Frankly, I've found that many gay men are so commitment-phobic that "hanging out" has become the new "dating" because it sounds less "serious" and so many want to be "friends first" and don't want to date right away (which is just another way of saying they have sex-driven agendas and want a **** buddy in my experience). So, I'm not sure where that boundary exists anymore, personally.
Frankly, I've found that many gay men are so commitment-phobic
Too true. I mean, look at me. I date casually, hookup often, and my few relationships have never lasted longer than six months. I don't mix well with commitment. Of course, that goes into most facets of my life beyond romance (never live in one place longer than a couple years, get bored with one job quickly, etc) so there's probably something more at work here than simple issues with romantic commitment.
As for my ideal date, I don't really go on typical dates much (my town has very limited options) but I like the dinner/walk/coffee combo. A lot of opportunity to talk and build rapport.
I've asked this question before and it seems my answer changes depending on my mood. I think a few things that don't change are: 1) I'd want to know it was a date. It can be casually hanging out with a guy just getting to know them or more formally at a restaurant, but I want to know this is a date; 2) I don't have to kiss or be intimate with them if it's a first date, but at the end of the date I want to still be excited about the person I was on the date with; 3) More than one part to the date would be optimal (like Mikey said: food+coffee+walk = fine by me)
But I don't get a lot of dates so "ideal" is mostly a pipe dream for me.
And also, moving to Oklahoma on Sunday. This will be the first time that I've lived outside of Texas in my 28 years. I know this is a silly thing to do, but I've checked my OKCupid match % and the max for anyone there on relationship is about 50%. Let's hope that's not the case lol or I'm going to be finding/making friends and sticking with them all the time and foregoing romance for another few years.
Then how do you know when you've crossed the boundary between hanging out and being on a date?
Uh, you talk about it?
I would deal with it like I deal with all of my relationships, romantic or otherwise, through honesty. I would be straight up from the start and say I like him if I did. I just can't imagine being in a position where it wasn't clear how I felt. *shrug*
More importantly, why would you need to know immediately? Let it grow organically. Sometimes the boundary isn't clear, why push it?
Frankly, I've found that many gay men are so commitment-phobic that "hanging out" has become the new "dating" because it sounds less "serious" and so many want to be "friends first" and don't want to date right away (which is just another way of saying they have sex-driven agendas and want a **** buddy in my experience). So, I'm not sure where that boundary exists anymore, personally.
It's hard, but know that there are gay guys out there who don't feel that way. I'm one, I know a couple who are that way. Granted, most of the other guys I know are more on the commitment-phobic side of things, but those of us who are open to a relationship are out there.
I would deal with it like I deal with all of my relationships, romantic or otherwise, through honesty. I would be straight up from the start and say I like him if I did. I just can't imagine being in a position where it wasn't clear how I felt. *shrug*
More importantly, why would you need to know immediately? Let it grow organically. Sometimes the boundary isn't clear, why push it?
You misunderstand me. Are you saying the only difference between a date and a non-date is what you choose to call it? I'm not asking about determining whether or not you went on a date by what happened.
You misunderstand me. Are you saying the only difference between a date and a non-date is what you choose to call it?
Well, yes and no. Dates can be very relaxed and appear much like a hangout session. Rarely do I do "date-like" activities with friends but it does happen (like going out to dinner/movie/coffee). It's not about the content of the hangout/date as much as it's about the attitude for me. Dates are about spending time with someone you are romantically interested in, hanging out is the same to me except with friends.
Dates are about spending time with someone you are romantically interested in, hanging out is the same to me except with friends.
So you're saying whether or not something is a date depends on their relationship to you?
But within a relationship, not all time-sharing activities are dates, so I'm still not certain I agree with this. The "date" concept seems to me to be a special occasion type of thing rather than every time you go out to eat.
So you're saying whether or not something is a date depends on their relationship to you?
But within a relationship, not all time-sharing activities are dates, so I'm still not certain I agree with this. The "date" concept seems to me to be a special occasion type of thing rather than every time you go out to eat.
I guess it can be said that there's a certain mood appropriate for a date. You're focused on each other and no one else. You're not answering your phone or complaining about your day. You're spending time connecting with each other and there's a level of romance involved that doesn't happen typically as you eat your honey buttered chicken biscuits at Whataburger drunken at 3 am on a Saturday night.
I would say the level of connectivity helps determine the difference between date and hanging out.
So you're saying whether or not something is a date depends on their relationship to you?
Something like that.
But within a relationship, not all time-sharing activities are dates, so I'm still not certain I agree with this. The "date" concept seems to me to be a special occasion type of thing rather than every time you go out to eat.
True. Maybe I'm just not into "dates" then, if that's how you define them. I'm more interested in just spending time with people I like.
So, apparently, being a gay gamer is the same as being a girl on the internet.
Playing League of Legends:
Male Friend: I'm coming for you Lux!
Player A: Hey, leave him alone, he's my boyfriend.
Female Friend: Everyone knows there's no girls on the internet. Are you saying you are gay?
Player B: Yup.
Player A: Exactly. How does it feel to be owned by a gay?
Me: Have you looked at the map recently? It doesn't look like you're owning us.
It was just the way he said it. The fact that he felt that being beaten by a gay (wo)man is somehow different than being beaten by anyone else.
More on topic, I seriously think that the major problem with homosexual commitment issues is the fear of being rejected. And more than that, the fear that you're seeing something that isn't there, that the other person is going to say, "Oh, wait, you meant THIS? Sorry, I'm not gay."
So, apparently, being a gay gamer is the same as being a girl on the internet.
Playing League of Legends:
Male Friend: I'm coming for you Lux!
Player A: Hey, leave him alone, he's my boyfriend.
Female Friend: Everyone knows there's no girls on the internet. Are you saying you are gay?
Player B: Yup.
Player A: Exactly. How does it feel to be owned by a gay?
Me: Have you looked at the map recently? It doesn't look like you're owning us.
It was just the way he said it. The fact that he felt that being beaten by a gay (wo)man is somehow different than being beaten by anyone else.
More on topic, I seriously think that the major problem with homosexual commitment issues is the fear of being rejected. And more than that, the fear that you're seeing something that isn't there, that the other person is going to say, "Oh, wait, you meant THIS? Sorry, I'm not gay."
I am not sure I agree about the fear of being rejected correlating to commitment issues.
I can see a defensive coil of circular logic about the issue though, specifically thinking about the number of gay people available to us to date. The number of gay people is tiny when compared to the number of hetero/flexible people that can date each other. You still have what you're attracted to guiding you so you self-limit your own dating pool by about 90% of that 10% that we're wiggling in. So of the 10% of the 10% of the world how many of them are near you, interested in you, single/open, and actually a match for you? So on the one hand I can see people committing way too early because they think they've found someone they can spend the rest of their life with (and potentially making bad decisions here). On the other hand I can also see people looking at the odds of finding the right guy as daunting to impossible and saying eff it and just fooling around "til i find the one who makes me want to stop."
I wasn't talking like that. I meant that, in my eyes, a lot of these gay men don't go flirting with views of commitment because they don't want to get their hopes up. With odds being that the guy their trying to flirt with is straight, why hope for commitment? More likely, you should hope he actually WANTS men before you hope he wants YOU.
I wasn't talking like that. I meant that, in my eyes, a lot of these gay men don't go flirting with views of commitment because they don't want to get their hopes up. With odds being that the guy their trying to flirt with is straight, why hope for commitment? More likely, you should hope he actually WANTS men before you hope he wants YOU.
I'm not following you at all. I don't see what one has to do with the other. When you talk of commitment it means commitment to someone who you have a mutual interest with. To me it makes no sense to bring up straight guys and how timid you might be in asking a guy out for fear of them being straight when considering why a homo is commitment-phobic. They're just not even in the same ball park of issues at all. One issue is I'm dating/have gone on dates with a guy who is interested in me, but I'm afraid to make a commitment to them. The other issue is just being afraid of rejection with regard to someone because they could potentially be disinterested. I don't see the leap in logic here. Could you explain this better? Also some conclusions I've drawn in the last year:
Never fear that the guy you're interested in is straight because:
1)It's not an insult to think he might be gay (why should it be insulting? You're into men, he very well could be too.)
2) Straight or gay, the fear of rejection doesn't actually protect you from anything. You shouldn't get your feelings hurt if someone says "no" regardless of their sexual alignment.
3) Fear feels like a lack of confidence in who you are and your worthiness to ask this person out. The answer is: You're always worthy if you're being yourself. (However, if being yourself means never asking anyone, you will have to do a little role playing. Face your fears, force yourself to do something that's potentially awkward or against character/makes you anxious. The more you do it, when it's in your own best interests, the easier it gets.)
Made Kyle a custom t-shirt for Christmas and it'd been in the printing process and it just came in the mail today:
*snip*
I've been dabbling in t-shirt design for a while and got serious about the idea of original designs and stuff for a bit and it kinda fell to the wayside, but after seeing something I designed right there in front of me and knowing how much Kyle liked it... it felt really, really good. Granted the shirt I made him was personal and not near as detailed in scope as some designs I've had in mind, but it's really got me excited about going somewhere with it.
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You might be right, blue. You probably have a lot more connections than I do with gay guys. I still think the fear of trying to strike something up with a straight guy make lower a guy's expectations, though.
Also, woot. Good news at the job. I'm sure everyone knows me and my boss don't see eye to eye. He's a good guy, but I don't feel he understands that management doesnt' excuse you from doing grunt work in a storefront. That said, he did the coolest thing he could do for me today. I pitched to him my plan to transfer stores to something closer to home in a few months so I'm here when Mom starts work. And he not only was okay with this (given that I had brought this up over a year ago when I got promoted), he made it clear that he's going to have a hard time replacing me, and that he's going to help in any way he can. And then spent about ten minutes singing my praises.
Ahh. Good stuff.
In addition, Munitio headphones. Hoping they are as good as the reviews claim.
You might be right, blue. You probably have a lot more connections than I do with gay guys. I still think the fear of trying to strike something up with a straight guy make lower a guy's expectations, though.
I have a lot of experience with gay guys compared to what I did last year. I've been making as many gay friends as I could and learning all their different personalities and quirks. Since I'm finding that gay guys have just as many varied personalities as straight people I'll use a straight analogy to get my point across here.
A straight girl does not shy away from commitment because she's afraid the guy she wants to ask out might be in a relationship.
I honestly just can't see what one has to do with the other. If you're afraid that the guy you want to ask out might be straight why would that affect your relationship with a gay guy down the road whom you're compatible enough with to warrant a commitment? I really would like to understand your point of view here.
I don't have any grand point of view or anything. It's an idle thought.
Basically, lowered expectations. You try with some guy/girl. You get decently far when something comes up. It could be that he's not gay, that he's extremely closeted and can't show his feelings around, that his family doesn't approve... Yadda yadda. Okay, fine. Move on. Next guy. Same problem. And this is a thing that you see nationally. This type of thing is a joke for many comics, many TV shows. Your expectations slowly lower themselves. While you may want a boyfriend to begin with, gradually you'll just settle for someone to spend time with as a friend, then you'll just settle for whatever you can get, because having high hopes isn't helping you.
I've seen this happen with straight people as well as gay folks. I can't help but feel it'd be more common with the homosexual crowd, given how many issues there are (not wanting to come out of the closet, not being gay, etc.) that you can't see from the get-go.
I don't have any grand point of view or anything. It's an idle thought.
Basically, lowered expectations. You try with some guy/girl. You get decently far when something comes up. It could be that he's not gay,
Well let me stop you there. How did you get so far with a guy that you were thinking about commitment and THEN you find out whether he's gay or not...? If this is happening to you, you're doing it wrong.
that he's extremely closeted and can't show his feelings around, that his family doesn't approve... Yadda yadda. Okay, fine. Move on. Next guy. Same problem. And this is a thing that you see nationally. This type of thing is a joke for many comics, many TV shows. Your expectations slowly lower themselves. While you may want a boyfriend to begin with, gradually you'll just settle for someone to spend time with as a friend, then you'll just settle for whatever you can get, because having high hopes isn't helping you.
I've seen this happen with straight people as well as gay folks. I can't help but feel it'd be more common with the homosexual crowd, given how many issues there are (not wanting to come out of the closet, not being gay, etc.) that you can't see from the get-go.
I think this has nothing to do with fear of commitment. Commitment meaning I'm in a relationship with someone and I want to stick with them openly or monogamously but with them at the very least for a long time. What you're describing isn't a fear of commitment but misdirected affection.
It may just be me. I'll have an expectation of something. If I fail, I shoot for a lower goal to gain some momentum. Even if I fail a fair sight previous to my original goal, I'll still lower my goals until I can find something I can do. But sometimes, that lowered expectation has reached a point where I don't want to try anymore.
I can imagine this can be similar within the gay community looking for commitment. You're not finding it, so you aim for less than a relationship. And then less still. Until you reach a point where all you're aiming for is a romp in bed, and that's just fine by you.
It may just be me. I'll have an expectation of something. If I fail, I shoot for a lower goal to gain some momentum. Even if I fail a fair sight previous to my original goal, I'll still lower my goals until I can find something I can do. But sometimes, that lowered expectation has reached a point where I don't want to try anymore.
I can imagine this can be similar within the gay community looking for commitment. You're not finding it, so you aim for less than a relationship. And then less still. Until you reach a point where all you're aiming for is a romp in bed, and that's just fine by you.
I see what you mean now. I guess the place we differ is that while I don't mind the occasional hookup I'm not settling for it. The ultimate goal is the same. I don't think that every guy I meet is going to be right for me for a relationship. But I also don't ascribe to the idea that if you enter into any kind of intimacy with a person the goal is to be in a long term relationship with them at the end of the day.
I guess what I mean is, it's not settling for a hookup to me. Trying to think of a good analogy for the way I think about this.....
Ok it's like this, I want to be a screenwriter. I want to make movies and adapt novels/comic books to the screen in some capacity. I also like watching netflix a LOT. Perhaps if I become successful as a screenwriter I won't have time for/as much interest in watching Netflix all the time. I'll have more things to do, and my tastes will evolve the more intimately I know scripts. Probably I'll have to find movies that speak to me as a writer versus the voyeuristic relationship I have with film at the moment. Netflix can't offer me all of that after a while because the selections are limited. This is the way I see hookups and relationships. Relationship is my ultimate goal. I want to be a screenwriter. Hookups are independent of relationships and don't hinder my goal unless I actively pursue the hookup instead of the relationship. If I'm content to watch Netflix movies instead of anything else, I probably won't be focusing enough on becoming a screenwriter to ever get it.
i've had my share of both hookups and committed relationships. when it comes to either there has to be a mutual expectation of commitment (or lack thereof). it seems like relationship issues have crept up when there's a discrepancy between these expectations. so sure we may defend ourselves against emotional pain by only expecting a sexual encounter, but that definitely doesn't preclude the possibility for romance in the future (or unexpected emotional involvement)....
It may just be the way I've heard people refer relationships. Some people, like my friend Amanda, actively seek it. The want it. Other people, like my friend Trance, don't think they'll ever get one and therefore don't even look. There are others, like my coworker Sara, who know they could get a relationship if they wanted. But they don't want to. They just want the hookup and that's about it.
Finally, there are those that want badly to get that relationship, but have been knocked down so many times that they don't aspire that high anymore.
It may just be the way I've heard people refer relationships. Some people, like my friend Amanda, actively seek it. The want it. Other people, like my friend Trance, don't think they'll ever get one and therefore don't even look. There are others, like my coworker Sara, who know they could get a relationship if they wanted. But they don't want to. They just want the hookup and that's about it.
Finally, there are those that want badly to get that relationship, but have been knocked down so many times that they don't aspire that high anymore.
Sounds more and more like a lot of supposition based on other people's experience. How often do you try to go out with someone?
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Too true. I mean, look at me. I date casually, hookup often, and my few relationships have never lasted longer than six months. I don't mix well with commitment. Of course, that goes into most facets of my life beyond romance (never live in one place longer than a couple years, get bored with one job quickly, etc) so there's probably something more at work here than simple issues with romantic commitment.
As for my ideal date, I don't really go on typical dates much (my town has very limited options) but I like the dinner/walk/coffee combo. A lot of opportunity to talk and build rapport.
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But I don't get a lot of dates so "ideal" is mostly a pipe dream for me.
And also, moving to Oklahoma on Sunday. This will be the first time that I've lived outside of Texas in my 28 years. I know this is a silly thing to do, but I've checked my OKCupid match % and the max for anyone there on relationship is about 50%. Let's hope that's not the case lol or I'm going to be finding/making friends and sticking with them all the time and foregoing romance for another few years.
Uh, you talk about it?
I would deal with it like I deal with all of my relationships, romantic or otherwise, through honesty. I would be straight up from the start and say I like him if I did. I just can't imagine being in a position where it wasn't clear how I felt. *shrug*
More importantly, why would you need to know immediately? Let it grow organically. Sometimes the boundary isn't clear, why push it?
It's hard, but know that there are gay guys out there who don't feel that way. I'm one, I know a couple who are that way. Granted, most of the other guys I know are more on the commitment-phobic side of things, but those of us who are open to a relationship are out there.
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Well, yes and no. Dates can be very relaxed and appear much like a hangout session. Rarely do I do "date-like" activities with friends but it does happen (like going out to dinner/movie/coffee). It's not about the content of the hangout/date as much as it's about the attitude for me. Dates are about spending time with someone you are romantically interested in, hanging out is the same to me except with friends.
Do you see it differently?
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But within a relationship, not all time-sharing activities are dates, so I'm still not certain I agree with this. The "date" concept seems to me to be a special occasion type of thing rather than every time you go out to eat.
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I guess it can be said that there's a certain mood appropriate for a date. You're focused on each other and no one else. You're not answering your phone or complaining about your day. You're spending time connecting with each other and there's a level of romance involved that doesn't happen typically as you eat your honey buttered chicken biscuits at Whataburger drunken at 3 am on a Saturday night.
I would say the level of connectivity helps determine the difference between date and hanging out.
True. Maybe I'm just not into "dates" then, if that's how you define them. I'm more interested in just spending time with people I like.
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Playing League of Legends:
Male Friend: I'm coming for you Lux!
Player A: Hey, leave him alone, he's my boyfriend.
Female Friend: Everyone knows there's no girls on the internet. Are you saying you are gay?
Player B: Yup.
Player A: Exactly. How does it feel to be owned by a gay?
Me: Have you looked at the map recently? It doesn't look like you're owning us.
It was just the way he said it. The fact that he felt that being beaten by a gay (wo)man is somehow different than being beaten by anyone else.
More on topic, I seriously think that the major problem with homosexual commitment issues is the fear of being rejected. And more than that, the fear that you're seeing something that isn't there, that the other person is going to say, "Oh, wait, you meant THIS? Sorry, I'm not gay."
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I am not sure I agree about the fear of being rejected correlating to commitment issues.
I can see a defensive coil of circular logic about the issue though, specifically thinking about the number of gay people available to us to date. The number of gay people is tiny when compared to the number of hetero/flexible people that can date each other. You still have what you're attracted to guiding you so you self-limit your own dating pool by about 90% of that 10% that we're wiggling in. So of the 10% of the 10% of the world how many of them are near you, interested in you, single/open, and actually a match for you? So on the one hand I can see people committing way too early because they think they've found someone they can spend the rest of their life with (and potentially making bad decisions here). On the other hand I can also see people looking at the odds of finding the right guy as daunting to impossible and saying eff it and just fooling around "til i find the one who makes me want to stop."
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I'm not following you at all. I don't see what one has to do with the other. When you talk of commitment it means commitment to someone who you have a mutual interest with. To me it makes no sense to bring up straight guys and how timid you might be in asking a guy out for fear of them being straight when considering why a homo is commitment-phobic. They're just not even in the same ball park of issues at all. One issue is I'm dating/have gone on dates with a guy who is interested in me, but I'm afraid to make a commitment to them. The other issue is just being afraid of rejection with regard to someone because they could potentially be disinterested. I don't see the leap in logic here. Could you explain this better? Also some conclusions I've drawn in the last year:
Never fear that the guy you're interested in is straight because:
1)It's not an insult to think he might be gay (why should it be insulting? You're into men, he very well could be too.)
2) Straight or gay, the fear of rejection doesn't actually protect you from anything. You shouldn't get your feelings hurt if someone says "no" regardless of their sexual alignment.
3) Fear feels like a lack of confidence in who you are and your worthiness to ask this person out. The answer is: You're always worthy if you're being yourself. (However, if being yourself means never asking anyone, you will have to do a little role playing. Face your fears, force yourself to do something that's potentially awkward or against character/makes you anxious. The more you do it, when it's in your own best interests, the easier it gets.)
*snip*
I've been dabbling in t-shirt design for a while and got serious about the idea of original designs and stuff for a bit and it kinda fell to the wayside, but after seeing something I designed right there in front of me and knowing how much Kyle liked it... it felt really, really good. Granted the shirt I made him was personal and not near as detailed in scope as some designs I've had in mind, but it's really got me excited about going somewhere with it.
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Also, woot. Good news at the job. I'm sure everyone knows me and my boss don't see eye to eye. He's a good guy, but I don't feel he understands that management doesnt' excuse you from doing grunt work in a storefront. That said, he did the coolest thing he could do for me today. I pitched to him my plan to transfer stores to something closer to home in a few months so I'm here when Mom starts work. And he not only was okay with this (given that I had brought this up over a year ago when I got promoted), he made it clear that he's going to have a hard time replacing me, and that he's going to help in any way he can. And then spent about ten minutes singing my praises.
Ahh. Good stuff.
In addition, Munitio headphones. Hoping they are as good as the reviews claim.
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I have a lot of experience with gay guys compared to what I did last year. I've been making as many gay friends as I could and learning all their different personalities and quirks. Since I'm finding that gay guys have just as many varied personalities as straight people I'll use a straight analogy to get my point across here.
A straight girl does not shy away from commitment because she's afraid the guy she wants to ask out might be in a relationship.
I honestly just can't see what one has to do with the other. If you're afraid that the guy you want to ask out might be straight why would that affect your relationship with a gay guy down the road whom you're compatible enough with to warrant a commitment? I really would like to understand your point of view here.
Basically, lowered expectations. You try with some guy/girl. You get decently far when something comes up. It could be that he's not gay, that he's extremely closeted and can't show his feelings around, that his family doesn't approve... Yadda yadda. Okay, fine. Move on. Next guy. Same problem. And this is a thing that you see nationally. This type of thing is a joke for many comics, many TV shows. Your expectations slowly lower themselves. While you may want a boyfriend to begin with, gradually you'll just settle for someone to spend time with as a friend, then you'll just settle for whatever you can get, because having high hopes isn't helping you.
I've seen this happen with straight people as well as gay folks. I can't help but feel it'd be more common with the homosexual crowd, given how many issues there are (not wanting to come out of the closet, not being gay, etc.) that you can't see from the get-go.
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Well let me stop you there. How did you get so far with a guy that you were thinking about commitment and THEN you find out whether he's gay or not...? If this is happening to you, you're doing it wrong.
I think this has nothing to do with fear of commitment. Commitment meaning I'm in a relationship with someone and I want to stick with them openly or monogamously but with them at the very least for a long time. What you're describing isn't a fear of commitment but misdirected affection.
I can imagine this can be similar within the gay community looking for commitment. You're not finding it, so you aim for less than a relationship. And then less still. Until you reach a point where all you're aiming for is a romp in bed, and that's just fine by you.
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I see what you mean now. I guess the place we differ is that while I don't mind the occasional hookup I'm not settling for it. The ultimate goal is the same. I don't think that every guy I meet is going to be right for me for a relationship. But I also don't ascribe to the idea that if you enter into any kind of intimacy with a person the goal is to be in a long term relationship with them at the end of the day.
I guess what I mean is, it's not settling for a hookup to me. Trying to think of a good analogy for the way I think about this.....
Ok it's like this, I want to be a screenwriter. I want to make movies and adapt novels/comic books to the screen in some capacity. I also like watching netflix a LOT. Perhaps if I become successful as a screenwriter I won't have time for/as much interest in watching Netflix all the time. I'll have more things to do, and my tastes will evolve the more intimately I know scripts. Probably I'll have to find movies that speak to me as a writer versus the voyeuristic relationship I have with film at the moment. Netflix can't offer me all of that after a while because the selections are limited. This is the way I see hookups and relationships. Relationship is my ultimate goal. I want to be a screenwriter. Hookups are independent of relationships and don't hinder my goal unless I actively pursue the hookup instead of the relationship. If I'm content to watch Netflix movies instead of anything else, I probably won't be focusing enough on becoming a screenwriter to ever get it.
Finally, there are those that want badly to get that relationship, but have been knocked down so many times that they don't aspire that high anymore.
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Sounds more and more like a lot of supposition based on other people's experience. How often do you try to go out with someone?
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