This article states that, based on a recent survey conducted by the UN in 6 Asian Countries (Bangladesh, China, Cambodia, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and Sri Lanka), 1 in 10 men admitted to forcibly raping a woman they were not in a relationship with.
Many cite sexual entitlement, punishment or entertainment as reasons.
Yeah. I saw the same thing on BBC and CNN. However, the survey has problems, and it's not really all that surprising if you have any knowledge of the society of these countries.
Rape is pretty bad, but what was the point of your posting this if I may ask? At home, a load of people report being raped and a load of people don't report being raped too.
I'm not too surprised considering how many of them treat women, even their own wives. I remember this little bit about a growing modern japanese holiday on January 31. (Valentine's day is a day for women to give gifts to men in Japan)
The Japan Aisaika Organization encourages husbands to follow five golden rules on Beloved Wives Day, including getting home early - which in Japan means by 8 p.m. - calling wives by their name rather than the traditional “Mother,” and looking them in the eyes.
I'm not too surprised considering how many of them treat women, even their own wives. I remember this little bit about a growing modern japanese holiday on January 31. (Valentine's day is a day for women to give gifts to men in Japan)
As is, without mentioning White Day, to have said that is ignorant and perhaps even racist.
Valentine's Day is a stupid construct, and there is no good reason why Japanese men or Japanese women should observe a date, any day, as Westerners have.
You can't and shouldn't judge other cultures without an understanding and appreciation of the entirety of their culture, and not from your own culture. That's tantamount to imperialism, which is completely against the notion of an increasingly intertwined global community and pluralism.
Also, gift giving is a big stretch from rape.
The only thing that you can really take away from this news story is that cultures are different. Westerners are no more superior or less superior than others if you're wont to think that way.
Well, I wanted to make sure people were aware that 1 in 3 women in the world will be raped, that's basically your mom, your sister or your closest female friend. In my family it's already 2 out 3, so hopefully statistics will spare my daughter.
This a global health epidemic. I understand cultural differences, but human rights violations should never fall under the umbrella of cultural difference. The point of human rights is that all people, regardless of culture, have the same basic human rights.
I posted it because I want to help people understand the severity of rape in our society and hope people think twice before they think of date raping someone, punishing someone with rape, entertaining themselves by raping or feel entitled to rape someone.
Well, I wanted to make sure people were aware that 1 in 3 women in the world will be raped, that's basically your mom, your sister or your closest female friend. In my family it's already 2 out 3, so hopefully statistics will spare my daughter.
This a global health epidemic. I understand cultural differences, but human rights violations should never fall under the umbrella of cultural difference. The point of human rights is that all people, regardless of culture, have the same basic human rights.
I posted it because I want to help people understand the severity of rape in our society and hope people think twice before they think of date raping someone, punishing someone with rape, entertaining themselves by raping or feel entitled to rape someone.
Your goal is indeed noble, and I agree with your view that rape is a epidemic.
I do suggest you review how you titled the thread and how your introduced this information. It reads as if you are focusing on Asiatic geography. Perhaps if you started the thread with the post above and then used the link as an example it would be more clear.
Well, I wanted to make sure people were aware that 1 in 3 women in the world will be raped, that's basically your mom, your sister or your closest female friend. In my family it's already 2 out 3, so hopefully statistics will spare my daughter.
As you are no doubt aware, that is not how statistics work.
Indeed, one of me or the two adjacent people next to me during first year orientation at law school was supposed to fail out. And yet all three of us managed to graduate and stay friends!.
As you are no doubt aware, that is not how statistics work.
Indeed, one of me or the two adjacent people next to me during first year orientation at law school was supposed to fail out. And yet all three of us managed to graduate and stay friends!.
Statistics do not lie, people using them do.
Not to treat this issue with any less gravitas, but haha.
I read the WHO report too, but I disagree with their dubbing very high rates of rape as a 'global health epidemic'.
Rape, particularly against women and children, so it seems, isn't, or shouldn't be, a matter of gender politics or identity politics, being tough on the act, or public health. Although I am very familiar with the various common and potential consequences of rape, I have a very narrow reading of what constitutes a 'health epidemic'.
Instead, rape is, or should be, a matter of cultural discourse and righting wrongs in how we - women included; and that isn't to actually suggest that some of us 'ask' for it - all think. Moreover, the issue isn't simply rape itself, as it's arguably broader than that.
I understand cultural differences, but human rights violations should never fall under the umbrella of cultural difference. The point of human rights is that all people, regardless of culture, have the same basic human rights.
I find that there are holes in your reasoning and it appears that you have conflated what I have said with what you are suggesting.
Actually, never mind. I deleted my submission that it isn't, in fact, a human right. Certainly, as far as the terms of international treaties go, rape can be and constitute degrading, inhumane treatment. Similarly, death by murder is a violation of a human right.
However, I don't think we should be so haphazardly tossing around the term, even in light of how dire and offensive a thing rape may be.
I posted it because I want to help people understand the severity of rape in our society and hope people think twice before they think of date raping someone, punishing someone with rape, entertaining themselves by raping or feel entitled to rape someone.
Jolly good!
Perhaps I have too much, um, faith in the community, but I don't think MTGS users would rape anyone.
Remember this is not debate. We're having a discussion, not an argument.
Public Health includes behavioral issues, which includes cultural considerations as to why health outcomes are the way they are. Rape has severe health consequences, and in many cases tackling the problem will require similar steps to combating vaccination fears, or in the case of the AIDS epidemic, changing behavior.
Let's be very clear that this isn't an 'asian' thing. Similar, or worse, statistics can be found in many communities in the United States.
As is, without mentioning White Day, to have said that is ignorant and perhaps even racist.
Valentine's Day is a stupid construct, and there is no good reason why Japanese men or Japanese women should observe a date, any day, as Westerners have.
You can't and shouldn't judge other cultures without an understanding and appreciation of the entirety of their culture, and not from your own culture. That's tantamount to imperialism, which is completely against the notion of an increasingly intertwined global community and pluralism.
Also, gift giving is a big stretch from rape.
The only thing that you can really take away from this news story is that cultures are different. Westerners are no more superior or less superior than others if you're wont to think that way.
This coming from a Nation that deports people for having too much belly fat..
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As is, without mentioning White Day, to have said that is ignorant and perhaps even racist.
Valentine's Day is a stupid construct, and there is no good reason why Japanese men or Japanese women should observe a date, any day, as Westerners have.
You can't and shouldn't judge other cultures without an understanding and appreciation of the entirety of their culture, and not from your own culture. That's tantamount to imperialism, which is completely against the notion of an increasingly intertwined global community and pluralism.
Also, gift giving is a big stretch from rape.
The only thing that you can really take away from this news story is that cultures are different. Westerners are no more superior or less superior than others if you're wont to think that way.
you're preaching cultural relativism, which is a super slippery slope to defend.
continue down this road and you'll end up refuting yourself and setting all sorts of double standards that you won't be able to explain better than "BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!1!one" and "you're just ignorant and intolerant of other cultures, you're racist! you're racist! i'm not arguing with a racist, you racist!"
i'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt, but i can't because cultural relativism is actually that ridiculous a concept to argue in favor for.
Actually, never mind. I deleted my submission that it isn't, in fact, a human right. Certainly, as far as the terms of international treaties go, rape can be and constitute degrading, inhumane treatment. Similarly, death by murder is a violation of a human right.
However, I don't think we should be so haphazardly tossing around the term, even in light of how dire and offensive a thing rape may be.
Jolly good!
Perhaps I have too much, um, faith in the community, but I don't think MTGS users would rape anyone.
i gotta say, i don't understand ... the entirety of this post. if the term is descriptive in this sense, we can 'throw it around' accurately all we want, right? right?
also, faith in the community is a fine and even good thing, but i think it's a bit naive even, to say that nobody in this community would do that. statistics say the odds are high that they would.
i do agree that saying it's a public health issue kind of mislabels the problem - it's a culture issue more than anything, and our culture is changing, in some ways greatly and in some ways regressing, like always. so it isn't, i guess, public health in the sense that you only die from rape if someone kills you while they rape you? but mental health and physical health that isn't death is health too, and rape being an epidemic is a thing, even if it's "always happened before but nobody cared about it", which is kind of the vibe i get from it.
in general i'd guess that the anonymity of the internet and the changing of public opinion irt these issues as it's happened over the last 100 years has caused this sort of swing and maybe even a greater likelihood of this sort of violence being planned, as whereas before it was just done in a sort of vacuum and people could get away with it whenever [maybe? this is not a debate post, i am hypothesizing] it is now being done with the implicit support of tons of fellow internet trolls and horrible people trying to use the more trigger-prone/angry among humanity, and it requires that sort of planning.
this appears to be part of growing up societally in any culture. we find things that are going wrong, then we somehow do them worse/make them worse [or at least the problem seems to become way more widespread as it spreads within the news], and then we somehow use them properly. but it takes a while. need to find that magical culture midpoint. i just hope it happens soon.
and, pstmdrn, i hope your daughter is safe no matter where she goes, and that never happens to them. everything will get better, over time, for this.
i think.
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This article states that, based on a recent survey conducted by the UN in 6 Asian Countries (Bangladesh, China, Cambodia, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and Sri Lanka), 1 in 10 men admitted to forcibly raping a woman they were not in a relationship with.
Many cite sexual entitlement, punishment or entertainment as reasons.
[Clan Flamingo]
Rape is pretty bad, but what was the point of your posting this if I may ask? At home, a load of people report being raped and a load of people don't report being raped too.
Sorry if I can't get too stirred up by this.
As is, without mentioning White Day, to have said that is ignorant and perhaps even racist.
Valentine's Day is a stupid construct, and there is no good reason why Japanese men or Japanese women should observe a date, any day, as Westerners have.
You can't and shouldn't judge other cultures without an understanding and appreciation of the entirety of their culture, and not from your own culture. That's tantamount to imperialism, which is completely against the notion of an increasingly intertwined global community and pluralism.
Also, gift giving is a big stretch from rape.
The only thing that you can really take away from this news story is that cultures are different. Westerners are no more superior or less superior than others if you're wont to think that way.
This a global health epidemic. I understand cultural differences, but human rights violations should never fall under the umbrella of cultural difference. The point of human rights is that all people, regardless of culture, have the same basic human rights.
I posted it because I want to help people understand the severity of rape in our society and hope people think twice before they think of date raping someone, punishing someone with rape, entertaining themselves by raping or feel entitled to rape someone.
[Clan Flamingo]
Your goal is indeed noble, and I agree with your view that rape is a epidemic.
I do suggest you review how you titled the thread and how your introduced this information. It reads as if you are focusing on Asiatic geography. Perhaps if you started the thread with the post above and then used the link as an example it would be more clear.
I'll re-work it.
[Clan Flamingo]
As you are no doubt aware, that is not how statistics work.
Indeed, one of me or the two adjacent people next to me during first year orientation at law school was supposed to fail out. And yet all three of us managed to graduate and stay friends!.
Statistics do not lie, people using them do.
Not to treat this issue with any less gravitas, but haha.
I read the WHO report too, but I disagree with their dubbing very high rates of rape as a 'global health epidemic'.
Rape, particularly against women and children, so it seems, isn't, or shouldn't be, a matter of gender politics or identity politics, being tough on the act, or public health. Although I am very familiar with the various common and potential consequences of rape, I have a very narrow reading of what constitutes a 'health epidemic'.
Instead, rape is, or should be, a matter of cultural discourse and righting wrongs in how we - women included; and that isn't to actually suggest that some of us 'ask' for it - all think. Moreover, the issue isn't simply rape itself, as it's arguably broader than that.
I find that there are holes in your reasoning and it appears that you have conflated what I have said with what you are suggesting.Actually, never mind. I deleted my submission that it isn't, in fact, a human right. Certainly, as far as the terms of international treaties go, rape can be and constitute degrading, inhumane treatment. Similarly, death by murder is a violation of a human right.
However, I don't think we should be so haphazardly tossing around the term, even in light of how dire and offensive a thing rape may be.
Jolly good!
Perhaps I have too much, um, faith in the community, but I don't think MTGS users would rape anyone.
Public Health includes behavioral issues, which includes cultural considerations as to why health outcomes are the way they are. Rape has severe health consequences, and in many cases tackling the problem will require similar steps to combating vaccination fears, or in the case of the AIDS epidemic, changing behavior.
Let's be very clear that this isn't an 'asian' thing. Similar, or worse, statistics can be found in many communities in the United States.
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It is pretty disturbing how widespread an issue this is. People in general are pretty messed up.
This coming from a Nation that deports people for having too much belly fat..
Infraction for flaming/trolling issued. Besides which, this isn't even remotely relevant. - Jay13x
you're preaching cultural relativism, which is a super slippery slope to defend.
continue down this road and you'll end up refuting yourself and setting all sorts of double standards that you won't be able to explain better than "BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!1!one" and "you're just ignorant and intolerant of other cultures, you're racist! you're racist! i'm not arguing with a racist, you racist!"
i'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt, but i can't because cultural relativism is actually that ridiculous a concept to argue in favor for.
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i gotta say, i don't understand ... the entirety of this post. if the term is descriptive in this sense, we can 'throw it around' accurately all we want, right? right?
also, faith in the community is a fine and even good thing, but i think it's a bit naive even, to say that nobody in this community would do that. statistics say the odds are high that they would.
i do agree that saying it's a public health issue kind of mislabels the problem - it's a culture issue more than anything, and our culture is changing, in some ways greatly and in some ways regressing, like always. so it isn't, i guess, public health in the sense that you only die from rape if someone kills you while they rape you? but mental health and physical health that isn't death is health too, and rape being an epidemic is a thing, even if it's "always happened before but nobody cared about it", which is kind of the vibe i get from it.
there's also this:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindness-weev-and-the-cult-of-the-angry-young-man
in general i'd guess that the anonymity of the internet and the changing of public opinion irt these issues as it's happened over the last 100 years has caused this sort of swing and maybe even a greater likelihood of this sort of violence being planned, as whereas before it was just done in a sort of vacuum and people could get away with it whenever [maybe? this is not a debate post, i am hypothesizing] it is now being done with the implicit support of tons of fellow internet trolls and horrible people trying to use the more trigger-prone/angry among humanity, and it requires that sort of planning.
this appears to be part of growing up societally in any culture. we find things that are going wrong, then we somehow do them worse/make them worse [or at least the problem seems to become way more widespread as it spreads within the news], and then we somehow use them properly. but it takes a while. need to find that magical culture midpoint. i just hope it happens soon.
and, pstmdrn, i hope your daughter is safe no matter where she goes, and that never happens to them. everything will get better, over time, for this.
i think.
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan