **** that noise. I'm going back to being a whore.
Welcome. You're pretty much on the money, but there's usually a gay theme no matter what the topic of conversation. We're self-involved that way.
If you want to be a member/friend, just let us know. If you want any info, just ask or check out the first post in this thread.
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Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
I don't see why this should bother you. You know how she is. It's for the better anyways. You're moving. And,... when did you stop being a whore **checks**. Nope, I don't see that that stopped. And I don't consider what you had with that girl a relationship. She's too messed up for you (relationship wise). So I don't see that anything bad really happened here.
I'm bothered more by the fact that I'm bothered. Things used to just bounce off, but today I moped for the first time in a long time. And that's annoying. So I stopped. But still, I'm bothered that I let it get to me.
And I asked her to move with me.
Yeah, I know.
*snerk*
Two failed non-relationships in 10 days? My pride, she is wounded. And that sucks. But beyond that, I was starting to warm to the idea of not being alone, and now that that's kinda scrapped, I don't even know if I'll still be as comfortable with my old life as I used to be. And that's a scary prospect.
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
Aww :(. Hehe. I'm sure you'll be fine. No one ever said having those feelings was bad, just that they were not prevalant for you. Perhaps you can look at both of the failed "pseudo relationships" as a clear beacon to your eventual success away from that place. You're moving. You're starting over. Maybe it's time to reevaluate some of your credences and perhaps living with your sister will give you the strength to do that unabashed.
You'll be fine like you always are. I know your pride is hurt but I guarantee that it's superficial at this point. :-P Stop whining already!
And DAMMIT Mikey! I'm gone for a couple weeks and suddenly you have more posts than me?!?! God damned hippie!
None of that was meant to be offensive btw. I just think you need to reevaluate the way you think about yourself. Here, with only what you present to me as a guide, I'd say you're younger than you want to be and are very confused. You seem to not think about the way you approach things hoping that as long as you act one way things will work out for themselves. Well the more you pine for your last school the less you're focusing on the current situation you're in. Instead of fixing new problems you're dwelling on lesser evils which are easier for you to cope with. It sounds like you're not ready to be a teenager and it sounds like the more delude yourself the easier it will be to avoid being a teenager despite what the calendar says. And I know how it can be when all the things you go through seem like they are so important. But what you're going through is no more important than what anyone else in your grade is going through. Do you not talk to them at all? You'll find that the people around you have problems but they seem happier or more normal because they don't let their problems rule them.
Wait, which ones should I reevaluate?
Likely. I do tend to land on my feet.
I'm actually confusing a lot of people by not acting like an overdramatic whelp. Not that I often do, but a lot of people assumed I'd be a lot more broken up than I am.
*shrug* Stop being a slacker, then.
Pretty much. We were never really together and we certainly weren't in love. At no time was Christine my girlfriend, just a friend where there was a strong connection and a possibility of something more.
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
As for sexuality and that kind of experience, I've had a few girlfriends, but the only one that ever seemed like it could be something was a cheater. Multiple times. We've remained surprisingly good friends, and I'm over that by now. I'm discovering an attraction to guys in the past year or so. Not sure what to think totally, and totally completely not sure what I would do, so I've been basically letting it sit, in case an opportunity to explore more arises. I'm pretty antisocial, though, so meeting girls even is a challenge, despite the compliments I get on my looks. I feel like everyone's gay friend, in the sense that girls will be my friend easily, but I don't like hanging with people much, (and girls especially not much) and either I'm not interested, she isn't, or she has a boyfriend. So romance is kinda at a standstill.
Flavour text from Bottomless Pit.