If you have to pay WITH manacost, this land is not very good, IMO, so :symu::symr: is just enough. But if WITHOUT... Especially that it lets you play sorceries as instants... It is quite good. So I think the cost will be :3mana::symu::symr:
Yeah, im in favor of the :symu::symr: with mana cost or the :3mana::symu::symr: without mana, since you ahevto in the end pay around 6 mana counting tapping the land itself. It is quite a powerful effect, and easily abusable with Senseis divining top, so i wouldnt be surprised, nor particularly upset if WoTC made it :4mana::symu::symr:, but i think the 5 mana version is feasible since it has pretty strict color restrictions and its entirely unplayable in limited.
Sensei's Top, Sensei's Top... It will be out of format this autamn. And also doesn't help in limited. I am sure Izzets will have some other topdeck-control card.
As for the guildhome, I think limiting how much it is allowed to cost, and playing it for 'free' is optimal. Allowing people to play seven mana instants for anything less is rediculous, and forcing people to pay five mana for a two mana instant will mean that this card doesn't make it into even casual decks. Saying 4 mana, and the spell can cost no more than 3, sounds about right, to me.
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hello, its ok if u just call me speedy, i kno its hard to type my full sn. anyway, i also hate the time difference, cause almost nobody is ever on when i am, anyway i built this deck, any suggestions would b great.
6 mountain
6 island
4 shivan reef
4 steam vents
20 lands
4 niv mizzet, the firemind
3 keiga, the tide star
3 meloku, the clouded mirror
10 creatures
4 char
4 mana leak
4 convolute
4 remand
2 mindmoil
4 shock
4 compulsive research
4 izzet signet
30 other spells
and my favorite game is any magic my favorite video game is probably any zelda game from nintendo (hints my icon)...
YAY, IM AN APPRENTICE!
Ah, Zelda. Wandering around in the original, with little clue as to where to go...great memories! One of my favorites, too. The whole series was good, i think. Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games in the history of video games, in my opinion.
Yes, Zelda is my favorite series, overall.
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yeah, ocarania of time rules, but so does wind waker, and majoras mask, and oracle of ages, and oracle of seasons and a link to the past and, well all of them
Psychoburner, you all guys break my heart. There is a chance, but only when our leader Oasis! solves the problem with apprentices. You see, now there are 50/50 High mages/apprentices, and it is not quite right. I think, in some time, Oasis will get down to that problem, and we will be able to accept new members. I, personally, think, that big numbers are good.
Edit: Damn, simultaneous posting
No don't PM him to join, I posted in the old thread to join where I was then told to PM Oasis! about it but Oasis! replied telling me to just post in the thread instead.
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hello, its ok if u just call me speedy, i kno its hard to type my full sn. anyway, i also hate the time difference, cause almost nobody is ever on when i am, anyway i built this deck, any suggestions would b great.
6 mountain
6 island
4 shivan reef
4 steam vents
20 lands
4 niv mizzet, the firemind
3 keiga, the tide star
3 meloku, the clouded mirror
10 creatures
4 char
4 mana leak
4 convolute
4 remand
2 mindmoil
4 shock
4 compulsive research
4 izzet signet
30 other spells
and my favorite game is any magic my favorite video game is probably any zelda game from nintendo (hints my icon)...
YAY, IM AN APPRENTICE!
No don't PM him to join, I posted in the old thread to join where I was then told to PM Oasis! about it but Oasis! replied telling me to just post in the thread instead.
We were just telling him to pm oasis if he was really eager, but he decided to wait a bit before asking again.
EDIT: Whoops! Sorry for the double post, but i figure i was responding to two different things and one of them was pretty big, and i had forgot about edititing it at the moment, so sorry!
hello, its ok if u just call me speedy, i kno its hard to type my full sn. anyway, i also hate the time difference, cause almost nobody is ever on when i am, anyway i built this deck, any suggestions would b great.
6 mountain
6 island
4 shivan reef
4 steam vents
20 lands
4 niv mizzet, the firemind
3 keiga, the tide star
3 meloku, the clouded mirror
10 creatures
4 char
4 mana leak
4 convolute
4 remand
2 mindmoil
4 shock
4 compulsive research
4 izzet signet
30 other spells
and my favorite game is any magic my favorite video game is probably any zelda game from nintendo (hints my icon)...
YAY, IM AN APPRENTICE!
I think at the moment its hard to not justify playing telling time in a U/X deck. I also really dislike mindmoil even with the Niv combo. Take out convolute for hinder. Drop one mountain and add one island. Drop Meloku. Consider adding jushi. Hmm I don't know I'd have to play test the deck.
Well, actually im not positive is it true invisitext. Some say that invisitext doesnt show iteslf when quoted, and as you just quoted me, you can see teh text there so im not sure its the right thing.
Well, actually im not positive is it true invisitext. Some say that invisitext doesnt show iteslf when quoted, and as you just quoted me, you can see teh text there so im not sure its the right thing.
Can u PM what you found any way
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Important! Important! All Izzet Clan Members Read!
This is how The Izzet is going to work from now on:
Apprentices and High Mages
Each High Mage will have up to two apprentices.
We will cut down the number of High Mages to eight.
Sorry Wuffles_II but I think that is the way it has to be. Wuffles_II's current apprentice will be the apprentice of whomever he chooses, as will Wuffles_II.
New Joining Rules
From now on, if you wish to join the clan, post a message with the following in bold blue:
Username: ____ Reason you wish to join: ____ High Mage you wish to Apprentice under: ____ Anything else about you: ____
If anyone has asked to be in the clan lately and is not on the list, I am sorry but you will have to post again with the required information. All processing members-to-be have been canceled until they post the correct info.
Members
Also, the member list needs to be reviewed. You must post within the next 5 days or you will be removed from the member list and added to the Erratic Portal. If you return with good reasons for your lack of posting (I.E. Vacation, sickness, etc.) you will be re-added.
wow u guys sure r an activ bunch...
n ever so organized with the rules n all...
im not a member, so let this be an outsider 'imo' of sort....
i agree with oasis (b|_|tt-k1ss1ng?) about the high magi n aprentices
thingy...but i do feel sori for wuffles the 2nd bcoz he(/she?) was so excited about the whole thing...
well, dont worry, ur time will come...
there'll be more members in the future n u'r next on the list to become the high mage, am i right oasis?
s for gruul...heh, u knw how we r....we r not even in 1 clan, n after reading the info about gruul on mtg.com, i feel kinda sad coz we've been depicted as a bunch of hoodlums...
but hey, thats ok too...i think
n we'r gettin more n more members nowadays...
so its all good
Kudos to Oasis! I'm very happy to see things are getting organized and thigns are getting done. I'd hate for the Izzet to go in the direction the Gruul are. No offense meant to the Gruul, but their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts by fairly immature prepubescent boys.
*sigh* Oh well. I'm a little disappointed. Looks like ill never be a high mage. W/e, its just a title, and for the whole post in 5 days thing, consider me posted.
EDIT: Also, i suggest a different name for the first apprentice to avoid confusion what with the identical titles and all. Maybe Acolyte or Adept or just plain Mage.
Kudos to Oasis! I'm very happy to see things are getting organized and thigns are getting done. I'd hate for the Izzet to go in the direction the Gruul are. No offense meant to the Gruul, but their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts fairly immature prepubescent boys.
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hmm...lemme see... 'their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts'
Number of *ACTUAL* "I like pie" so-called outbursts : 1 out of 205 posts
(u can check it out urself HERE)
the funny thing is, who said the so-called outburts : Wuffles_II which is not even a member of gruul (as of now)
n reference to the so-called outbursts : 1 by me
(u can check it out urself HERE)
n fyi, pie is what i address our leader (magic_pie)
if what u meant to say is that we, the gruul discuss topic which is not constructive in any way in our clan thread, u'r dead wrong...
the first 5 pages or so is all about clan creation n members signup n such
after that, mostly its about the gruul related cards in guildpact, G/R deck discussion n also some off topic posts which r still related to magic n our clan in general (do i really need to give example here? nah, u can just check it out urselves HERE)
so, canadian man, before u bash MY clan by saying something like...
'but their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts fairly immature prepubescent boys'
better do a little research beforehand so that u wont come out sounded like a total idiot...
oh, btw, No offense meant to the Izzet....but Canada Man, u'r an exception
but i do think Eddie Guerrero deserve a lil' respect...so there...
Username: AnotherCrimeScene Reason you wish to join: Because CounterFire is awesome, Izzet is my fav guild, and it makes sense to go where it appeals to you High Mage you wish to Apprentice under: canadaman Anything else about you: If it works, job accomplished...if it explodes then we've found a new weapon.
So the soldiers lift their rifles and
they're aiming at the head
they think of their first love before they take their final breaths
and somewhere in the distance
they hear something someone said: "how did it come to this?"
-Streetlight Manifesto
Yeah, im in favor of the :symu::symr: with mana cost or the :3mana::symu::symr: without mana, since you ahevto in the end pay around 6 mana counting tapping the land itself. It is quite a powerful effect, and easily abusable with Senseis divining top, so i wouldnt be surprised, nor particularly upset if WoTC made it :4mana::symu::symr:, but i think the 5 mana version is feasible since it has pretty strict color restrictions and its entirely unplayable in limited.
P.S.> Man, I hate time differnce... I can't sit in front of that torture mashine, I'm going to bed. See you tomorrow.
6 mountain
6 island
4 shivan reef
4 steam vents
20 lands
4 niv mizzet, the firemind
3 keiga, the tide star
3 meloku, the clouded mirror
10 creatures
4 char
4 mana leak
4 convolute
4 remand
2 mindmoil
4 shock
4 compulsive research
4 izzet signet
30 other spells
and my favorite game is any magic my favorite video game is probably any zelda game from nintendo (hints my icon)...
YAY, IM AN APPRENTICE!
Yes, Zelda is my favorite series, overall.
any suggestions on the deck?
they're aiming at the head
they think of their first love before they take their final breaths
and somewhere in the distance
they hear something someone said: "how did it come to this?"
-Streetlight Manifesto
I think cutting the convolutes would be ideal, they are really subpar counters. Cut the sigents, they serve no real purpose, as you have nothing much to accelerate to, and on turn 2 you should be saving mana for a counter. If you want to abuse Niv some more, i suggest adding teferi's puzzle box and plagiarize. Theya re really a great combo, and work well on their own, as well as with niv. And for niv-mizzets sake, 20 LANDS!?!?!? You have 12 5cc+ cards. Please. 22-24 lands. So all in all:
-4 izzet signet
-4 convolute
-1 shock
-2 Mindmoil (its a win more card)
-1 island
+1 oboro, palace in the clouds
+1 Minamo, school at water's edge
+1 Miren, the moaning well
+1 Mikokoro, center of the sea
+4 teferi's puzzle box
+ 4 Plagiarize
Just my 2c.
We were just telling him to pm oasis if he was really eager, but he decided to wait a bit before asking again.
EDIT: Whoops! Sorry for the double post, but i figure i was responding to two different things and one of them was pretty big, and i had forgot about edititing it at the moment, so sorry!
I think at the moment its hard to not justify playing telling time in a U/X deck. I also really dislike mindmoil even with the Niv combo. Take out convolute for hinder. Drop one mountain and add one island. Drop Meloku. Consider adding jushi. Hmm I don't know I'd have to play test the deck.
Edit: Saranth'd sorta
High Mage of Frontier Knowledge in the [Izzet] clan:symru: Want to know the secret to chaos Click Here
Here it is! in all its glory!!!
You mind PM'ing the clan members the code?
High Mage of Frontier Knowledge in the [Izzet] clan:symru: Want to know the secret to chaos Click Here
Can u PM what you found any way
High Mage of Frontier Knowledge in the [Izzet] clan:symru: Want to know the secret to chaos Click Here
Our theme song should be She Blinded Me With Science. That song rocks.
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This is how The Izzet is going to work from now on:
Apprentices and High Mages
Each High Mage will have up to two apprentices.
We will cut down the number of High Mages to eight.
Sorry Wuffles_II but I think that is the way it has to be. Wuffles_II's current apprentice will be the apprentice of whomever he chooses, as will Wuffles_II.
New Joining Rules
From now on, if you wish to join the clan, post a message with the following in bold blue:
Username: ____
Reason you wish to join: ____
High Mage you wish to Apprentice under: ____
Anything else about you: ____
If anyone has asked to be in the clan lately and is not on the list, I am sorry but you will have to post again with the required information. All processing members-to-be have been canceled until they post the correct info.
Members
Also, the member list needs to be reviewed. You must post within the next 5 days or you will be removed from the member list and added to the Erratic Portal. If you return with good reasons for your lack of posting (I.E. Vacation, sickness, etc.) you will be re-added.
Thank you so much.
n ever so organized with the rules n all...
im not a member, so let this be an outsider 'imo' of sort....
i agree with oasis (b|_|tt-k1ss1ng?) about the high magi n aprentices
thingy...but i do feel sori for wuffles the 2nd bcoz he(/she?) was so excited about the whole thing...
well, dont worry, ur time will come...
there'll be more members in the future n u'r next on the list to become the high mage, am i right oasis?
s for gruul...heh, u knw how we r....we r not even in 1 clan, n after reading the info about gruul on mtg.com, i feel kinda sad coz we've been depicted as a bunch of hoodlums...
but hey, thats ok too...i think
n we'r gettin more n more members nowadays...
so its all good
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EDIT: Also, i suggest a different name for the first apprentice to avoid confusion what with the identical titles and all. Maybe Acolyte or Adept or just plain Mage.
....
hmm...lemme see...
'their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts'
Number of *ACTUAL* "I like pie" so-called outbursts : 1 out of 205 posts
(u can check it out urself HERE)
the funny thing is, who said the so-called outburts : Wuffles_II which is not even a member of gruul (as of now)
n reference to the so-called outbursts : 1 by me
(u can check it out urself HERE)
n fyi, pie is what i address our leader (magic_pie)
if what u meant to say is that we, the gruul discuss topic which is not constructive in any way in our clan thread, u'r dead wrong...
the first 5 pages or so is all about clan creation n members signup n such
after that, mostly its about the gruul related cards in guildpact, G/R deck discussion n also some off topic posts which r still related to magic n our clan in general (do i really need to give example here? nah, u can just check it out urselves HERE)
so, canadian man, before u bash MY clan by saying something like...
'but their clan discussions seem to be filled with random "I like pie" outbursts fairly immature prepubescent boys'
better do a little research beforehand so that u wont come out sounded like a total idiot...
oh, btw, No offense meant to the Izzet....but Canada Man, u'r an exception
but i do think Eddie Guerrero deserve a lil' respect...so there...
n Avvy mod by meReason you wish to join: Because CounterFire is awesome, Izzet is my fav guild, and it makes sense to go where it appeals to you
High Mage you wish to Apprentice under: canadaman
Anything else about you: If it works, job accomplished...if it explodes then we've found a new weapon.
they're aiming at the head
they think of their first love before they take their final breaths
and somewhere in the distance
they hear something someone said: "how did it come to this?"
-Streetlight Manifesto