That's like saying something is less Jewish than the Pope.
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That's like saying something is less Jewish than the Pope.
I'm sure the current Pope has some Jewish ancestors.
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I'm sure the current Pope has some Jewish ancestors.
And I'm sure they're all very proud of him.
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I don't think it's really on their minds right now.
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nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
@Furor- In the newest issue of the New Yorker, an article appeared about CS Lewis and his life's work. The author noted that many of his American followers have practically deified him.
Yeah, I read that article. It's pretty much true. I like Lewis for his easy-going style, but he's not the most brilliant man to ever live. I'm frankly more impressed with his literary criticism (and output) than I am with his apologetic value.
The author noted, in passing, the following (I think this is an exact quote, but I am going off the top of my head):
"When people good writer is praised for too obviously ideological reasons for too long, they'll find they will eventually have him all to themselves. The same thing has happened with GK Chesteron: His followers are so busy chortling and snickering as their man deals a left hook at the rationalist that they fail to notice that the rationalist isn't even on the canvas anymore; that he's long since left the building." (emphasis mine)
Thought you might find that amusing.
Well, I do find it amusing, for a number of reasons.
First, I don't know what the Hell this man is talking about. There is not some mammoth "Chesterton movement" that has somehow alienated many of its fringe supporters by holding to a hardline on some anti-rationalist issue. The groups that do support him are varied and small, and we (I am privileged to use such a pronoun) do not pay nearly as much attention to his anti-rationalist thought as the author seems to think. I would die for Gilbert Chesterton, whether to stop a bullet for him while he was still alive, or in a duel about him today, but this does not mean I agree with everything the man said, or that I'm only in it for, as the author says, the "left hook at the rationalist."
He would know this himself if he looked into the matter. The American Chesterton Society is basically the largest game in town as far as GK goes, and their conference in June is centered on his Dickens work. Last years conference was about his early attacks on social injustice. Yeah, watch out rationalism.
Second of all, it needs to be said that the author is right, but not in the way that is implied. GK did aim some most excellent "left hooks" at the rationalists of his time, and looked at in that proper context they retain all of their mastery even if they've lost some of their power. This is not to say that we can not find any useful material against the materialists or reason against the rationalists, of course. We simply have to dig deeper than was required by the debate of that bygone age. I don't know that this is even actually a good thing, but it's definitely true.
I shall conclude by again saying that I was highly perplexed by his statement, seemingly thrown in for no real reason and with nothing to back it up. It must be remembered that Chesterton is hardly exalted in the same way that Lewis is. Unless the author is living in a very curious neighbourhood, populated by a mysteriously-high number of Chestertonians, all of whom are apparently living distinctly unChestertonian lives, I really don't see what he's driving at here, or the point he's trying to make.
For my own part, I have cooled, as I said, on Lewis. I still admire the work he has done in various fields, but there is only so much I can learn from an Anglican Protestant.
In any event, hope you all had a good Thanksgiving. I spent it with Chris's family, because a whole day with my family was less than appealing.
What (if I may ask) is Chris' family's position on his situation?
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I would die for Gilbert Chesterton, whether to stop a bullet for him while he was still alive, or in a duel about him today, but this does not mean I agree with everything the man said, or that I'm only in it for, as the author says, the "left hook at the rationalist."
If you replace the instances of GK Chesterton in that paragraph and replace them with Ayn Rand, you would sound like quite a few Objectivists whom I know.
I shall conclude by again saying that I was highly perplexed by his statement, seemingly thrown in for no real reason and with nothing to back it up. It must be remembered that Chesterton is hardly exalted in the same way that Lewis is. Unless the author is living in a very curious neighbourhood, populated by a mysteriously-high number of Chestertonians, all of whom are apparently living distinctly unChestertonian lives, I really don't see what he's driving at here, or the point he's trying to make.
I noticed this too; He spends the first several paragraphs making the point that there are differences between how Americans and Brits perceive Lewis, and then he jumps to this, almost as an incidental aside.
What (if I may ask) is Chris' family's position on his situation?
You know, I'm not sure. He's discussed his spiritual issues with them, and they seem to be leaving him alone to deal with it without pressure. They appear to understand the trouble he's having, and don't want to press the issue.
If you replace the instances of GK Chesterton in that paragraph and replace them with Ayn Rand, you would sound like quite a few Objectivists whom I know.
Well then, I admire their passion, insofar as it goes. We must always fight for our beliefs, because we must also suffer for them.
I noticed this too; He spends the first several paragraphs making the point that there are differences between how Americans and Brits perceive Lewis, and then he jumps to this, almost as an incidental aside.
The only conclusion to which I can come is that he is - somehow - perturbed by what he perceives to be a slavish devotion to Chesterton on the part of a person or persons unnamed, and this was his way of getting back at them. Beyond that, I am at a loss.
You know, I'm not sure. He's discussed his spiritual issues with them, and they seem to be leaving him alone to deal with it without pressure. They appear to understand the trouble he's having, and don't want to press the issue.
They sound like a good sort, then. The world needs this kind of people.
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Well then, I admire their passion, insofar as it goes. We must always fight for our beliefs, because we must also suffer for them.
I suppose a few Amen's are in order, yes?
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Even that's a stretch, really. [quote]They sound like a good sort, then. The world needs this kind of people.
I agree; they're shaping out to be some of my favorite people.
By the way, was it Chesterton who wrote The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare? I recall reading that book a number of years ago ( I may even have it), and the name Chesterton sounds familiar in corellation.
I agree; they're shaping out to be some of my favorite people.
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By the way, was it Chesterton who wrote The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare? I recall reading that book a number of years ago ( I may even have it), and the name Chesterton sounds familiar in corellation.
Yes, he wrote it. It is a fun little book. I like it all the way up to the end, which I still sort of like, but not as much.
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I read this rather pathetic review of the book on Amazon.com:
"G. K. Chesterton makes me feel stupid. Even when his work is entirely predictable--as this novel was--I wonder if he meant for it to be so and if the joke is really on me for thinking I've made a discovery the author intended to be patently obvious. Chesterton can be tongue in cheek about being tongue in cheek. His tone is a a series of nested Chinese boxes; it defies me. The author professes to be shocked at each unveiling in this novel. Yet, by the time the third figure is unveiled in similar fashion, a reader might begin to wonder--could Chesterton have been serious when he has the narrator express shock? I wasn't shocked. I thought, "Should I be shocked that Chesterton is so unshocking?" You can't win when the writer seems so much more clever than you are."
Sad, really.
In any event, I must be off to work. There is an annoyingly long parade blocking off most of town, so I have to take the VERY long way. It's usually two minutes down the road. The route I must take will be about 20. Le sigh.
Sing lustily and with good courage.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Sing lustily and with good courage.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Huzzah! 910 years since the gauntlet fell at Clermont. Let us raise a glass today in honour of that glorious proclamation; striking, strong, and as yet unbowed by the terrible weight of what it would eventually become.
Here's to you, Urban II. You made a tough call.
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As I am not a Christian, and thus do not agree with the sentiments behind the Crusades, I do not find them as laudable as do you, and will therefore not be joining in your celebration; however, I raise my glass to your obvious contentment. I like to see people happy for whatever it is that strikes their fancy.
That said, the double-post has got to go. Merge 'em, I tell you. Merge!
In other news, I'm out of cigarettes, and I am sad.
As I am not a Christian, and thus do not agree with the sentiments behind the Crusades, I do not find them as laudable as do you, and will therefore not be joining in your celebration; however, I raise my glass to your obvious contentment. I like to see people happy for whatever it is that strikes their fancy.
I should think that you, as a simultaneous non-Muslim, would at least be neutral on the affair.
Unless you somehow imagine your situation today would be better had no efforts been made...?
That said, the double-post has got to go. Merge 'em, I tell you. Merge!
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In other news, I'm out of cigarettes, and I am sad.
Well, some days we have to grow up all at once
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No; I have this thing about holy war. I dislike the very notion of it, ideological issues aside.
Well, to each his own. I find it Thrilling.
I don't really see how my situation would be worse, no.
You don't see how your situation might be worse with governments like that of Iran as the worldly majority rather than the current state of affairs?
You risk a warning? You are a brave soul indeed.
The posts were on wildly-varying topics and separated by several hours. Besides, it's not like anyone was rushing to fill the gap, and I certainly wasn't going to wait around while Clermont's praises were going unsung.
I think you put it best when you said, just before:
I generally put things best, yes.
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Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people defending their beliefs--to the death, if necessary; but acts of aggression are kinda bleh.
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You don't see how your situation might be worse with governments like that of Iran as the worldly majority rather than the current state of affairs?
Can you, in clear conscience, honestly say that it would definitely be the case?
The posts were on wildly-varying topics and separated by several hours. Besides, it's not like anyone was rushing to fill the gap, and I certainly wasn't going to wait around while Clermont's praises were going unsung.
Yes, yes, I suppose. Just hope THE MODS!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1111 see it that way.
I generally put things best, yes.
I most certainly concur.
EDIT: C'mon lurkers, don't be scared. We don't bite. Well, Denver does. But he's not a real person anyway. He's...imaginary.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people defending their beliefs--to the death, if necessary; but acts of aggression are kinda bleh.
Yes. The Muslim invasion of Europe, rape of Anatolia, and seizing of the Holy Land was most definitely "bleh."
Can you, in clear conscience, honestly say that it would definitely be the case?
I can, sir, and do.
Yes, yes, I suppose. Just hope THE MODS!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1111 see it that way.
That's true. I think the moment has passed, however.
I most certainly concur.
EDIT: C'mon lurkers, don't be scared. We don't bite. Well, Denver does. But he's not a real person anyway. He's...imaginary.
Not exactly. He's more of a legendary amalgamation of a number of Epic Deeds under the name of a single personality. There were probably several such "Denvers," but his supporters - credulous buffoons that they are - have found it convenient for polemical purposes to ascribe all of their exploits to a single man. They've also made a great deal of it up, too, and it's difficult to separate fact from fiction.
Thankfully, we have the noble, ground-breaking work of people like the Denver Seminar, who have, via the magic of arbitrary opinion and coloured beads, finally managed to extract "the historical Denver" from the mess of lies and exaggerations that has so long been the norm. The whole world should rejoice at their findings, for they have presented a Denver who is unparalleled in tolerance and compassion, and may as well have never existed at all for all the impact that they've deigned to allow was his. When all is said and done, they tell us that something approaching only 2% of the material surrounding Denver can be called "true." This excludes entirely - some critics have said conveniently - all of the many aspects of Denver's nature that men have found so difficult to emulate and reconcile with their own lives.
Denver was devoured by wild dogs. Mystery solved.
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That's like saying something is less Jewish than the Pope.
Strengthen my steel should I falter
Smite my back should I flee
Save my soul should I fall
Official Recovering World of Warcraft Addict of The Ivory Tower
I'm sure the current Pope has some Jewish ancestors.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
And I'm sure they're all very proud of him.
Strengthen my steel should I falter
Smite my back should I flee
Save my soul should I fall
Official Recovering World of Warcraft Addict of The Ivory Tower
I don't think it's really on their minds right now.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Well, I do find it amusing, for a number of reasons.
First, I don't know what the Hell this man is talking about. There is not some mammoth "Chesterton movement" that has somehow alienated many of its fringe supporters by holding to a hardline on some anti-rationalist issue. The groups that do support him are varied and small, and we (I am privileged to use such a pronoun) do not pay nearly as much attention to his anti-rationalist thought as the author seems to think. I would die for Gilbert Chesterton, whether to stop a bullet for him while he was still alive, or in a duel about him today, but this does not mean I agree with everything the man said, or that I'm only in it for, as the author says, the "left hook at the rationalist."
He would know this himself if he looked into the matter. The American Chesterton Society is basically the largest game in town as far as GK goes, and their conference in June is centered on his Dickens work. Last years conference was about his early attacks on social injustice. Yeah, watch out rationalism.
Second of all, it needs to be said that the author is right, but not in the way that is implied. GK did aim some most excellent "left hooks" at the rationalists of his time, and looked at in that proper context they retain all of their mastery even if they've lost some of their power. This is not to say that we can not find any useful material against the materialists or reason against the rationalists, of course. We simply have to dig deeper than was required by the debate of that bygone age. I don't know that this is even actually a good thing, but it's definitely true.
I shall conclude by again saying that I was highly perplexed by his statement, seemingly thrown in for no real reason and with nothing to back it up. It must be remembered that Chesterton is hardly exalted in the same way that Lewis is. Unless the author is living in a very curious neighbourhood, populated by a mysteriously-high number of Chestertonians, all of whom are apparently living distinctly unChestertonian lives, I really don't see what he's driving at here, or the point he's trying to make.
For my own part, I have cooled, as I said, on Lewis. I still admire the work he has done in various fields, but there is only so much I can learn from an Anglican Protestant.
What (if I may ask) is Chris' family's position on his situation?
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From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
Well then, I admire their passion, insofar as it goes. We must always fight for our beliefs, because we must also suffer for them.
The only conclusion to which I can come is that he is - somehow - perturbed by what he perceives to be a slavish devotion to Chesterton on the part of a person or persons unnamed, and this was his way of getting back at them. Beyond that, I am at a loss.
They sound like a good sort, then. The world needs this kind of people.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
By the way, was it Chesterton who wrote The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare? I recall reading that book a number of years ago ( I may even have it), and the name Chesterton sounds familiar in corellation.
Yes, I believe we could sanction that.
Yeah. :/
Cultivate this friendship, for such things are rare, and abide forever.
Yes, he wrote it. It is a fun little book. I like it all the way up to the end, which I still sort of like, but not as much.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
"G. K. Chesterton makes me feel stupid. Even when his work is entirely predictable--as this novel was--I wonder if he meant for it to be so and if the joke is really on me for thinking I've made a discovery the author intended to be patently obvious. Chesterton can be tongue in cheek about being tongue in cheek. His tone is a a series of nested Chinese boxes; it defies me. The author professes to be shocked at each unveiling in this novel. Yet, by the time the third figure is unveiled in similar fashion, a reader might begin to wonder--could Chesterton have been serious when he has the narrator express shock? I wasn't shocked. I thought, "Should I be shocked that Chesterton is so unshocking?" You can't win when the writer seems so much more clever than you are."
Sad, really.
In any event, I must be off to work. There is an annoyingly long parade blocking off most of town, so I have to take the VERY long way. It's usually two minutes down the road. The route I must take will be about 20. Le sigh.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
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"When I am dead, I hope it may be said:
'His sins were scarlet, but his books were read.'"
This is the new hotness. The very sun flickers with uncertainty in its presence.
In short, I liked it. Hilaire Belloc was a cool dude.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
Here's to you, Urban II. You made a tough call.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
That said, the double-post has got to go. Merge 'em, I tell you. Merge!
In other news, I'm out of cigarettes, and I am sad.
I should think that you, as a simultaneous non-Muslim, would at least be neutral on the affair.
Unless you somehow imagine your situation today would be better had no efforts been made...?
Never! Hold the line!!!11
Well, some days we have to grow up all at once
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
Well, to each his own. I find it Thrilling.
You don't see how your situation might be worse with governments like that of Iran as the worldly majority rather than the current state of affairs?
The posts were on wildly-varying topics and separated by several hours. Besides, it's not like anyone was rushing to fill the gap, and I certainly wasn't going to wait around while Clermont's praises were going unsung.
I generally put things best, yes.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
Can you, in clear conscience, honestly say that it would definitely be the case? Yes, yes, I suppose. Just hope THE MODS!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1111 see it that way. I most certainly concur.
EDIT: C'mon lurkers, don't be scared. We don't bite. Well, Denver does. But he's not a real person anyway. He's...imaginary.
That's not what she was saying last night, baby.
To further elaborate: We prayed. Horizontally.
(Oh God, oh God, yes, oh God. And so on.)
Edit: Well, actually. . . The biting part, yes. The imaginary part, not so much.
Yes. The Muslim invasion of Europe, rape of Anatolia, and seizing of the Holy Land was most definitely "bleh."
I can, sir, and do.
That's true. I think the moment has passed, however.
Not exactly. He's more of a legendary amalgamation of a number of Epic Deeds under the name of a single personality. There were probably several such "Denvers," but his supporters - credulous buffoons that they are - have found it convenient for polemical purposes to ascribe all of their exploits to a single man. They've also made a great deal of it up, too, and it's difficult to separate fact from fiction.
Thankfully, we have the noble, ground-breaking work of people like the Denver Seminar, who have, via the magic of arbitrary opinion and coloured beads, finally managed to extract "the historical Denver" from the mess of lies and exaggerations that has so long been the norm. The whole world should rejoice at their findings, for they have presented a Denver who is unparalleled in tolerance and compassion, and may as well have never existed at all for all the impact that they've deigned to allow was his. When all is said and done, they tell us that something approaching only 2% of the material surrounding Denver can be called "true." This excludes entirely - some critics have said conveniently - all of the many aspects of Denver's nature that men have found so difficult to emulate and reconcile with their own lives.
Denver was devoured by wild dogs. Mystery solved.
From out that wine-dark fog,
And spake he unto all our crew:
"Go forth, and read my blog."
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Hope you enjoy.