I'm Gen X. I did not have a cell phone until college and it was a Zac Morris cell phone. I had a computer in middle school but it was an IBM 386. Otherwise, we played football with kids in our neighborhood or some Atari / Nintendo.
Social Networking Gen Y
It's hit or miss, but in general pre-90's children just don't 'get' it, except for maybe Facebook, and we're rapidly dropping that as we realize how it can hurt our careers. We're also from the era of 'Stranger Danger', and we're a lot more suspicious of the internet. If we were bullied, we could come home from school to escape it.
What? I have only ever heard how Facebook and LinkedIn are almost mandatory for certain professions, especially if you work in media at all.
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“A man's at odds to know his mind cause his mind is aught he has to know it with. He can know his heart, but he dont want to. Rightly so. Best not to look in there. It aint the heart of a creature that is bound in the way that God has set for it. You can find meanness in the least of creatures, but when God made man the devil was at his elbow. A creature that can do anything. Make a machine. And a machine to make the machine. And evil that can run itself a thousand years, no need to tend it.”
― Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West
According to the way generations are grouped my brother and I are in the same generation. This is disturbing because I was born in 1983 and he was born in 1998! The times could not be more different. >.< Talking to him about my childhood is akin to talking about horse and buggy to a person who grew up around only cars. The kid has never used a card catalog, a typewriter, a rotary phone, or a floppy disk! So I refuse to believe he and I are in the same generation at all.
What? I have only ever heard how Facebook and LinkedIn are almost mandatory for certain professions, especially if you work in media at all.
I have LinkedIn and Facebook, my point was I'm not religious about either and I'm actually very discerning in how I use Facebook and who I connect it to.
As opposed to people only a little younger than me that seem to think they can post anything to facebook and not have consequences.
The fact that I've had to take seminars at work called "How to teach Millennials" just makes me feel old - and like 22 year olds are a different species.
The fact that I've had to take seminars at work called "How to teach Millennials" just makes me feel old - and like 22 year olds are a different species.
Well, they did grow up in an entirely different world. Russia has always been an ally, Terrorism is the threat of the day, no one phone calls one another anymore, and they have been able to answer any questions within seconds on the interwebs.
Step one: Use your babification ray to turn said millennial into an infant.
Step two: Use your time gun to send the infant to sometime between 1979 and 1983.
That will teach them to grow up the right way!
As someone who was born in 1981, and grew up with many of those people, I have to say, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Sure, a few of us turned out fine, but by and large, the current 30-35 year old culture is kind of creepy. The sense of selfish entitlement is still strong (though not as much as the previous generation), and there is a definite lack of the growing social responsibility of the following generation. But that's my own observation, and has no basis in any statistical evaluation. I kinda hope I'm wrong about the boomers and GenXers, I'd like for there to be something left for the Millenials when they take charge in about 20-30 years.
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A polite player might call my card choices "interesting." At my budget, "interesting" is the only option.
The whole notion of "generations" as homogeneous lumps is complete unscientific nonsense bunk.
I mean if you want to know how to manage gen Y staff you do the following: Treat them as individuals who are all different from each other, just like you would anyone else.
No, I am pretty sure the social, economic and political circumstances which served as the backdrop of your upbringing, in conjunction with the time in which your parents were raised has a tremendous impact on the development of an entire generation. Sociology has shown us this. People who grew up in the very racist south or in East Germany tend to have a different outlook than people raised in other times.
No, I am pretty sure the social, economic and political circumstances which served as the backdrop of your upbringing, in conjunction with the time in which your parents were raised has a tremendous impact on the development of an entire generation. Sociology has shown us this. People who grew up in the very racist south or in East Germany tend to have a different outlook than people raised in other times.
The notion that someone born 1 year after me is radically different from me is total BS nonsense.
Where you were born, how well off your parents were, health - these are all much much bigger factors than the date you were born.
Are there some broad social trends based on date of birth (and location of birth)? Yes, but - not people born a decade before me. Two years, *maybe*, if born or raised in similar social circumstances.
"Generation X" and "Generation Y" are about as useful a real world predictor of someone's behaviour as "Year of the snake" or "Leo".
I don't know, but I think they made a mistake with Gen Y/Millennials. People born after, say 1988 are drastically different overall from people born before it.
I grew up with an Atari 2600 and an Apple IIe. Social Networking wasn't a thing until I hit college, and texting wasn't really a thing (because they were still charging so much more it) until late in college. I was working in my career before the IPhone came out.
Compare that to someone who used social networking in middle school, has been texting all their lives, etc, and you find two very different cultures. It amazes me that sociologists don't seem to get this.
You sound older than me but I see a difference in people I know a couple years younger than me (about to turn 28, born in 85). I remember lots of world events but I was intellectually ahead of my peers (my household was a serious "we watch the news here" kind of one) . Some people my age are all about the tech stuff. Definitely 87/88 but you see a few Gen Y's my age around 85/86........which is annoying.
Just depends.
I'm still a child of grunge, post gen x foreverrrrrrr.
After thought (Dude, I remember when someone explained what facebook was freshmen year of college and I was like "What? Why?" Then ended up briefly in online music marketing that oddly my very gen x friend did.
I realize that this is a little bit late; but, here's an example that modern media refers to Gen X as those born in the 1980 - 1989.
Cage The Elephant - In One Ear
They say I'm just a stupid kid
Another crazy radical
Rock'n'roll is dead
I probably should have stayed in school
Another generation X
Who somehow slipped up through the cracks
Oh they'd love to see me fall
But I'm already on my back
- Michael Schultz (born October 23, 1983)
If this thread had stuck to the definitions I defined, there would be a lot less discussion about being unable to define a generation or being unable to relate to peers. Hahaha...
The fact that I've had to take seminars at work called "How to teach Millennials" just makes me feel old - and like 22 year olds are a different species.
I've always had the leadership stake that people need to learn the low value chain stuff and the high value chain work. Sometimes can make work loads a bit more difficult, but in the end that sort of thing has helped to have people step up to the plate. I'm not a big believer in asking for opportunities, because some people are meek and mild. While you can't "thrust people," you put them with your best of the best and eventually people create their own way of doing things. High expectations with good people who love their work around youngsters moves them up the value chain quicker than having them sit in the proverbial "mail room" waiting to "prove themselves." If the kid's got an education, I want to start using it day one. Let the high school drop out or the retired old fart who doesn't care anymore sort mail. Or that really good mentally challenged gal that enjoys repetitive activities.
I never got the whole "working your way up from the bottom." Most people at some time have worked in a store or restaurant, so doesn't that count?
I'm always looking for good talent. It's how I can replace people faster or buttress certain teams by being able to bring people together that I know work together well and compliment each other in skill. I'm a Fordist at heart, and only believe in what's best. If you don't facilitate a person's dreams, then what value are you to them? You can't buy loyalty and you can't demand respect. You earn loyalty, and you earn respect. Both of which are difficult to earn and easy to lose.
Give me a youngster or some crusty old person that's got a good personality and a willingness to learn with a few good to great skills in a few areas to build on, and give it a whirl. Let people surprise you.
"I expect you to fail at this the first time, and to try your best and in the end to have a mediocre result. We'll go through different experiences over time to refine the qualities you bring to the table will take place over months and years. That's the only way to move people up. You work hard, you get more challenges. That's what defines power. Go forth and conquer."
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Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
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What? I have only ever heard how Facebook and LinkedIn are almost mandatory for certain professions, especially if you work in media at all.
― Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West
I have LinkedIn and Facebook, my point was I'm not religious about either and I'm actually very discerning in how I use Facebook and who I connect it to.
As opposed to people only a little younger than me that seem to think they can post anything to facebook and not have consequences.
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Step one: Use your babification ray to turn said millennial into an infant.
Step two: Use your time gun to send the infant to sometime between 1979 and 1983.
That will teach them to grow up the right way!
Well, they did grow up in an entirely different world. Russia has always been an ally, Terrorism is the threat of the day, no one phone calls one another anymore, and they have been able to answer any questions within seconds on the interwebs.
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As someone who was born in 1981, and grew up with many of those people, I have to say, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Sure, a few of us turned out fine, but by and large, the current 30-35 year old culture is kind of creepy. The sense of selfish entitlement is still strong (though not as much as the previous generation), and there is a definite lack of the growing social responsibility of the following generation. But that's my own observation, and has no basis in any statistical evaluation. I kinda hope I'm wrong about the boomers and GenXers, I'd like for there to be something left for the Millenials when they take charge in about 20-30 years.
I mean if you want to know how to manage gen Y staff you do the following: Treat them as individuals who are all different from each other, just like you would anyone else.
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The notion that someone born 1 year after me is radically different from me is total BS nonsense.
Where you were born, how well off your parents were, health - these are all much much bigger factors than the date you were born.
Are there some broad social trends based on date of birth (and location of birth)? Yes, but - not people born a decade before me. Two years, *maybe*, if born or raised in similar social circumstances.
"Generation X" and "Generation Y" are about as useful a real world predictor of someone's behaviour as "Year of the snake" or "Leo".
You sound older than me but I see a difference in people I know a couple years younger than me (about to turn 28, born in 85). I remember lots of world events but I was intellectually ahead of my peers (my household was a serious "we watch the news here" kind of one) . Some people my age are all about the tech stuff. Definitely 87/88 but you see a few Gen Y's my age around 85/86........which is annoying.
Just depends.
I'm still a child of grunge, post gen x foreverrrrrrr.
After thought (Dude, I remember when someone explained what facebook was freshmen year of college and I was like "What? Why?" Then ended up briefly in online music marketing that oddly my very gen x friend did.
Cage The Elephant - In One Ear
- Michael Schultz (born October 23, 1983)
If this thread had stuck to the definitions I defined, there would be a lot less discussion about being unable to define a generation or being unable to relate to peers. Hahaha...
I've always had the leadership stake that people need to learn the low value chain stuff and the high value chain work. Sometimes can make work loads a bit more difficult, but in the end that sort of thing has helped to have people step up to the plate. I'm not a big believer in asking for opportunities, because some people are meek and mild. While you can't "thrust people," you put them with your best of the best and eventually people create their own way of doing things. High expectations with good people who love their work around youngsters moves them up the value chain quicker than having them sit in the proverbial "mail room" waiting to "prove themselves." If the kid's got an education, I want to start using it day one. Let the high school drop out or the retired old fart who doesn't care anymore sort mail. Or that really good mentally challenged gal that enjoys repetitive activities.
I never got the whole "working your way up from the bottom." Most people at some time have worked in a store or restaurant, so doesn't that count?
I'm always looking for good talent. It's how I can replace people faster or buttress certain teams by being able to bring people together that I know work together well and compliment each other in skill. I'm a Fordist at heart, and only believe in what's best. If you don't facilitate a person's dreams, then what value are you to them? You can't buy loyalty and you can't demand respect. You earn loyalty, and you earn respect. Both of which are difficult to earn and easy to lose.
Give me a youngster or some crusty old person that's got a good personality and a willingness to learn with a few good to great skills in a few areas to build on, and give it a whirl. Let people surprise you.
"I expect you to fail at this the first time, and to try your best and in the end to have a mediocre result. We'll go through different experiences over time to refine the qualities you bring to the table will take place over months and years. That's the only way to move people up. You work hard, you get more challenges. That's what defines power. Go forth and conquer."
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.