I picked 70-80%. I might be selling myself short a little, because I spend most of my time in debate and I'm guessing that the debate crew skews higher on the scale. Perhaps I should have gone 50-60% or so. I'm good with abstract reason, but when it comes to anything spatial or mechanical, I'm just plain lost!
I dunno how intelligent I am. I never cared to know my IQ but I've taken the usual standardized tests. My scores varied significantly though. I got a 35 on the old ACT but a 1250 on the old SAT. A 35 is the equivalent to a nearly perfect new SAT score and I just don't know why I did so much better on it. Stress maybe.
Anyway, I have primarily inattentive ADHD and so intricate details and anything considered "implicit" aren't really my thing. Oddly enough raw facts are easy for me to remember and I don't even have to had read them to recite them verbatim. It comes in handy at work because I work in a school age child care environment and there are literally 50 or so pages of regulations we need at least passing familiarity with, first aid, cpr, and ooddles of other important information.
Now I'm very curious about the mean IQ for MTGS members. Without any basis in fact, I might anticipate 1 SD above the general population (i.e., average is 115, ~15% are above 130 and ~2% are above 145). But I could see a bit of skewness.
I put "top 60%-50%" since I tend to assume without any data at all that "average" is the most likely answer.
In High School I finished in the bottom half of my class but got a 34 on the ACT and 1680 on the SAT. In college I finished in the bottom half as well but still managed to get into a grad school with a 5% acceptance rate. My sister was diagnosed with autistism in 1978 and was in a bunch of tests at Denver University growing up. I had my IQ measured twice a year from age 4 until I was 18. Those tests told me I was smart, but empirical evidence suggests I rigged the tests.
At the end of the day I think most people that voted here are wrong and think highly of themselves.:) If this was an accurate sampling there would be a standard bell curve instead on what's there right now.
What does intelligence even mean, though. To be fair, people in general are like that. It might be a little more skewed on here but if you expected anything resembling a normal bell curve for something like this on any sample, hah.
Although, it is probably worth noting that a non-normal distribution could still be an accurate reflection of the IQ distribution of those who are participating in the poll. The distribution could have a negative skew simply because the more intelligent people on the site are more likely to participate in the poll. I suspect this probably isn't true to any significant extent and instead most people are just overconfident, but it is possible.
I'm not even going to try and guess how my IQ would rank among Salvation users. I'm also not fond of intelligence tests.
I consider myself a little above average as far as intelligence goes, I'm in the honor roll for my high school, and I'm sitting at an 86% average right now.
I'm not good, however at anything to do with numbers. I am terrible at any mathematics and sciences, my strengths lie in the humanities, history and English.
lol 35% in top 2%, I also said top 2%, my IQ is over 140 though.
I remember (I think in the speak easy) some guy saying he was probably in the top 2%. We gave him an (online, shut up :P) IQ test and he scored 120. He was disappointed and said he expected at least a 150.
I laughed and thought of him when I see all the 2%.
34.55% of the voters judging themselves in the 2% smartest people on the forum? Yeah that sounds about right.
It's exactly like an experiment they made at a University I can't remember. Psychological findings usually show the same thing. 40 to 50% (If I remember correctly) of the people consider themselves in the top % of any given group.
Gotta love human psychology.
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34.55% of the voters judging themselves in the 2% smartest people on the forum? Yeah that sounds about right.
It's exactly like an experiment they made at a University I can't remember. Psychological findings usually show the same thing. 40 to 50% (If I remember correctly) of the people consider themselves in the top % of any given group.
Gotta love human psychology.
Yeah, I under estimated it. I thought 2/3rd of people would say they are above average.
we should make a similar poll for maximum benchpress and determine who the true MTG Renaissance Man is
also, I don't really know anyone on this website in real life so it wood be a complete guess but from what I read a lot of people make really long posts and use vocabulary I never heard of like "obstentibly" and "rapacious" so I dont know
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I'm in the top 2%, hell, I'm actually in the top 1%, I'm just that smart. With an estimated IQ of 210, my superior reazoning skills far defy any of the intellectual power that the peons on this site can muster. My supeiror brain is capable of solving any problem or accomplishing anything really, I'm just too lazy to actually do so. I mean I could get a Doctorate in 7 different feilds of study, but it's not worth my time cause I'm too smart for that ****. I also win at chess and MTG all the time, except for when I don't, in which case I call out my opponent for cheating.
I'm in the top 2%, hell, I'm actually in the top 1%, I'm just that smart. With an estimated IQ of 210, my superior reazoning skills far defy any of the intellectual power that the peons on this site can muster. My supeiror brain is capable of solving any problem or accomplishing anything really, I'm just too lazy to actually do so. I mean I could get a Doctorate in 7 different feilds of study, but it's not worth my time cause I'm too smart for that ****. I also win at chess and MTG all the time, except for when I don't, then it I call out my opponent for cheating.
I picked 70-80%. I might be selling myself short a little, because I spend most of my time in debate and I'm guessing that the debate crew skews higher on the scale. Perhaps I should have gone 50-60% or so. I'm good with abstract reason, but when it comes to anything spatial or mechanical, I'm just plain lost!
Don't sell yourself short at all. I've found the smarter someone is the harder it is for them to relate effectively to other people. Raw IQ is relatively meaningless - especially outside of hard sciences. As I said before I've learned that analytical skill that isn't paired with social or leadership ability isn't all that useful.
I'm in the top 2%, hell, I'm actually in the top 1%, I'm just that smart. With an estimated IQ of 210, my superior reazoning skills far defy any of the intellectual power that the peons on this site can muster. My supeiror brain is capable of solving any problem or accomplishing anything really, I'm just too lazy to actually do so. I mean I could get a Doctorate in 7 different feilds of study, but it's not worth my time cause I'm too smart for that ****. I also win at chess and MTG all the time, except for when I don't, in which case I call out my opponent for cheating.
we should make a similar poll for maximum benchpress and determine who the true MTG Renaissance Man is
also, I don't really know anyone on this website in real life so it wood be a complete guess but from what I read a lot of people make really long posts and use vocabulary I never heard of like "obstentibly" and "rapacious" so I dont know
The reason there is no top 1% is because you're a lock sir.
I picked 70-80%. I might be selling myself short a little, because I spend most of my time in debate and I'm guessing that the debate crew skews higher on the scale. Perhaps I should have gone 50-60% or so. I'm good with abstract reason, but when it comes to anything spatial or mechanical, I'm just plain lost!
I'm not so sure about that the debate folks are that much over the MTGS average - perhaps there's more of that style of posturing, but I see them as slightly over the national average as a whole - barring some outliers. Which is the same metric I'd expect of MTGS as a whole.
And in my prime I'm sure I'd have easily been in the 2% - but I know my brain is starting to slip at this point from health and age - picked 2-5% but that might even be generous.
You know it might not be "so" outrageous that so many people consider themselves in the top 2%. Out of 13,000 members in the history of MTGS, how many of those are banned? Inactive? Lurkers? Kids?
To be in the top 2%, you would have to be one of a small group of 260 users on this forum. With only a little over 20 declaring themselves so, that still doesn't account for over 200 people that could be the remaining super geniuses of MTGS.
Right - but it's roughly 1/3 of the votes thusfar - and there's nothing inherent that would create a cream of the crop within WTC over other forum sections.
It's plausible, but doesn't seem practical to expect it.
Right - but it's roughly 1/3 of the votes thusfar - and there's nothing inherent that would create a cream of the crop within WTC over other forum sections.
It's plausible, but doesn't seem practical to expect it.
right but maybe we are statistically because making an account and learning how to post (or vote in a poll) is an intelligence barrier
maybe the reason there are on average 90% more views than posts because those 90% can't figure out the word riddle to create an account (it took me I think 20 tries) which would put us in at least top 10% or 1/10 then we are more likely to be in 2% or 2/100. word riddles are used in alot of "IQ tests" so since we figured out the riddle this poll is very biased
Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)
Make the white queen run so fast, she hasn't got time to make you wise.
Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream.
Doctor, my eyes, tell me what you see. I hear their cries... just say if it's too late for me.
Doctor, my eyes...cannot see the sky. Is this the prize for having learned how not to cry?
I mean, I have a colleague who has found the same effect in Saudi Arabian women when they rate their driving ability compared to the rest of the Saudi population. FYI, Saudi women aren't legally allowed to drive, and most don't. When you can find better than average effects like that, this one isn't really that surprising.
So upon further Googling, the average college student has an IQ of approximately 115 (i.e., one standard deviation above the US mean). This table has IQs by grad school applicants by their intended major.
As most of the MTGS posters seem to be linked to college and MTG seems to attract a more quantitative group, I'd suspect the MTGS board average is likely above 115, but probably not quite so high as 126 (engineering) or 130 (math).
If true, only the 150+ would fit into the top 2%.
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Hehe, this wasn't directed at me but:
Low of 135, high of 156.
Hue!
Anyway, I have primarily inattentive ADHD and so intricate details and anything considered "implicit" aren't really my thing. Oddly enough raw facts are easy for me to remember and I don't even have to had read them to recite them verbatim. It comes in handy at work because I work in a school age child care environment and there are literally 50 or so pages of regulations we need at least passing familiarity with, first aid, cpr, and ooddles of other important information.
In High School I finished in the bottom half of my class but got a 34 on the ACT and 1680 on the SAT. In college I finished in the bottom half as well but still managed to get into a grad school with a 5% acceptance rate. My sister was diagnosed with autistism in 1978 and was in a bunch of tests at Denver University growing up. I had my IQ measured twice a year from age 4 until I was 18. Those tests told me I was smart, but empirical evidence suggests I rigged the tests.
At the end of the day I think most people that voted here are wrong and think highly of themselves.:) If this was an accurate sampling there would be a standard bell curve instead on what's there right now.
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I fight at 205, currently sitting at 230.
This polls reminds me of the results from this classic Kruger and Dunning paper:
http://www.psoriasissociety.ttsg.org/pdfs/Dunning-Kruger%20Effect.pdf
Although, it is probably worth noting that a non-normal distribution could still be an accurate reflection of the IQ distribution of those who are participating in the poll. The distribution could have a negative skew simply because the more intelligent people on the site are more likely to participate in the poll. I suspect this probably isn't true to any significant extent and instead most people are just overconfident, but it is possible.
I'm not even going to try and guess how my IQ would rank among Salvation users. I'm also not fond of intelligence tests.
I'm not good, however at anything to do with numbers. I am terrible at any mathematics and sciences, my strengths lie in the humanities, history and English.
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I remember (I think in the speak easy) some guy saying he was probably in the top 2%. We gave him an (online, shut up :P) IQ test and he scored 120. He was disappointed and said he expected at least a 150.
I laughed and thought of him when I see all the 2%.
It's exactly like an experiment they made at a University I can't remember. Psychological findings usually show the same thing. 40 to 50% (If I remember correctly) of the people consider themselves in the top % of any given group.
Gotta love human psychology.
I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
this makes sense, as those who are less intelligent than others believe they are more so, according to a few studies done on subject.
Yeah, I under estimated it. I thought 2/3rd of people would say they are above average.
also, I don't really know anyone on this website in real life so it wood be a complete guess but from what I read a lot of people make really long posts and use vocabulary I never heard of like "obstentibly" and "rapacious" so I dont know
Make the white queen run so fast, she hasn't got time to make you wise.
Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream.
Doctor, my eyes, tell me what you see. I hear their cries... just say if it's too late for me.
Doctor, my eyes...cannot see the sky. Is this the prize for having learned how not to cry?
Albert Einstein ain't got **** on me.
Holy ****, guys, I think he's legit.
Don't sell yourself short at all. I've found the smarter someone is the harder it is for them to relate effectively to other people. Raw IQ is relatively meaningless - especially outside of hard sciences. As I said before I've learned that analytical skill that isn't paired with social or leadership ability isn't all that useful.
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The reason there is no top 1% is because you're a lock sir.
I'm not so sure about that the debate folks are that much over the MTGS average - perhaps there's more of that style of posturing, but I see them as slightly over the national average as a whole - barring some outliers. Which is the same metric I'd expect of MTGS as a whole.
And in my prime I'm sure I'd have easily been in the 2% - but I know my brain is starting to slip at this point from health and age - picked 2-5% but that might even be generous.
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To be in the top 2%, you would have to be one of a small group of 260 users on this forum. With only a little over 20 declaring themselves so, that still doesn't account for over 200 people that could be the remaining super geniuses of MTGS.
It's plausible, but doesn't seem practical to expect it.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
right but maybe we are statistically because making an account and learning how to post (or vote in a poll) is an intelligence barrier
maybe the reason there are on average 90% more views than posts because those 90% can't figure out the word riddle to create an account (it took me I think 20 tries) which would put us in at least top 10% or 1/10 then we are more likely to be in 2% or 2/100. word riddles are used in alot of "IQ tests" so since we figured out the riddle this poll is very biased
Make the white queen run so fast, she hasn't got time to make you wise.
Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream.
Doctor, my eyes, tell me what you see. I hear their cries... just say if it's too late for me.
Doctor, my eyes...cannot see the sky. Is this the prize for having learned how not to cry?
I mean, I have a colleague who has found the same effect in Saudi Arabian women when they rate their driving ability compared to the rest of the Saudi population. FYI, Saudi women aren't legally allowed to drive, and most don't. When you can find better than average effects like that, this one isn't really that surprising.
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As most of the MTGS posters seem to be linked to college and MTG seems to attract a more quantitative group, I'd suspect the MTGS board average is likely above 115, but probably not quite so high as 126 (engineering) or 130 (math).
If true, only the 150+ would fit into the top 2%.