When I first started playing Magic, most players were GenX, but there were a good amount of baby boomers playing as well. Most Gen Y and New Millennials were playing Pokemon. Now I wondered if the Demographic has shifted. So, as Magic players, are you a Boomer, GenX or Gen Y/Millennial?
Boomer - Born 1946 - 1964
GenX - Born 1965 - 1979
GenY - Born 1980 - 2001
REALLY!? That is fascinating! What did you think your Generation was called? Did you even conceive of it having a name? You should look into it sometime, it is interesting to see what academics list as significant to your generation. For example, it lists The Cure as being a very important band to GenX, which I would agree, but they also list Nirvana which I can just take or leave.
Boomer - Born 1946 - 1964
GenX - Born 1965 - 1979
GenY - Born 1980 - 2001
That's not how I define the generations.
My definition is....
Baby Boomers (born in 60's)
90's... (born in 70's)
GenX (born in 80's)
GenY (born in 90's)
GenZ (born in 00's)
Anybody can use the last two digits of their birth year rounded down +20 as well. (I.e. "I'm a 70's guy" for someone born in the 50's.) GenX, Y, and Z came into popularity as 00's and 10's doesn't have the ring to it. GenZ is to discern between the 2020's from the 1920's; but, technically you could say 20's as well.
I realize that the phrase "Gen X" came into being long ago and originally designated a different time period but I believe modern references of Gen X in the news media refers to those born in the 80's. For example, GenX (in their 30's) are starting to become parents and GenY (in their 20's) are having difficulty joining the workforce.
REALLY!? That is fascinating! What did you think your Generation was called? Did you even conceive of it having a name?
Nope. Never thought my generation had a name. I heard the baby boomers, and I figured I was in the "support the baby boomers with taxes when they retire" generation.
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Yeah, I don't think there are hard, definitive categories. I kind of averaged form a few sources and my own experiences. I have noticed that early GenY'rs (like 1980-81) who have GenX siblings tend to be more like GenX, though my friends at the end of the Boomers have some very GenX tendencies as well.
The baby Boom happened right after WWII, so many times it begins with kids born right after the war. Baby boomers had their adolescence or young adulthood in the sixties.
From Wikipedia:
Various authors have delimited the baby boom period differently. The United States Census Bureau considers a baby boomer to be someone born during the demographic birth boom between 1946 and 1964.[9]Landon Jones, in his book Great Expectations: America and the Baby Boom Generation (1980), defined the span of the baby-boom generation as extending from 1943 through 1960, when annual births increased over 4,000,000. Authors William Strauss and Neil Howe, well known for their generational theory, define the social generation of Boomers as the cohorts born from 1943 to 1960, who were too young to have any personal memory of World War II, but old enough to remember the postwar American High.[10]
Also from Wiki:
Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation,[1] is the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no definitive dates for when Generation Y starts and ends. Commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1980s to the early 2000s.
But as for the second part of your statement there, I never really got into card games as a kid. Had a couple random Pokemon, Digimon, YuGio, & Magic cards of no value given to me by school-friends back in the day just because I liked the art or the shininess but only got into actually playing with cards (Magic... of course...) very recently.
I was kind of peripherally aware of the shows related to some of the card games at least (the benefit of having a sibling nearly 10 year younger than I am) but again, just not that into it.
I not only disagree with the ages you've provided, but I also disagree with the breakdown of generations. Edit: For instance, although my siblings are also of the same generation, other classifications would suggest that we belong to different generations and grew up with different formative contexts, have different attitudes and values, identify with different cultures, etc.
Furthermore, I think you should be aware that these generations more or less only apply to Western, particularly American, society.
I highly doubt that there are more than a handful of baby boomers, if any really, who will vote on this.
I'm technically a Gen Y/Millennial. I swear they changed it around 2000, though, because I grew up constantly being marketed to as 'Gen X'. So I'd say I'm borderline between the two. I'd rather not be counted in the same generation of kids who were born in the new Millenium, or even the 90s, because my experiences growing up with technology were so much different than theirs.
I'm technically a Gen Y/Millennial. I swear they changed it around 2000, though, because I grew up constantly being marketed to as 'Gen X'. So I'd say I'm borderline between the two. I'd rather not be counted in the same generation of kids who were born in the new Millenium, or even the 90s, because my experiences growing up with technology were so much different than theirs.
Much the same here.
When I was growing up, I was categorised as a Gen ?er and was later categorised as a Gen ??er. I was confused, as I was when I heard that Pluto was demoted, and sort of felt part of my identity changed or was lost.
I also fully feel you on not being clustered with people with people who didn't live through and with the same Zeitgeist. In fact, I find it outrageous and outraging to think that Gen Y could encompass from those who knew and may have even sported awfully fashionable A Flock of Seagulls mullets to older Beliebers, for instance.
Who ever defines these things (sociologists? historians? random journos? legislators and/or judges? [probably not... :tongue:])? How many? Which ones? It'd be quite interested to know, no?
Who ever defines these things (sociologists? historians? random journos? legislators and/or judges? [probably not... :tongue:])? How many? Which ones? It'd be quite interested to know, no?
I don't know, but I think they made a mistake with Gen Y/Millennials. People born after, say 1988 are drastically different overall from people born before it.
I grew up with an Atari 2600 and an Apple IIe. Social Networking wasn't a thing until I hit college, and texting wasn't really a thing (because they were still charging so much more it) until late in college. I was working in my career before the IPhone came out.
Compare that to someone who used social networking in middle school, has been texting all their lives, etc, and you find two very different cultures. It amazes me that sociologists don't seem to get this.
I got a lot of it from my Sociology classes. I'll see if I can find a nice, neat infographic that sums them up. The one I am thinking of also includes the War Generation (AKA The Greatest Generation) before the Boomers and the Lost Generation just before them. And yes, I am sure these come from a Western society perspective, specially the Lost Generation, War Generation and Baby Boomers, who influences are strongly tied to the American experience in WWi and WWII. I have even asked my Black friends if the same generalizations apply to their culture and they have said pretty much for blacks who were raised in the North, but that Southern Blacks have different defining aspects of their generation until about GenX when they start to merge.
I don't know, but I think they made a mistake with Gen Y/Millennials. People born after, say 1988 are drastically different overall from people born before it.
I grew up with an Atari 2600 and an Apple IIe. Social Networking wasn't a thing until I hit college, and texting wasn't really a thing (because they were still charging so much more it) until late in college. I was working in my career before the IPhone came out.
Compare that to someone who used social networking in middle school, has been texting all their lives, etc, and you find two very different cultures. It amazes me that sociologists don't seem to get this.
But, wouldn't you say getting exposure to the more advanced Atari and Apples at a younger age than some of a previous generation helped you adapt to integrating tech into life more smoothly? For example, I had a computer in the early 80's and I have done great using tech seamlessly with life up to a point. The latest that I have been able to use efficiently form my work is social media. Though, I missed some sort of cutoff because I just don't get twitter and Instagram, but my sister, just two years younger than me, with more GenY friends, just intuitively is able to incorporate them more into her career. Like she hashtags everything in her portfolio for great results. My portfolio is mostly essays, plays and other writing, where does one #hashtag a .pdf? Does Academia not use that type of networking to get their work out there?
I always find myself fascinated by these discussions since I am a hybrid of two systems of 'generations'.
My family emigrated from Poland in 1987 so my childhood in the 80s was primarily influenced by the extreme cynicism of the tail-end of communist Poland (the Komuna period as my parents like to call it). We finally settled in Canada in 1989 but I did not really culturally integrate till 1992-93.
So the fear of nuclear was did not influence me as much as my Western counterparts but I also missed the misguided optimism of "fall of communism" Poland. The early 90s are a blur to me and I missed most of the cultural influences that affected my fellow high school students. Any Western pop references from the 80s are mostly lost on me.
But, wouldn't you say getting exposure to the more advanced Atari and Apples at a younger age than some of a previous generation helped you adapt to integrating tech into life more smoothly? For example, I had a computer in the early 80's and I have done great using tech seamlessly with life up to a point. The latest that I have been able to use efficiently form my work is social media. Though, I missed some sort of cutoff because I just don't get twitter and Instagram, but my sister, just two years younger than me, with more GenY friends, just intuitively is able to incorporate them more into her career. Like she hashtags everything in her portfolio for great results. My portfolio is mostly essays, plays and other writing, where does one #hashtag a .pdf? Does Academia not use that type of networking to get their work out there?
The first chart you posted, I think, is far more accurate than your second link. Restricting Gen Y to about 1978-1990.
I think Gen Y and Gen 'Z' as they are called have similarities, but there are a few key differences. We're both tech-savvy, but how we use that technology is different. For instance.
Social Networking Gen Y
It's hit or miss, but in general pre-90's children just don't 'get' it, except for maybe Facebook, and we're rapidly dropping that as we realize how it can hurt our careers. We're also from the era of 'Stranger Danger', and we're a lot more suspicious of the internet. If we were bullied, we could come home from school to escape it.
Gen Z
Social Network is part of their lives, as is oversharing. They don't realize the consequences of the internet as a whole, having always had it as part of their life. They probably don't remember the sound of a dial-up modem, either. They more easily integrate the various aspects of social networking into their lives, and are both benefited and hurt by it. Bullies followed them home on the internet.
This list could go on for perspective on Government (we grew up with Clinton being very popular amongst kids, they grew up with Bush being unpopular among most people. We had a say in Bush term 2, they didn't. The Cold War was a childhood nightmare for us, and Russians are natural villains. They grew up with Middle East Conflicts and Terrorists being natural villains. Things like that which ultimately affect world view. It's amazing bringing my buddy's 23-year-old Girlfriend into our group of late 20's, early 30's people, because her world view is just so different. More importantly, Gen Y is much, much less likely to have been coddled by parents, although we did grow up in the 'You are special' era, however not to the extent that later generations did.
I always find myself fascinated by these discussions since I am a hybrid of two systems of 'generations'.
My family emigrated from Poland in 1987 so my childhood in the 80s was primarily influenced by the extreme cynicism of the tail-end of communist Poland (the Komuna period as my parents like to call it). We finally settled in Canada in 1989 but I did not really culturally integrate till 1992-93.
So the fear of nuclear was did not influence me as much as my Western counterparts but I also missed the misguided optimism of "fall of communism" Poland. The early 90s are a blur to me and I missed most of the cultural influences that affected my fellow high school students. Any Western pop references from the 80s are mostly lost on me.
POLSKA! I'm a quarter Polish, althought it's funny because I grew up with much more Polish influences than Italian, even though I got the Italian last name (my grandfather was Italian, Grandma was Polish/Irish but all Polish culturally). My dad even went to a Polish Catholic school and speaks fluent Polish.
The whole labeling of generations thing is tricky, because you're trying to describe one thing (a cultural zeitgheist), by quantifying it with something that is only one of dozens of relevant factors (birth year).
I think I'm a fair example myself. I was born in '81, right in the "contested zone" between GenX and the Millennials. My parents were Boomers, so that should place me squarely in the GenX camp, but my ideals and ethics are vastly more similar to the mid- or later-Millenials. Most of the other people that I know in the early Millenial age group (born up to about 86-87) exhibit traits that are very GenX, at least where I currently live.
Where I grew up, both Boomer and GenX attitudes and culture didn't make a strong impact, so the boundaries between the two are hard to see. The advent of Millenial culture seems to have been adopted much more readily; I think because the western media saturation reached it's climax later (sometime in the mid to late '80s), and because it was a less drastic shift from the traditional culture in many ways.
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The whole labeling of generations thing is tricky, because you're trying to describe one thing (a cultural zeitgheist), by quantifying it with something that is only one of dozens of relevant factors (birth year).
This is pretty true. Trying to describe a generation is very difficult and extremely inaccurate.
Yes, but under the lens of sociology, the majority of people born within those years (in the US in this case) grew up against a similar backdrop, coming into contact with similar media, events, so even with varying degrees of variation, they are products of the same period of time which should give them some similarity in outlook, but not a total carbon copy. I find this idea interesting because my GenX peers that I interact with do fall within what is described: distrust of institutions, acceptance of all people, changing jobs often, wanting to see change in their locality, drawn towards development of the self, etc.
I never really identified with Baby Boomers, I identified more with Gen X. As with each oncoming generation, I identify more with my juniors than my seniors. I enjoyed the WWII generation and the Silent Generation... but they're dying off or long since retired. I just see Boomers as lazy and entitled, all talk and little action towards simple problems. Equally I blame them for the major dysfunction in government today. I welcome our New Millenial Overlords as they come to age in the 2020's and 2030's, as demographically the Boomers are retiring and Gen X is demographically smaller than Millenials.
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Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
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I was born in 1982 and feel that I identify pretty strongly with Gen Y/millenials. I grew up with the Internet (literally), as I was on the CompuServe forums back in 1991 when I was 9, and the Internet was pretty limited at that point. The dominance of the Internet seems to be the defining characteristic of Gen Y, while it could be argued that the original 1980s MTV culture pretty much defined Gen X. Of course, this definition of Gen X is subject to interpretation and is limited to the US by definition.
Even though I identify more with Millenials, most of my friends are older than myself and would be considered Gen X. I'd have to say I'm probably on the cusp of both.
I'm technically a Gen Y/Millennial. I swear they changed it around 2000, though, because I grew up constantly being marketed to as 'Gen X'. So I'd say I'm borderline between the two. I'd rather not be counted in the same generation of kids who were born in the new Millenium, or even the 90s, because my experiences growing up with technology were so much different than theirs.
I 100% agree. It's hard to identify with kids who grew up with internet and cellphones being taken for granted. I didn't even have the internet until I was 16 and we had dial-up until senior year of high school. And we had a family cellphone that I shared with my parents when I was 19. My first videogame system was an Atari I played on a 13-inch black and white tv. My formative years were nothing like those of your typical Gen Y'er.
I'm too young to be Gen X, but I identify with them more than the generation I supposedly should identify with. I think as technology has evolved at exponential speeds, the lengths of our generations are shortening. I think being born between 78 and 88 or so led to a very different upbringing and subsequent worldview than being born after that.
Boomer - Born 1946 - 1964
GenX - Born 1965 - 1979
GenY - Born 1980 - 2001
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My definition is....
Baby Boomers (born in 60's)
90's... (born in 70's)
GenX (born in 80's)
GenY (born in 90's)
GenZ (born in 00's)
Anybody can use the last two digits of their birth year rounded down +20 as well. (I.e. "I'm a 70's guy" for someone born in the 50's.) GenX, Y, and Z came into popularity as 00's and 10's doesn't have the ring to it. GenZ is to discern between the 2020's from the 1920's; but, technically you could say 20's as well.
I realize that the phrase "Gen X" came into being long ago and originally designated a different time period but I believe modern references of Gen X in the news media refers to those born in the 80's. For example, GenX (in their 30's) are starting to become parents and GenY (in their 20's) are having difficulty joining the workforce.
Nope. Never thought my generation had a name. I heard the baby boomers, and I figured I was in the "support the baby boomers with taxes when they retire" generation.
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The baby Boom happened right after WWII, so many times it begins with kids born right after the war. Baby boomers had their adolescence or young adulthood in the sixties.
From Wikipedia:
Various authors have delimited the baby boom period differently. The United States Census Bureau considers a baby boomer to be someone born during the demographic birth boom between 1946 and 1964.[9] Landon Jones, in his book Great Expectations: America and the Baby Boom Generation (1980), defined the span of the baby-boom generation as extending from 1943 through 1960, when annual births increased over 4,000,000. Authors William Strauss and Neil Howe, well known for their generational theory, define the social generation of Boomers as the cohorts born from 1943 to 1960, who were too young to have any personal memory of World War II, but old enough to remember the postwar American High.[10]
Also from Wiki:
Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation,[1] is the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no definitive dates for when Generation Y starts and ends. Commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1980s to the early 2000s.
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But as for the second part of your statement there, I never really got into card games as a kid. Had a couple random Pokemon, Digimon, YuGio, & Magic cards of no value given to me by school-friends back in the day just because I liked the art or the shininess but only got into actually playing with cards (Magic... of course...) very recently.
I was kind of peripherally aware of the shows related to some of the card games at least (the benefit of having a sibling nearly 10 year younger than I am) but again, just not that into it.
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Furthermore, I think you should be aware that these generations more or less only apply to Western, particularly American, society.
I highly doubt that there are more than a handful of baby boomers, if any really, who will vote on this.
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Much the same here.
When I was growing up, I was categorised as a Gen ?er and was later categorised as a Gen ??er. I was confused, as I was when I heard that Pluto was demoted, and sort of felt part of my identity changed or was lost.
I also fully feel you on not being clustered with people with people who didn't live through and with the same Zeitgeist. In fact, I find it outrageous and outraging to think that Gen Y could encompass from those who knew and may have even sported awfully fashionable A Flock of Seagulls mullets to older Beliebers, for instance.
Who ever defines these things (sociologists? historians? random journos? legislators and/or judges? [probably not... :tongue:])? How many? Which ones? It'd be quite interested to know, no?
I don't know, but I think they made a mistake with Gen Y/Millennials. People born after, say 1988 are drastically different overall from people born before it.
I grew up with an Atari 2600 and an Apple IIe. Social Networking wasn't a thing until I hit college, and texting wasn't really a thing (because they were still charging so much more it) until late in college. I was working in my career before the IPhone came out.
Compare that to someone who used social networking in middle school, has been texting all their lives, etc, and you find two very different cultures. It amazes me that sociologists don't seem to get this.
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This chart is OK, but not exactly what I wanted: http://www.esds1.pt/site/images/stories/isacosta/secondary_pages/10%C2%BA_block1/Generations%20Chart.pdf
This one is decent too: http://www.marketingteacher.com/lesson-store/lesson-six-living-generations.html
But, wouldn't you say getting exposure to the more advanced Atari and Apples at a younger age than some of a previous generation helped you adapt to integrating tech into life more smoothly? For example, I had a computer in the early 80's and I have done great using tech seamlessly with life up to a point. The latest that I have been able to use efficiently form my work is social media. Though, I missed some sort of cutoff because I just don't get twitter and Instagram, but my sister, just two years younger than me, with more GenY friends, just intuitively is able to incorporate them more into her career. Like she hashtags everything in her portfolio for great results. My portfolio is mostly essays, plays and other writing, where does one #hashtag a .pdf? Does Academia not use that type of networking to get their work out there?
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My family emigrated from Poland in 1987 so my childhood in the 80s was primarily influenced by the extreme cynicism of the tail-end of communist Poland (the Komuna period as my parents like to call it). We finally settled in Canada in 1989 but I did not really culturally integrate till 1992-93.
So the fear of nuclear was did not influence me as much as my Western counterparts but I also missed the misguided optimism of "fall of communism" Poland. The early 90s are a blur to me and I missed most of the cultural influences that affected my fellow high school students. Any Western pop references from the 80s are mostly lost on me.
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The first chart you posted, I think, is far more accurate than your second link. Restricting Gen Y to about 1978-1990.
I think Gen Y and Gen 'Z' as they are called have similarities, but there are a few key differences. We're both tech-savvy, but how we use that technology is different. For instance.
Social Networking
Gen Y
It's hit or miss, but in general pre-90's children just don't 'get' it, except for maybe Facebook, and we're rapidly dropping that as we realize how it can hurt our careers. We're also from the era of 'Stranger Danger', and we're a lot more suspicious of the internet. If we were bullied, we could come home from school to escape it.
Gen Z
Social Network is part of their lives, as is oversharing. They don't realize the consequences of the internet as a whole, having always had it as part of their life. They probably don't remember the sound of a dial-up modem, either. They more easily integrate the various aspects of social networking into their lives, and are both benefited and hurt by it. Bullies followed them home on the internet.
This list could go on for perspective on Government (we grew up with Clinton being very popular amongst kids, they grew up with Bush being unpopular among most people. We had a say in Bush term 2, they didn't. The Cold War was a childhood nightmare for us, and Russians are natural villains. They grew up with Middle East Conflicts and Terrorists being natural villains. Things like that which ultimately affect world view. It's amazing bringing my buddy's 23-year-old Girlfriend into our group of late 20's, early 30's people, because her world view is just so different. More importantly, Gen Y is much, much less likely to have been coddled by parents, although we did grow up in the 'You are special' era, however not to the extent that later generations did.
POLSKA! I'm a quarter Polish, althought it's funny because I grew up with much more Polish influences than Italian, even though I got the Italian last name (my grandfather was Italian, Grandma was Polish/Irish but all Polish culturally). My dad even went to a Polish Catholic school and speaks fluent Polish.
I can curse and recognize some words.
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I think I'm a fair example myself. I was born in '81, right in the "contested zone" between GenX and the Millennials. My parents were Boomers, so that should place me squarely in the GenX camp, but my ideals and ethics are vastly more similar to the mid- or later-Millenials. Most of the other people that I know in the early Millenial age group (born up to about 86-87) exhibit traits that are very GenX, at least where I currently live.
Where I grew up, both Boomer and GenX attitudes and culture didn't make a strong impact, so the boundaries between the two are hard to see. The advent of Millenial culture seems to have been adopted much more readily; I think because the western media saturation reached it's climax later (sometime in the mid to late '80s), and because it was a less drastic shift from the traditional culture in many ways.
This is pretty true. Trying to describe a generation is very difficult and extremely inaccurate.
It's part of what I mean about Gen Y/Gen Z
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Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Even though I identify more with Millenials, most of my friends are older than myself and would be considered Gen X. I'd have to say I'm probably on the cusp of both.
I 100% agree. It's hard to identify with kids who grew up with internet and cellphones being taken for granted. I didn't even have the internet until I was 16 and we had dial-up until senior year of high school. And we had a family cellphone that I shared with my parents when I was 19. My first videogame system was an Atari I played on a 13-inch black and white tv. My formative years were nothing like those of your typical Gen Y'er.
I'm too young to be Gen X, but I identify with them more than the generation I supposedly should identify with. I think as technology has evolved at exponential speeds, the lengths of our generations are shortening. I think being born between 78 and 88 or so led to a very different upbringing and subsequent worldview than being born after that.
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