the thing about it is the man in question has no business knowing where he lives. I had this happen to me. I was in a bad mood and i was staying with my aunt and uncle for a bit.
I was just walking around their neighborhood and some guy asked me what i was doing (it wasn't gated). he asked me what i was doing i said walking. he goes where do you live i said none of your business.
he wasn't a cop or anything else and none of his business. he said why i said because this is america and i can go for a walk if i want to.
now the difference.
i just left work and i was tired and i was walking near the mall in the parking lot. a cop saw me and asked me what i was doing. I said i am just walking and talking on my phone ma'am. she said well it isn't safe here at this time can you move. yes ma'am no problem. think it was the same day i went for that other walk.
difference is one person had the right to know the other person didn't.
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On the topic of causing a potential heart attack of the man:
Is it not also possible that these health issues could arise from any person of any age? It seems like a moot point and would not be a consideration of any but the goodliest of the goodliest people. I, for one, would never have considered such an outcome nor would it seem logical for me to even have such a thought in my head.
Now, I agree that taking the old man for a walk around several buildings might have been overkill but it's hard to say that the guy didn't have something like that coming from being such a jerk. I say if he over exerted himself and died then, well, that's how it goes, maybe he should have eaten a little less bacon and lard.
Regardless, the old man is lucky he didn't mess with the wrong guy who takes him for a walk to a different building all together, gets to the roof and finds himself curb-stomped next to an air conditioner, robbed and stabbed because he cared a little too much about his yard-work.
On the topic of causing a potential heart attack of the man:
Is it not also possible that these health issues could arise from any person of any age? It seems like a moot point and would not be a consideration of any but the goodliest of the goodliest people. I, for one, would never have considered such an outcome nor would it seem logical for me to even have such a thought in my head.
Now, I agree that taking the old man for a walk around several buildings might have been overkill but it's hard to say that the guy didn't have something like that coming from being such a jerk. I say if he over exerted himself and died then, well, that's how it goes, maybe he should have eaten a little less bacon and lard.
Regardless, the old man is lucky he didn't mess with the wrong guy who takes him for a walk to a different building all together, gets to the roof and finds himself curb-stomped next to an air conditioner, robbed and stabbed because he cared a little too much about his yard-work.
Indeed. If anything, his age makes this type of behavior LESS excusable. I could see a kid/teenager pulling this type of stupid crap, but if you have been on this earth for 20+ years you should know better, and realize that this sort of thing can easily get you shot if you are messing with the wrong person.
More than one wrong does not make any number of rights; and, more than one can be wrong (hurrah? more than one can revel in the wrongness). Is this really that hard to comprehend? Must this be X v. Y, with one being wrong and the other being wrong?
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Respect is a two way street and is not in my opinion an entitlement. Granted we've only heard one side of the story, the OP's, but if I was approached in the same manner as the OP was by the old man, I would not have shown the old man any respect because he showed me none ininitially. I would not have done what the OP did not out of a sense of empathy for the old man but b/c I value my time too much to waste on a goose chase.
I agree two wrongs doesn't make a right but the man had no right to ask the OP his name, follow him home or even infringe upon his time, therefore the OP did nothing wrong by not going immediately home, even if he did so with the full knowledge he was leading the old man on. The old man chose to follow him on his own volition, not only doing so but doing so with no right. If the man was that offended the OP walked on a roped off piece of land, the old man could/should have contacted the police to let them handle it. He had no authority to act as an enforcer of rules/laws.
As an aside a somewhat similar thing happend to me almost 19 years ago and I still remember it. I was 17 and had just moved to a new state. I was looking for the place to get a new driver's license when I passed by the building, uncertain where it was. I pulled into to the first available driveway to double back and immediately someone pulled in behind me. All I did was turn around in the parking lot, must have taken all of 10 seconds and the person who pulled in behind me drove straight at me and blocked me from getting out of the lot. Turns out I was in an Elks Club parking lot, and the old man in front of me rolled down the window and asked what I was doing there. My business is my own and no concern of his. Again, it takes 10 seconds to do a u-turn in an empty parking lot. Well there was no doubt I was being targeted b/c I was a teenager but he had no right to interfere with me or take any of my time, even if it was just a few seconds. I backed up so I could drive around him, told him to go F himself, and went about the rest of my day. Had he not been a jerk to me he would have gotten a different response, but because he couldn't do it in a non-confrontational way, he was not deserving of my time or courtesy or an explanation for that matter.
And BTW, just to give an example of the type of person I am, I've volunteered at an animal shelter, cleaned up part of a highway as part of an adopt-a-road campaign, built a Habitat for Humanity home, and raised over 5 tons of food for a local food shelter (the latter three done when I WAS a teenager), so I'm NOT an anti-authority type of person who makes a habit of being disrespectful. I'll put my morals/ethics/civic-mindedness against anyone's.
I am interested in hearing out why you didn't do other things. Please, do apprise me or us via this thread or, if it makes you more comfortable (or is off-topic to this thread, considering the apparent shift towards matters of gated communities and, to some extent, armchair lawyering and such), personal message.
Why I didn't do other things?
I suppose I could have called the police and wasted their time with this, I'm sure they had better things to do than to deal with a guy who walked over a roped of area and some old man who got pissed off about it.
I offered to go with him to the managers office, but she wasn't there - which I stated already, so I didn't do that.
I could have told him my name and address, but why the hell would I give it to some random old guy, who I know nothing about, who has no right to know these things in the first place, who is yelling and cussing at me?
So the idea to walk around until he got tired of following made it's way in my head and I just went with that. That's it.
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This might interest you but I think it's profoundly unfair that you should shift blame onto him for his tobacco habit - and, in my personal and professional life, while I appreciate all sides of things and the facts, I should be somewhat more understanding of smokers in real life (not that patients are in real life) and patients - or other things such as things he did and the fact that he didn't do other things.
I'm not shifting blame to him because he smokes. I don't have to shift any blame at all.
I didn't make him follow me, that was his decision, there is no one to blame for that, but him.
It's like blaming McDonald's for making people fat. McDonald's doesn't make people choose to eat at their restaurants nor does McDonald's tell people what to eat. The individual chooses to eat there and chooses what to eat.
About the only thing I can be blamed for is walking in the roped of area, which I admit to. Everything else that transpired isn't my fault.
Sure the action I took made him angry, but it wasn't my intention to make him angry. He got mad on his own and let his emotions dictate his actions.
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In the future, should such an occasion arise again, what will your course of action be? What have learnt from this? I'm genuinely interested.
I'm not sure, I could guess - but unless it happens again, I dunno what I'll do. If I had to do this over again, I'd probably do the same thing.
In any case I'll probably go and try and bury the hatchet with the guy tomorrow. So I'll update and let you all know how that turns out.
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PS. That the man was in his mid-/late-50s does not exculpate you from whatever. At my work, I see the living - similarly aged - with severe cardiac conditions at the hospital and clinic and I also see the dead - similarly aged, again - dying from cardiac conditions, with the cause triggered by things such as this. I'd be a bit more considerate in the future; but, I am me and you are you, I guess.
I'm not sure why you think I'm culpable in the first place.
I would have called 911. On you. You're someone who obviously doesn't know the access code to the gate, attempting to enter by tailgaiting.
Imagine going to your house, then some guy follows you in as you unlock the door.
As someone who spent 8 months in a gated community, I cannot stress enough how immature and asinine that is. If you're going to act like a five year old, please do it in a way as to NOT waste the police's and everyone elses time. Seriously.
As someone who spent 8 months in a gated community, I cannot stress enough how immature and asinine that is. If you're going to act like a five year old, please do it in a way as to NOT waste the police's and everyone elses time. Seriously.
Yes, yes, we all know calling the police would have been a waste of your time. After all, if you were the guy being tailgated, I'm fairly sure you would have said something along the lines of "I jumped of my car, beat the tailgater thanks to my [insert number of years] [insert martial art], had a good night."
Yes, yes, we all know calling the police would have been a waste of your time. After all, if you were the guy being tailgated, I'm fairly sure you would have said something along the lines of "I jumped of my car, beat the tailgater thanks to my [insert number of years] [insert martial art], had a good night."
Sorry, I'm not an ITG.
If someone is tailgating me to get into my gated community, it means they
A. Probably forgot the code/didn't have the remote on them.
B. Were visiting someone in the gated community.
edit- yes, it has happened before. I also had to tailgate to get into my own community once or twice for the first month.
@ the OP - Good job. He had no right to approach you like that. Despite what others think, I believe you did a good job at keeping your cool. I am much more volatile and I applaud your ability to simply brush him off in a way that was able to give me an entertaining story to read. Bravo.
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So I said, "You know come to think of it, I don't think this is even my building. Huh, I don't remember which building I live in, guess we better check all of them huh?"
First of all, thank you. This is some of the funniest **** I've read in a long time.
Secondly, ignore your naysayers here. They, like the old man, need to lighten up a bit. You hopped a *****ing rope. To demand your name is simply absurd. He was never in any danger and stopped following you when he'd had enough.
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I wish I was in shape enough to do epic troll things like this.
You didn't do anything wrong.
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Funny way to work yourself out of a needlessly hostile situation. I think you were more than fair to him by actually walking with him to the managers office. Everything that happened afterwards just seems to be poetic justice. I can't say I never get upset about something silly but all the people attacking you/defending the old man for his irrational actions and mannerisms just seems pointless.
I mean, we are after all talking about an old man that got so upset about someone walking over a fenced off area that he decided to curse at him, drag him to the managers office, then follow him around for 15 minutes all without any real cause.
To be honest if I met someone who took that attitude with me even after I had dutifully followed him to the managers office to resolve the issue I would have most likely lodged a complaint. I mean from what it sounds like (and I could be wrong) you are a paying tenant at that complex and he is an employee of said complex? I know I would react pretty poorly if the staff member of my complex did something similar over something so silly.
Edit: If he is not an employee of the complex then it still doesn't make it all right for him to take such an attitude with a complete stranger or take it upon himself to follow you around to report your information to the management.
Why's that? It's not like I was angry with him and he had a couple of days to cool down, I don't think it was too surprising.
I don't think he really expected me to walk up out of the blue and apologize either, but yeah.
I basically just said "Hey, you know I want to apologize to you. I know you guys work hard here and for me to disrespect that and walk over an area I know you worked hard on, that was wrong of me, so I sincerely apologize for that. I just didn't really think about it."
Then we talked a bit more, he was like "Yeah we've been having problems with people walking through those areas and so I appreciate the apology, it's all good man".
Yes, yes, we all know calling the police would have been a waste of your time. After all, if you were the guy being tailgated, I'm fairly sure you would have said something along the lines of "I jumped of my car, beat the tailgater thanks to my [insert number of years] [insert martial art], had a good night."
Sorry, I'm not an ITG.
Says the guy that attacks somebody he doesn't know over the internet for stating his opinion on a scenario that doesn't affect anyone's lives in any meaningful way. If somebody came up to you with a knife in a confrontational manner, what would you do? Sit there apologizing to him while he stabs you over and over? I guess that's Darwinism at it's finest.
@OP: Funny stuff. He has no right to follow you around, and anything that may have happened to him (heart attack, fell down the stairs, got struck by lightning) would not be your fault, at all. It was his decision to follow you around for no reason, and you are completely within your right to walk around aimlessly, or is that against the law now? You were not doing anything to the "poor old man" (who seems like he was abrasive and rude), he was the one doing something rude and unpleasant unto you.
@Gated Communites and tailgating in: If you have ever lived in a gated community you know that every day there are many, many people tailgating in. Contractors, friends visiting, solicitors,delivery guys, you name it. I have tailgated into my own gated community many times. It is very commonplace.
Sig worthy stuff here in this thread! A creative solution to a simple problem.
Most people here find themselves trying to be noble or do the right thing. Why cause a bigger hassle? The old man made his choices same as OP. His ended with him wheezing and pissed and probably in his lazyboy for a good long nap. No harm done.
As far as fated commnities go, tailgating = wrong. Perhaps asking someone who is about to enter if they know the people at (address) before they open the gate could start a dialogue that could end with the right people letting you in. Never underestimate the power of a good conversation unless the person you are dealing with is foaming like a raving lunatic.
Says the guy that 1) attacks somebody he doesn't know over the internet for 2) stating his opinion on a scenario that doesn't affect anyone's lives in any meaningful way.
1) When did I do this? When I said I'd call 911?
2) That's what I also did.
And yet, here we are. Who's attacking who again? As I've pointed out, I'm not the one frothing in the mouth here. I said I would have called 911 on someone who did (which, according you, counts as "attacking somebody"), pointed out that RivalTuna HAS DONE MUCH WORSE to unknown people inside his community (rather than calling the police, he [claimed to] beat them up), and yet, here you are.
If somebody came up to you with a knife in a confrontational manner, what would you do? Sit there apologizing to him while he stabs you over and over?
Run away screaming like a girl and, as I've said, called the police. Probably make enough a racket to convince everyone in the vacinity to call the police because a pig is being gutted or something.
I supposed you, like RivalTuna, would have disarmed him and have him in a headlock, maybe even killed him because no jury on earth would have convicted you, but I'm haven't practiced kravmaga/MMA/whatever for the last decade so I can't do something like that.
@Gated Communites and tailgating in: If you have ever lived in a gated community you know that every day there are many, many people tailgating in. Contractors, friends visiting, solicitors,delivery guys, you name it. I have tailgated into my own gated community many times. It is very commonplace.
I've already addressed this. If you're the type who let people in a gated community without who they are because, as one posted put, "you don't give a ****", then there's nothing more to be said.
Why is it that nearly everyone who would have "let a tailgater in" so belligerent rather than discussing something calmly? Seriously, look at their posts. All of them seem to suffer from roid rage or testosterone overdose.
Uh, in this thread - in the quote he quoted you on. You mocked Rivaltuna for expressing his opinion on tailgating in gated communities, which I'm guessing you did because you wanted to discredit him.
Uh, in this thread - in the quote he quoted you on. You mocked Rivaltuna for expressing his opinion on tailgating in gated communities
You mean right after being called asinine and acting like a 5 year old?
which I'm guessing you did because you wanted to discredit him.
Yes, I did, because I found it funny that the person telling me that I'm acting like a 5 year old for calling the police over someone I won't let into a gated communty is perfectly fine beating the crap out of them instead.
Why is it that nearly everyone who would have "let a tailgater in" so belligerent rather than discussing something calmly? Seriously, look at their posts. All of them seem to suffer from roid rage or testosterone overdose.
Can't tell if 9,000 post troll or thinks this is debate forums so logical fallacies are a go.
That is straw man, no one is arguing like that, you are twisting words. I quote this post not to talk to you but to point that out to anyone reading this thread.
There will always be critics, back seat drivers, and arm chair quarter backs. What you did was funny and clever. I bet that man had a laugh about it when he had a moment to relax. Of course he would never admit that to you or anyone.
I had a guy road rage on me a few days ago. This guy was in his 50s. He actually grabbed the driver side window of my car and started to shake it. I opened my door and stood between my car and him. I pointed at his car and said "Get back in your car" He started flapping his arms and yelling. I ask him to get back into his car again. He doesn't, actually chest bumps me. I step forward, he steps back a couple steps. I say to you him "You're a fool." He says "You're damn right!" At this time the traffic light had turned, there were cars lined up behind us. At first I don't see a license plate on his car, then I notice he has one of those dealer plates that hang out of the truck but its lying flat face up on his bumper. I take out my phone, I take a picture of his license plate, but since its one of those dealer plates, I have little faith it will found belonging to him. Then I take a picture of him. I dial 911, I get back into my car and wind the window up. He's staring at me just outside my driver's side door. I'm not afraid, just calm and assertive. I show him 911 on the screen of my phone while its dialing. A voice comes onto the line. I tell the operator that there is a man outside my window who is road raging and pushed me. That he's refusing to move his car and theres a line of traffic behind. After a good minute he gets back into his car and starts to move it. I tell police whats going on. He drives away. The police ask me to come in to file a report.
This guy was a nut or having a really bad day and ultimately my point is that no one got hurt and everyone got to go home. Thats the same resolve as the OP's story. You kept your witts up, stayed ahead by a move. That guy didn't follow you because you stepped over the tape. He followed you because he was either a nut or a guy having a bad day. He chose to keep following you for so long because of the kind of person he is. He's stubborn and didn't want to quit. I can also guarantee you that this is not the first time he's used the "I'm going to follow you home" gimmick.
1) When did I do this? When I said I'd call 911?
2) That's what I also did.
1) You are clearly mocking him for defending himself in a serious incident that could have ended in severe injury.
2) Stating your opinion is one thing, making fun of somebody else over the internet, insinuating that they would beat people up unprovoked for no real reason is just rude and frankly, not nice.
And yet, here we are. Who's attacking who again? As I've pointed out, I'm not the one frothing in the mouth here. I said I would have called 911 on someone who did (which, according you, counts as "attacking somebody"), pointed out that RivalTuna HAS DONE MUCH WORSE to unknown people inside his community (rather than calling the police, he [claimed to] beat them up), and yet, here you are.
There's a difference between saying: "I would have just called the police, and that's what you should have done." and "You think you are above the law, you would just beat them up for no reason. Now I'm going to mock you for a different thread you made.". If you read the thread, he was confronted with a guy who had a knife, calling the police doesn't help when it takes them 5 minutes to arrive and you are in a bad situation RIGHT NOW. You think somebody that wants to hurt you will just say: "Oh you called the cops? I'll wait to stab you until they get here." He didn't even claim to beat them up, he got rid of the threat then ran away. Get your facts straight.
Run away screaming like a girl and, as I've said, called the police. Probably make enough a racket to convince everyone in the vacinity to call the police because a pig is being gutted or something.
I supposed you, like RivalTuna, would have disarmed him and have him in a headlock, maybe even killed him because no jury on earth would have convicted you, but I'm haven't practiced kravmaga/MMA/whatever for the last decade so I can't do something like that.
And if he runs after you and stabs you? Both courses of action can get you killed or save your life, it's fight or flight. You have a small window to choose what to do. I don't know what I'd do in that situation because I have never encountered anything like that, but insinuating that I, or RivalTuna would have killed him for the sole reason that "no jury would convict us" is just mean and uncalled for.
I've already addressed this. If you're the type who let people in a gated community without who they are because, as one posted put, "you don't give a ****", then there's nothing more to be said.
I was just pointing out that in many gated communities it is commonplace. Where did you get that I "don't give a ***?". I never said that, or anything like that. I said that it happens all the time and I don't think it's an issue. If people want to get in, they will find a way in. You're putting me into this group of bad people who would let people into a gated community. I'm not a bad person because I would let people in. I have faith in people and believe that people that would be tailgating in have a good reason to do so. Just because I am not paranoid doesn't mean I am a substandard human being that deserves to be placed into this stereotype.
Why is it that nearly everyone who would have "let a tailgater in" so belligerent rather than discussing something calmly? Seriously, look at their posts. All of them seem to suffer from roid rage or testosterone overdose.
Again with this whole thing of putting people that don't agree with you below you, and then assuming you know things about them that don't make any sense. Saying that "we" are doing steroids is again, just rude and mean.
The point I'm making is that you come across as a mean person. Please consider what you say before you say it.
the thing about it is the man in question has no business knowing where he lives. I had this happen to me. I was in a bad mood and i was staying with my aunt and uncle for a bit.
I was just walking around their neighborhood and some guy asked me what i was doing (it wasn't gated). he asked me what i was doing i said walking. he goes where do you live i said none of your business.
he wasn't a cop or anything else and none of his business. he said why i said because this is america and i can go for a walk if i want to.
now the difference.
i just left work and i was tired and i was walking near the mall in the parking lot. a cop saw me and asked me what i was doing. I said i am just walking and talking on my phone ma'am. she said well it isn't safe here at this time can you move. yes ma'am no problem. think it was the same day i went for that other walk.
difference is one person had the right to know the other person didn't.
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Is it not also possible that these health issues could arise from any person of any age? It seems like a moot point and would not be a consideration of any but the goodliest of the goodliest people. I, for one, would never have considered such an outcome nor would it seem logical for me to even have such a thought in my head.
Now, I agree that taking the old man for a walk around several buildings might have been overkill but it's hard to say that the guy didn't have something like that coming from being such a jerk. I say if he over exerted himself and died then, well, that's how it goes, maybe he should have eaten a little less bacon and lard.
Regardless, the old man is lucky he didn't mess with the wrong guy who takes him for a walk to a different building all together, gets to the roof and finds himself curb-stomped next to an air conditioner, robbed and stabbed because he cared a little too much about his yard-work.
Indeed. If anything, his age makes this type of behavior LESS excusable. I could see a kid/teenager pulling this type of stupid crap, but if you have been on this earth for 20+ years you should know better, and realize that this sort of thing can easily get you shot if you are messing with the wrong person.
Respect is a two way street and is not in my opinion an entitlement. Granted we've only heard one side of the story, the OP's, but if I was approached in the same manner as the OP was by the old man, I would not have shown the old man any respect because he showed me none ininitially. I would not have done what the OP did not out of a sense of empathy for the old man but b/c I value my time too much to waste on a goose chase.
I agree two wrongs doesn't make a right but the man had no right to ask the OP his name, follow him home or even infringe upon his time, therefore the OP did nothing wrong by not going immediately home, even if he did so with the full knowledge he was leading the old man on. The old man chose to follow him on his own volition, not only doing so but doing so with no right. If the man was that offended the OP walked on a roped off piece of land, the old man could/should have contacted the police to let them handle it. He had no authority to act as an enforcer of rules/laws.
As an aside a somewhat similar thing happend to me almost 19 years ago and I still remember it. I was 17 and had just moved to a new state. I was looking for the place to get a new driver's license when I passed by the building, uncertain where it was. I pulled into to the first available driveway to double back and immediately someone pulled in behind me. All I did was turn around in the parking lot, must have taken all of 10 seconds and the person who pulled in behind me drove straight at me and blocked me from getting out of the lot. Turns out I was in an Elks Club parking lot, and the old man in front of me rolled down the window and asked what I was doing there. My business is my own and no concern of his. Again, it takes 10 seconds to do a u-turn in an empty parking lot. Well there was no doubt I was being targeted b/c I was a teenager but he had no right to interfere with me or take any of my time, even if it was just a few seconds. I backed up so I could drive around him, told him to go F himself, and went about the rest of my day. Had he not been a jerk to me he would have gotten a different response, but because he couldn't do it in a non-confrontational way, he was not deserving of my time or courtesy or an explanation for that matter.
And BTW, just to give an example of the type of person I am, I've volunteered at an animal shelter, cleaned up part of a highway as part of an adopt-a-road campaign, built a Habitat for Humanity home, and raised over 5 tons of food for a local food shelter (the latter three done when I WAS a teenager), so I'm NOT an anti-authority type of person who makes a habit of being disrespectful. I'll put my morals/ethics/civic-mindedness against anyone's.
Why I didn't do other things?
I suppose I could have called the police and wasted their time with this, I'm sure they had better things to do than to deal with a guy who walked over a roped of area and some old man who got pissed off about it.
I offered to go with him to the managers office, but she wasn't there - which I stated already, so I didn't do that.
I could have told him my name and address, but why the hell would I give it to some random old guy, who I know nothing about, who has no right to know these things in the first place, who is yelling and cussing at me?
So the idea to walk around until he got tired of following made it's way in my head and I just went with that. That's it.
I'm not shifting blame to him because he smokes. I don't have to shift any blame at all.
I didn't make him follow me, that was his decision, there is no one to blame for that, but him.
It's like blaming McDonald's for making people fat. McDonald's doesn't make people choose to eat at their restaurants nor does McDonald's tell people what to eat. The individual chooses to eat there and chooses what to eat.
About the only thing I can be blamed for is walking in the roped of area, which I admit to. Everything else that transpired isn't my fault.
Sure the action I took made him angry, but it wasn't my intention to make him angry. He got mad on his own and let his emotions dictate his actions.
I'm not sure, I could guess - but unless it happens again, I dunno what I'll do. If I had to do this over again, I'd probably do the same thing.
In any case I'll probably go and try and bury the hatchet with the guy tomorrow. So I'll update and let you all know how that turns out.
I'm not sure why you think I'm culpable in the first place.
As someone who spent 8 months in a gated community, I cannot stress enough how immature and asinine that is. If you're going to act like a five year old, please do it in a way as to NOT waste the police's and everyone elses time. Seriously.
Says the guy who attacks people he doesn't know up for appearing in his community.
Yes, yes, we all know calling the police would have been a waste of your time. After all, if you were the guy being tailgated, I'm fairly sure you would have said something along the lines of "I jumped of my car, beat the tailgater thanks to my [insert number of years] [insert martial art], had a good night."
Sorry, I'm not an ITG.
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If someone is tailgating me to get into my gated community, it means they
A. Probably forgot the code/didn't have the remote on them.
B. Were visiting someone in the gated community.
edit- yes, it has happened before. I also had to tailgate to get into my own community once or twice for the first month.
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First of all, thank you. This is some of the funniest **** I've read in a long time.
Secondly, ignore your naysayers here. They, like the old man, need to lighten up a bit. You hopped a *****ing rope. To demand your name is simply absurd. He was never in any danger and stopped following you when he'd had enough.
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You didn't do anything wrong.
I mean, we are after all talking about an old man that got so upset about someone walking over a fenced off area that he decided to curse at him, drag him to the managers office, then follow him around for 15 minutes all without any real cause.
To be honest if I met someone who took that attitude with me even after I had dutifully followed him to the managers office to resolve the issue I would have most likely lodged a complaint. I mean from what it sounds like (and I could be wrong) you are a paying tenant at that complex and he is an employee of said complex? I know I would react pretty poorly if the staff member of my complex did something similar over something so silly.
Edit: If he is not an employee of the complex then it still doesn't make it all right for him to take such an attitude with a complete stranger or take it upon himself to follow you around to report your information to the management.
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We talked for a bit and he said it was all good, we shook hands and that's it.
Kind've funny that you two had a civil conversation after that.
I don't think he really expected me to walk up out of the blue and apologize either, but yeah.
I basically just said "Hey, you know I want to apologize to you. I know you guys work hard here and for me to disrespect that and walk over an area I know you worked hard on, that was wrong of me, so I sincerely apologize for that. I just didn't really think about it."
Then we talked a bit more, he was like "Yeah we've been having problems with people walking through those areas and so I appreciate the apology, it's all good man".
Says the guy that attacks somebody he doesn't know over the internet for stating his opinion on a scenario that doesn't affect anyone's lives in any meaningful way. If somebody came up to you with a knife in a confrontational manner, what would you do? Sit there apologizing to him while he stabs you over and over? I guess that's Darwinism at it's finest.
@OP: Funny stuff. He has no right to follow you around, and anything that may have happened to him (heart attack, fell down the stairs, got struck by lightning) would not be your fault, at all. It was his decision to follow you around for no reason, and you are completely within your right to walk around aimlessly, or is that against the law now? You were not doing anything to the "poor old man" (who seems like he was abrasive and rude), he was the one doing something rude and unpleasant unto you.
@Gated Communites and tailgating in: If you have ever lived in a gated community you know that every day there are many, many people tailgating in. Contractors, friends visiting, solicitors,delivery guys, you name it. I have tailgated into my own gated community many times. It is very commonplace.
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Most people here find themselves trying to be noble or do the right thing. Why cause a bigger hassle? The old man made his choices same as OP. His ended with him wheezing and pissed and probably in his lazyboy for a good long nap. No harm done.
As far as fated commnities go, tailgating = wrong. Perhaps asking someone who is about to enter if they know the people at (address) before they open the gate could start a dialogue that could end with the right people letting you in. Never underestimate the power of a good conversation unless the person you are dealing with is foaming like a raving lunatic.
1) When did I do this? When I said I'd call 911?
2) That's what I also did.
And yet, here we are. Who's attacking who again? As I've pointed out, I'm not the one frothing in the mouth here. I said I would have called 911 on someone who did (which, according you, counts as "attacking somebody"), pointed out that RivalTuna HAS DONE MUCH WORSE to unknown people inside his community (rather than calling the police, he [claimed to] beat them up), and yet, here you are.
Run away screaming like a girl and, as I've said, called the police. Probably make enough a racket to convince everyone in the vacinity to call the police because a pig is being gutted or something.
I supposed you, like RivalTuna, would have disarmed him and have him in a headlock, maybe even killed him because no jury on earth would have convicted you, but I'm haven't practiced kravmaga/MMA/whatever for the last decade so I can't do something like that.
I've already addressed this. If you're the type who let people in a gated community without who they are because, as one posted put, "you don't give a ****", then there's nothing more to be said.
Why is it that nearly everyone who would have "let a tailgater in" so belligerent rather than discussing something calmly? Seriously, look at their posts. All of them seem to suffer from roid rage or testosterone overdose.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Uh, in this thread - in the quote he quoted you on. You mocked Rivaltuna for expressing his opinion on tailgating in gated communities, which I'm guessing you did because you wanted to discredit him.
You mean right after being called asinine and acting like a 5 year old?
Yes, I did, because I found it funny that the person telling me that I'm acting like a 5 year old for calling the police over someone I won't let into a gated communty is perfectly fine beating the crap out of them instead.
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Can't tell if 9,000 post troll or thinks this is debate forums so logical fallacies are a go.
That is straw man, no one is arguing like that, you are twisting words. I quote this post not to talk to you but to point that out to anyone reading this thread.
Thanks for lightening up my day!
There will always be critics, back seat drivers, and arm chair quarter backs. What you did was funny and clever. I bet that man had a laugh about it when he had a moment to relax. Of course he would never admit that to you or anyone.
I had a guy road rage on me a few days ago. This guy was in his 50s. He actually grabbed the driver side window of my car and started to shake it. I opened my door and stood between my car and him. I pointed at his car and said "Get back in your car" He started flapping his arms and yelling. I ask him to get back into his car again. He doesn't, actually chest bumps me. I step forward, he steps back a couple steps. I say to you him "You're a fool." He says "You're damn right!" At this time the traffic light had turned, there were cars lined up behind us. At first I don't see a license plate on his car, then I notice he has one of those dealer plates that hang out of the truck but its lying flat face up on his bumper. I take out my phone, I take a picture of his license plate, but since its one of those dealer plates, I have little faith it will found belonging to him. Then I take a picture of him. I dial 911, I get back into my car and wind the window up. He's staring at me just outside my driver's side door. I'm not afraid, just calm and assertive. I show him 911 on the screen of my phone while its dialing. A voice comes onto the line. I tell the operator that there is a man outside my window who is road raging and pushed me. That he's refusing to move his car and theres a line of traffic behind. After a good minute he gets back into his car and starts to move it. I tell police whats going on. He drives away. The police ask me to come in to file a report.
This guy was a nut or having a really bad day and ultimately my point is that no one got hurt and everyone got to go home. Thats the same resolve as the OP's story. You kept your witts up, stayed ahead by a move. That guy didn't follow you because you stepped over the tape. He followed you because he was either a nut or a guy having a bad day. He chose to keep following you for so long because of the kind of person he is. He's stubborn and didn't want to quit. I can also guarantee you that this is not the first time he's used the "I'm going to follow you home" gimmick.
Its hilarious, it really is.
1) You are clearly mocking him for defending himself in a serious incident that could have ended in severe injury.
2) Stating your opinion is one thing, making fun of somebody else over the internet, insinuating that they would beat people up unprovoked for no real reason is just rude and frankly, not nice.
There's a difference between saying: "I would have just called the police, and that's what you should have done." and "You think you are above the law, you would just beat them up for no reason. Now I'm going to mock you for a different thread you made.". If you read the thread, he was confronted with a guy who had a knife, calling the police doesn't help when it takes them 5 minutes to arrive and you are in a bad situation RIGHT NOW. You think somebody that wants to hurt you will just say: "Oh you called the cops? I'll wait to stab you until they get here." He didn't even claim to beat them up, he got rid of the threat then ran away. Get your facts straight.
And if he runs after you and stabs you? Both courses of action can get you killed or save your life, it's fight or flight. You have a small window to choose what to do. I don't know what I'd do in that situation because I have never encountered anything like that, but insinuating that I, or RivalTuna would have killed him for the sole reason that "no jury would convict us" is just mean and uncalled for.
I was just pointing out that in many gated communities it is commonplace. Where did you get that I "don't give a ***?". I never said that, or anything like that. I said that it happens all the time and I don't think it's an issue. If people want to get in, they will find a way in. You're putting me into this group of bad people who would let people into a gated community. I'm not a bad person because I would let people in. I have faith in people and believe that people that would be tailgating in have a good reason to do so. Just because I am not paranoid doesn't mean I am a substandard human being that deserves to be placed into this stereotype.
Again with this whole thing of putting people that don't agree with you below you, and then assuming you know things about them that don't make any sense. Saying that "we" are doing steroids is again, just rude and mean.
The point I'm making is that you come across as a mean person. Please consider what you say before you say it.
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